May 2003 - Orb - mailman.xmission.com

OT OT Religious fundamentalism v. life on earth
by Alan 06 May '03

06 May '03

Full story: http://www.alternet.org/story.html?StoryID=15814 In his book "The Carbon Wars," Greenpeace activist Jeremy Leggett tells how he stumbled upon this otherworldly agenda. During the Kyoto climate change negotiations, Leggett candidly asked Ford Motor Company executive John Schiller how opponents of the pact could believe there is no problem with "a world of a billion cars intent on burning all the oil and gas available on the planet?" The executive asserted first that scientists get it wrong when they say fossil fuels have been sequestered underground for eons. The Earth, he said, is just 10,000, not 4.5 billion years old, the age widely accepted by scientists. Then Schiller confidently declared, "You know, the more I look, the more it is just as it says in the Bible." The Book of Daniel, he told Leggett, predicts that increased earthly devastation will mark the "End Time" and return of Christ. Paradoxically, Leggett notes, many fundamentalists see dying coral reefs, melting ice caps and other environmental destruction not as an urgent call to action, but as God's will. In the religious right worldview, the wreck of the Earth can be seen as Good News! Some true believers, interpreting biblical prophecy, are sure they will be saved from the horrific destruction brought by ecosystem collapse. They'll be raptured: rescued from Earth by God, who will then rain down seven ghastly years of misery on unbelieving humanity. Jesus' return will mark the Millennium, when the Lord restores the Earth to its green pristine condition, and the faithful enjoy a thousand years of peace and prosperity. www.psychicreform.com Money does not equal speech. Corporations are not people. Watch your overcoat. "Dissent is what rescues democracy from a slow death behind closed doors." -Lewis H. Lapham

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Re: [Orb] thrash outrage palestinian situation
by Bbbrooo＠aol.com 06 May '03

06 May '03

I object to what mr "I know god personally and he is going to kick your ass" ritchie, says: no schoolgirl I know would like to be compared to thrash! Anyway, based on historical evidence your predictions might be correct if a virus or the like is involved, but you stated that intelligence is also an evolutionary factor. Although there are always localized exceptions I find it very hard to believe that the human race would knowingly totally wipe itself out. We are the first species that is aware of evolution and as such we are the first species intelligent enough to alter things to preserve ourselves. What you imply is that we have no self determination and therefore we might as well resort to anarchy until it happens. This would only speed up your suggested "implosion". I for one feel that efforts should be made to prevent conflict and educate and maybe we can guide evolution itself. If you are right you should lighten up more and make the most of what's left of your meaningless, insignificant life.

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Hello again!
by Noraa Selim 06 May '03

06 May '03

Hey Smiley! Just wanted to unlurk enough to say hi and thank you for never loosing the vision of this list. I've gotten so damn sick of the way things have been turning out recently (Politics n stuff) and just wanted to say that you and Rachel are the only two listees I read from anymore. Your input is the only thing that keeps this list in working order and without it would crumble like a house of cards. -peace out Aaron Miles _____________________________________________________________ Get email for your site ---> http://www.everyone.net _____________________________________________________________ Select your own custom email address for FREE! Get you(a)yourchoice.com w/No Ads, 6MB, POP & more! http://www.everyone.net/selectmail?campaign=tag

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Re: [Orb] OT liberal whingers [sic]
by Ben May 05 May '03

05 May '03

>ok ma friend but mind yee; >everything you write tells more about You >and less about what u saying :o) > Huh? I am baffled by that statement LOL ------------------------------------------- 'No one pretends that democracy is perfect or all wise. It has been said that democracy is the worst form of government, except for all the others that have been tried from time to time.' - Winston Churchill, 1947. 'The only cure for the ills of democracy is more democracy.' - Al Smith 'Neither a man nor a crowd nor a nation can be trusted to act humanely, or to think sanely, under the influence of a great fear. ' - Bertrand Russell "Reason and free inquiry are the effectual agents against error. They are the natural enemies of error and error only." --Thomas Jefferson _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail

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Fuji Rock Festival 2003
by Smiley 05 May '03

05 May '03

hi folks. with thanks to Kiyotaka "pinky" Tanaka - my japanese informant. ;-) the first bit we knew, but the 2nd and 3rd points are new... ***** The Orb's new album Bicycles & Trycicles will be released 11th June, and the new single From a Distance seems to be released in this summer. The Orb will play live in Fuji Rock Festival !! Please check these (All Japanese sorry!) http://www.fujirockfestival.com/new/new14.asp http://www.v2records.co.jp/news/index.html ***** also - check out his web site, with a almost comprehensive set of scans of all releases / remixes. http://www.geocities.jp/pinkytanaka/page006.html cheers, --- Smiley

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Re: [Orb] OT liberal whingers [sic]
by m q 05 May '03

