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Re: M_Boats: Fwd: Tender
by Gary Oberbeck 30 Nov '18

30 Nov '18

That Kelch guy is fairly sharp! He has more good ideas up his sleeve - and is the man behind the curtain for an event coming up in February. He has been doing this stuff for a couple 'weeks'. The cat is outta the bag Doug! -----Original Message----- From: Alex Conley <conley.alex(a)gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Fri, Nov 30, 2018 4:49 pm Subject: Re: M_Boats: Fwd: Tender I’m loving this list- I never would have thought of a funnel on the painter on my own, but it makes perfect sense! On Fri, Nov 30, 2018 at 3:39 PM Douglas Kelch <doug1kelch(a)gmail.com> wrote: > I used a 15' 6" Bolger Light Dory behind my M15 for a 2 week cruise in > Maine and for some shorter cruises on the Cheasapeake Bay. It actually > worked quite well. I used a floating poly line for towing with a 7 inch > funnel about four feet in front of the Dory. A stopper knot on both sides > of the funnel so when under tow the skinny part pointed in the direction of > travel. When the Dory started surfing and catching up with the M15 the tow > line would go slack and the funnel would invert so the wide mouth was in > the direction of travel. In 18 kt following seas the Dory was held up by > the funnel and did not broach. > > We got a lot of use out of it in Maine. > > Thanks > > Doug Kelch > Former M15 "Seas the Day" > > On Fri, Nov 30, 2018 at 4:23 PM Alex Conley <conley.alex(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > ---------- Forwarded message --------- > > From: Alex Conley <conley.alex(a)gmail.com> > > Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2018 at 3:22 PM > > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Tender > > To: Gary Oberbeck <gilasailr(a)aol.com>, For and about Montgomery > Sailboats > > < > > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > > > > > > Hmm- I’m not a big fan of inflatables, but for a boat the size of an m15 > a > > good canoe paddle can serve as emergency propulsion in the situation > Connie > > describes. > > > > The better of the inflatable paddle boards now about might be > surprisingly > > effective as a tender in many cases (even if used sitting or kneeling) > and > > be smaller when deflated and quicker to inflate... the wide recreational > > ones do surprisingly well w two adults. Maybe with a dry bag or plastic > bin > > to transport gear n supplies? > > > > I laugh at the idea of my 15’ cruiser towing my 13.5’ sailing canoe > > (Ougtred’s McGregor design) but I may just have to try it. Anyone have > > experience towing a long skinny boat like that? Or is it just asking to > > trip up on waves and swamp? > > > > Curious to hear others tender tales! > > > > Alex > > On Fri, Nov 30, 2018 at 3:08 PM Gary Oberbeck via montgomery_boats < > > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> wrote: > > > > > Connie > > > I agree on the aspect of the dinghy availability and on the emergency > and > > > everyday use of an inflatable - PIA ! ' just a minute while I pump > 400+ > > > liters into this big condom ----errrr where's the dam* pump!?!?!' > > > The issue on the M-15 is of course storage or a small boat towing any > > size > > > dinghy, Larry Yake has used a rigid kayak and others seem to have good > > > experience with inflatables. > > > I am lucky and sail a M-17 with a M 7-11 (getting refurbbed for the > > > grandkids) if and when I need a dinghy - pretty good rowing boat, > stable, > > > good sailer and perfect for teaching the young ones. > > > > > > The only inflatable I have ever had fun with was a Zodiac Grand Raid > 15+ > > > foot with a tiller steer 40hp Evinrude - my father saw them at a trade > > show > > > and took on the line - got the GR for himself as a demo and we kept it > > > inflated on a custom trailer indoors - 2nd fastest acceleration I have > > ever > > > experienced on water! We used to chase the blown V8 flat bottoms around > > and > > > absolutely humble them with our 'machinery grey weiner boat' ! The > bikini > > > clad ladies loved it! > > > One day I'll tell you how I got THE perfect set of oars for the 7-11 - > > > great story! 7' Shaw & Tenney's in spruce. > > > > > > Keep your helpful comments and experiences coming to the list - we all > > > look forward to them! > > > Take Care, Have fUn, Go sailing! > > > GO > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Conbert Benneck <chbenneck(a)gmail.com> > > > To: Gary Oberbeck via montgomery_boats < > > > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > > > Sent: Fri, Nov 30, 2018 1:42 pm > > > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Tender > > > > > > Hi Gary, > > > > > > I am totally against anything that is inflatable - or that has to be > > > inflated first before it can be used in a case of emergency. > > > > > > My experience: We were going from Rotterdam to Paris via inland > > > waterways. Our Norwegian power boat was brand new. In the Dutch canal > > > we were in, with a bow to stern stream of loaded barges going in both > > > directions our boat suddenly stopped moving and ended up crosswise in > > > the canal blocking traffic in both directions. Our diesel engine was > > > running but the propeller wasn't turning. Now what.....? > > > > > > I jumped into my hard 9' Dutch dinghy, tied a painter to the motor boat > > > got out the dinghy's oars and rowed like mad to get to the side of the > > > canal and let traffic flow again. > > > > > > For my prompt action in getting the commercial traffic moving , I > > > received some friendly toots from the barge Captains that had seen what > > > had happened. > > > > > > I called the SABB engine dealer in Rotterdam and explained the problem. > > > An hour later he was there; toolbox in hand; inspected the engine and > > > found that a set screw had loosened disconnecting the propeller shaft > > > from the engine. After tightening the set screw, and safety-wiring it > in > > > place, we continued on our trip with nary a problem during the time we > > > owned the boat. > > > > > > In such a situation do you really want to inflate your dinghy before it > > > can be used? I don't. I want a hard dinghy that is instantly usable > if > > > I loose something overboard; or to row out a second anchor at 2 AM when > > > it is blowing 20 knots. > > > > > > Connie > > > > > > > > > On 11/30/2018 1:19 PM, Gary Oberbeck via montgomery_boats wrote: > > > > I would look for a clean used M-5-8* . Had one we used way back in > the > > > day - oars and a 2 horse -(2 hp not my idea). You are cruising right?? > > {;>) > > > > *titanium hens teeth are about as plentiful! Some boats use > > > inflatable kayaks with good reports. > > > > Take Care, Have fUn, Go Sailing! Come on down to Lake > > > Pleasant in Feb. - there is a fleet of 15's scheduled to show up!GO > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Rusty Knorr via montgomery_boats < > > > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > > > > To: montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > > > > Sent: Thu, Nov 29, 2018 7:17 pm > > > > Subject: M_Boats: Tender > > > > > > > > Just curious what the M-15 sailors here are using for a tender. In > > Puget > > > Sound your really need one because anchorages are rugged and rocky and > > > beaching is a challenge or impossible. Please share your thoughts, > > > experiences, opinions, etc. M-17’s need not apply! (Unless you also > have > > an > > > M-15. 😜) > > > > > > > > Rusty > > > > > > > > www.rustyknorr.weebly.com > > > > > >