05 May '03

> >the problem with this fucking list is that you are all a bunch of weak > >liberal > >jerks- EVOLUTION rules in this world- whether you like it or not strength > >and > >intelligence wins I tried to reply to this before but was denied by the 2k limit :) Anyways, I just wanted to add that it would be PURE fallacy to assume that evolutionary processes in humans are still selecting for strength and intelligence. Q: What is the metric of evolutionary success? A: Number of children born of your loins. Smart people statistically have far FEWER children than the uneducated masses. Look at where the highest birth rates are. Places like western pakistan, rural mexico, and poor parts of india. I dont think that those people are any smarter or stronger than the rest of us. Social darwinism was discarded as a socio-economic model years ago, my friends. :) ------------------------------------------- 'No one pretends that democracy is perfect or all wise. It has been said that democracy is the worst form of government, except for all the others that have been tried from time to time.' - Winston Churchill, 1947. 'The only cure for the ills of democracy is more democracy.' - Al Smith 'Neither a man nor a crowd nor a nation can be trusted to act humanely, or to think sanely, under the influence of a great fear. ' - Bertrand Russell "Reason and free inquiry are the effectual agents against error. They are the natural enemies of error and error only." --Thomas Jefferson _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus

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Re: [Orb] thrash outrage palestinian situation
by m q 05 May '03

05 May '03

Yeah who the hell wrote that original message? I dont think I recieved it, and I didnt see anyone quote the original in full... ------------------------------------------- 'No one pretends that democracy is perfect or all wise. It has been said that democracy is the worst form of government, except for all the others that have been tried from time to time.' - Winston Churchill, 1947. 'The only cure for the ills of democracy is more democracy.' - Al Smith 'Neither a man nor a crowd nor a nation can be trusted to act humanely, or to think sanely, under the influence of a great fear. ' - Bertrand Russell "Reason and free inquiry are the effectual agents against error. They are the natural enemies of error and error only." --Thomas Jefferson _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail

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OT liberal whingers [sic]
by Alan 05 May '03

05 May '03

>the problem with this fucking list is that you are all a bunch of weak >liberal >jerks- EVOLUTION rules in this world- whether you like it or not strength >and >intelligence wins It kind of sounds like a fundamentalist Christian view of the world you're espousing there, boy-o. Just change "EVOLUTION" to "Jesus"... Evolution is all well and fine but you need to understand that if we and all our little-uns are gonna survive we need the rest of the world and stuff. Air, water, lack of explosions. Evolution is not a simple process. If it were there would be one plant and one animal left. DEVOLVE!!! Are we not men? We are Devo. On the flip side of this I'm constantly reminded of the drastic level of overpopulation the earth faces from us human types. The most effective form of birth control is improved economic and educational conditions for all the poor people. That would mean that the ultra-wealthy would be not quite so ultra-wealthy, though. We can just hope that SARS or AIDS or some other abbreviated horror disease will wipe a bunch of us out. >any arguments and I will drive all >you >weak minded dodo's off this fucking list-got it-now get back to the music Eh. Throwing poopoo at people is a mark of where you stand on the evolutionary scale: Somewhere down there with the chimps. He was a mongoloid he was a mongoloid One chromosone too many Mongoloid he was a mongoloid And it determined what he could see And he wore a hat and he had a job and he brought home the bacon so that no one knew! www.psychicreform.com Money does not equal speech. Corporations are not people. Watch your overcoat. "Dissent is what rescues democracy from a slow death behind closed doors." -Lewis H. Lapham

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Re: [Orb] OT - any JW on this list??
by m q 05 May '03

05 May '03

I may be ignorant, but what the heck is a JW? ------------------------------------------- 'No one pretends that democracy is perfect or all wise. It has been said that democracy is the worst form of government, except for all the others that have been tried from time to time.' - Winston Churchill, 1947. 'The only cure for the ills of democracy is more democracy.' - Al Smith 'Neither a man nor a crowd nor a nation can be trusted to act humanely, or to think sanely, under the influence of a great fear. ' - Bertrand Russell "Reason and free inquiry are the effectual agents against error. They are the natural enemies of error and error only." --Thomas Jefferson _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail

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Re: [Orb] traceroute results
by Bbbrooo＠aol.com 05 May '03

05 May '03

Nov 83: secretary of state (& former Bechtel president) Shutz receives reports of daily chemical weapon use in Iraq. Dec 83: Special Envoy Donald Rumsfeld meets Sadam to discuss possible oil pipeline from Iraq to Jordan (to be constructed by Bechtel). US eventually condemns Iraqs use of WMD, but pipeline talks continue behind scenes until 1985, when deal falls apart because Saddam feels Bectel are overpricing it("Whats the world coming to when you can't trust a politically connected multinational contractor to cut an honest backroom deal with a totalitarian dictator!"). 1988: Bectel secures a contract to build a huge Chemical Plant ("I'm sure he will use this for good and not evil") - Stopped by Iraq's invasion of Kuwait. April 2003: Donald Rumsfeld is Secretary of Defense, Saddam is history, Shultz is a board member of Bechtel - now awarded $680 MILLION Iraq reconstruction contract! "= So you see, kids - Good things do come to those who wait! Who says there's no such thing as a happy ending?" Tom Tomorrow. www.tompaine.com/feature.cfm/ID/7577 & www.ips-dc.org

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