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Roller
by doug 29 Nov '18

29 Nov '18

What have you used for beaching a M15? What type of roller or cushion to protect from small rocks in the shallow water when beaching. I see West Marine has a roller but its inflatable and I don’t see that working. Actually theirs is for the beach sand. This one has to sink and stay on the bottom so the boat rolls up over it as it moves towards the shore in shallow water, less than one foot. Thanks. I was wondering about PVC, like 4” PVC but it seems that it would have to be covered in something so the boat would not slide off of it as it rolled forward. Maybe a carpeted 4”x4’ PVC tube would work. Got any ideas.

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Re: M_Boats: Lake Pleasant AZ Winter Messabout ( replacing WrinkleBoat Ran Tan for 2019)
by Gary Oberbeck 29 Nov '18

29 Nov '18

Doug, Sorry for the sarcasm there. There are trees around the lake - people from other parts of the country call them 'large shrubs', there are also sunken remains of some gnarly tough trees that eat anchors on occasion! There are also saguaro cactus, creosote, and other beautiful plants!You will be fine anchoring out and kayaking to shore if we don't have a nice sandy beach.I hope to have a 7-11 'going' by then that could serve as a shuttle dinghy for those that do not have adequate back-up. I may even sail the little bugger!Take a look at the photos in the link below for Lake Pleasant - they are for 'advertising means' typically showing conditions at 'high water' - we may expect good water levels based on data that will a bit lower than those shown, but should be good. https://www. maricopacountyparks.net/lake- pleasant-regional-park-lp/ We will have a good idea as to the exact location in January or even late December. A quality location shoreside is our goal! Keep the questions coming - if we don't have the answer.....we will make one up! {;>) GO -----Original Message----- From: doug <doug9326(a)gmail.com> To: Gary Oberbeck <gilasailr(a)aol.com>; For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Thu, Nov 29, 2018 9:04 am Subject: Re: M_Boats: Lake Pleasant AZ Winter Messabout ( replacing WrinkleBoat Ran Tan for 2019) That would be helpful. Or just say, ‘there are no trees to anchor to’. That works. I just want my boat to be safe with those rocks around. I use an inflatable kayak as my dinghy and can anchor out a bit and still get to shore without swimming. On Nov 29, 2018, at 5:29 AM, Gary Oberbeck via montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> wrote: I'll take it's picture the next time I go to the Lake! -----Original Message----- From: doug <doug9326(a)gmail.com> To: Gary Oberbeck <gilasailr(a)aol.com>; For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Tue, Nov 27, 2018 1:11 pm Subject: Re: M_Boats: Lake Pleasant AZ Winter Messabout ( replacing WrinkleBoat Ran Tan for 2019) Thats funny. How about a sand anchor, dirt anchor. How far is that closest tree??? On Nov 27, 2018, at 11:51 AM, Gary Oberbeck via montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> wrote: Which tree?? -----Original Message----- From: jerry <jerry(a)jerrymontgomery.org> To: PHILIP MCCOWIN <pmcc_imagen(a)mac.com>; For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Tue, Nov 27, 2018 12:45 pm Subject: Re: M_Boats: Lake Pleasant AZ Winter Messabout ( replacing WrinkleBoat Ran Tan for 2019) And we're going to have a fishing contest, and if successful, eat some fish. Dynamite is not allowed unless you bring a chainsaw to get the fish out of the trees. Be good to see you there, Phil. -----Original Message----- From: PHILIP MCCOWIN via montgomery_boats Sent: Friday, November 16, 2018 3:59 PM To: Gary Oberbeck ; For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Lake Pleasant AZ Winter Messabout ( replacing WrinkleBoat Ran Tan for 2019) Hi Gary, Not involved with the Leukemia Cup Debacle? So, sailing for fun instead? Sounds Good, maybe the Long Steps will be ready! Phil On Nov 16, 2018, at 4:46 PM, Gary Oberbeck via montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> wrote: Lake Pleasant, AZ Winter Messabout

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Re: M_Boats: Lake Pleasant AZ Winter Messabout ( replacing WrinkleBoat Ran Tan for 2019)
by Gary Oberbeck 29 Nov '18

29 Nov '18

Which tree?? -----Original Message----- From: jerry <jerry(a)jerrymontgomery.org> To: PHILIP MCCOWIN <pmcc_imagen(a)mac.com>; For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Tue, Nov 27, 2018 12:45 pm Subject: Re: M_Boats: Lake Pleasant AZ Winter Messabout ( replacing WrinkleBoat Ran Tan for 2019) And we're going to have a fishing contest, and if successful, eat some fish. Dynamite is not allowed unless you bring a chainsaw to get the fish out of the trees. Be good to see you there, Phil. -----Original Message----- From: PHILIP MCCOWIN via montgomery_boats Sent: Friday, November 16, 2018 3:59 PM To: Gary Oberbeck ; For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Lake Pleasant AZ Winter Messabout ( replacing WrinkleBoat Ran Tan for 2019) Hi Gary, Not involved with the Leukemia Cup Debacle? So, sailing for fun instead? Sounds Good, maybe the Long Steps will be ready! Phil > On Nov 16, 2018, at 4:46 PM, Gary Oberbeck via montgomery_boats > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> wrote: > > Lake Pleasant, AZ Winter Messabout

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Lake Pleasant AZ Winter Messabout ( replacing WrinkleBoat Ran Tan for 2019)
by Gary Oberbeck 27 Nov '18

27 Nov '18

Lake Pleasant, AZ Winter Messabout February 15 Thru February 17 Any and all small sail powered craft are welcome – Potter, Montogomery, Sage, Compact, Welsford designs, Oughtred designs, CLC designs, self designed, ect – basically every one! Average daytime highs are 70 degrees and lows of around 48, lots of Sunshine. Come and enjoy the camaraderie of fellow small boaters and plenty of sunshine. Camping on the shore with room for tents and RVs but no water or electricity. Non-primitive camping available about 5 miles away and hotels/Motels are about 12 miles away. Scorpion Bay Marina and Pleasant Harbor Marina are about 3 miles away by water. Group campfires at night.Brats on the Beach (no sandy beaches at Lake Pleasant)Bragging rights for event winners! Lots of on the water activities in a protected area with: - possible 8 mile RAID event with remote desert camping - possible 5 or 10 mile long distance race(s) following same general course as the RAID but finish is back at the start. - rowing/paddling events - exploring events - just messing about. - "Itinerary" to follow. Location is dependent on water level, but is likely to be in a deep narrow creek with little swing room so large boats need to be aware (unless they have a dinghy?) Best if the bow of your boat can be pulled up on a gravelly shore with stern anchor (deep water little scope) or pull the boat on shore. (roller or pad for hull protection is a good idea) RSVP with interests/questions to GILASAILR(a)aol.com Fees:No messabout fees except for Brats on the Beach Park Fees - Daily access $7 - Daily non motorized boat - $2 - Primitive camping fee - $15 - link to the lake map http://www.mobilemaplets.com/thumbnails/953_thumbnail-1024.jpg - link to the Park https://www.maricopacountyparks.net/lake-pleasant-regional-park-lp/ Links for marinas-https://www.scorpionbayaz.com/ https://pleasantharbor.com/

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Re: M_Boats: Roller
by Doug 27 Nov '18

27 Nov '18

A rake is a great idea. I have a boarding ladder but don't want to swim to shore. I will bring my kayak as a dinghy. Maybe do a Mediterranean tie. How far is the spot from Lake Pleasant marina and RV resort?? On Nov 26, 2018 at 11:47 PM, <Gary Oberbeck via montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com>> wrote: Doug, I think your PVC roller is a good idea - fill it with rocks tie lanyard at each end cap - cross fingers. 4x4 with carpet - depends on the shore configuration - We will scout the area 1 week before or so and let everyone know. Or anchor - let stern come to shore and use waders or boarding ladder or..... never really tried it with a boat of M-15 size - the rocks here can be sharp (most of them are) - I will bring a rake to clear a spot. I will probably bring my 7-11 and dinghy in from the M-17? -----Original Message----- From: doug <doug9326(a)gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Tue, Nov 27, 2018 12:08 am Subject: M_Boats: Roller What have you used for beaching a M15? What type of roller or cushion to protect from small rocks in the shallow water when beaching. I see West Marine has a roller but its inflatable and I don’t see that working. Actually theirs is for the beach sand. This one has to sink and stay on the bottom so the boat rolls up over it as it moves towards the shore in shallow water, less than one foot. Thanks. I was wondering about PVC, like 4” PVC but it seems that it would have to be covered in something so the boat would not slide off of it as it rolled forward. Maybe a carpeted 4”x4’ PVC tube would work. Got any ideas.

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Re: M_Boats: Flathead Lake, MO.
by Doug 26 Nov '18

26 Nov '18

Good to hear this info. Thanks. All lakes here in Central Oregon where I live and sail can get vicious windy. It even snowed hard on me last August!! I usually don't sail too far in a day. More fun to just explore a small area and check out the shallows along the shore. Sometimes fishing is in order too. On Nov 26, 2018 at 8:47 AM, <bownez(a)juno.com> wrote: Hi Doug, I was out in Montana last July visiting friends in Whitefish. We circled around Flathead Lake by car, never got on the water unfortunately. we discovered a small marina in Dayton, at the SW side of the lake. They have a small yachtclub, dockspace was occupied by sailboats, powerboats, and houseboats. There was also a marina on the north side, by Somers. Flathead is a beautiful body of water, deep and cold like Tahoe. I would imagine gusts coming down from the elevations could be strong, making sailing challenging. I'd love to sail it. Go for it. Mr. Bones ____________________________________________________________ One Cup of This (Before Bed) Burns Belly Fat Like Crazy Celebrity Local http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/5bfc232f33196232f5b9fst04vuc

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Re: M_Boats: Flathead Lake, MO.
by bownez＠juno.com 26 Nov '18

26 Nov '18

Hi Doug, I was out in Montana last July visiting friends in Whitefish. We circled around Flathead Lake by car, never got on the water unfortunately. we discovered a small marina in Dayton, at the SW side of the lake. They have a small yachtclub, dockspace was occupied by sailboats, powerboats, and houseboats. There was also a marina on the north side, by Somers. Flathead is a beautiful body of water, deep and cold like Tahoe. I would imagine gusts coming down from the elevations could be strong, making sailing challenging. I'd love to sail it. Go for it. Mr. Bones ____________________________________________________________ One Cup of This (Before Bed) Burns Belly Fat Like Crazy Celebrity Local http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/5bfc232f33196232f5b9fst04vuc

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quick release pin?
by Peter Zimowsky 25 Nov '18

25 Nov '18

Hi: What is the size of the quick release pin in the forestay 1/4 in or larger? was going to order spares but forgot release pin at home Thanks Pete Winter Sky (Zimowsky) outdoors writer and photographer www.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com <http://www.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com/> Twitter: @zimosoutdoors "Be with Tahlequah" Tahlequah, you did this. From the day you lost your baby in the summer of 2018, then your 17-day tour of grief, you've brought the KEY crucial issues to the world to help us save your Orca family.

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Re: M_Boats: Flathead Lake
by Dave Scobie 25 Nov '18

25 Nov '18

Doug: Flathead's water level does fluctuate. The S17 at Bigfork was the owner's second boat that he used during lower water coming conditions when his larger boat couldn't be at the marina. :: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com On Sun, Nov 25, 2018, 1:34 PM doug <doug9326(a)gmail.com wrote: > Water depth in Central Oregon lakes was a real issue this past summer. > There were several ramps that were too shallow to launch effectively. And > some that shoal a bit away from the launch ramp which means re-trailering > your boat. Lakes were always better than reservoirs that let water out as > the summer progresses. > > > > > > >> On Nov 25, 2018, at 12:47 PM, Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > >> > >> Doug: > >> > >> Lots of RV camping around Flathead. > >> > >> I know of a couple launch ramps ... but haven't used them. One is in > >> Lakeside (upper northwest side of lake) called on Google 'flathead lake > >> boat ramp'. The second is near Bigfork (upper northeast side of lake) > >> called Eagle Bend Yacht Harbor. The latter is where a Sage 17 was > >> moored. In both cases check water level as as I've been told if lake > low > >> the ramps shallow quickly. > >> > >> I've been told, by two Sage 17 owners that keep their boats on Flathead, > >> the bottom is rocky and can be difficult to anchor. There are people > that > >> do - local knowledge thing. > >> > >> Summer wind usuall blow hard, at times very hard, in the northern end in > >> the morning and goes calm about noon and for the rest of the day. South > >> end is calm in the morning and increases to hard blows in the afternoon. > >> > >> Had three S17's sailing there a few.yeara ago - > >> > >> > https://sagemarineblog.wordpress.com/2016/05/18/sage-17s-seen-from-space/ > >> > >> > >> :: Dave Scobie > >> :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com > >> :: M6'8" #650 > >> :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com > >> > >> > >> On Sat, Nov 24, 2018, 8:53 PM doug <doug9326(a)gmail.com wrote: > >> > >>> My wife and I are wanting to head to Flathead Lk. in Montana this > summer > >>> for some sailing. I have a M15 and would trailer it there from Bend, > OR. > >>> I am looking for anyone who has info on the marinas or campgrounds with > >>> docks on the lake. I would like to leave the mast stepped for several > days > >>> and in a slip if possible. In looking at info on the lake there does > not > >>> appear to be a marina except in Finley. And its a small one. > >>> And if anyone is planning on heading that direction this summer, please > >>> let me know so we can do some sailing together. > >>> > >>> Thanks > > > >

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