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15M vs 17M
by Peter Zimowsky 12 Nov '18

12 Nov '18

Hi: I’ve been debating getting a bigger boat but I love my M15 for ease of stepping the mast, launching and sailing solo. The only thing I would like is a larger living space for cruising the San Juan Islands. So we’re talking about sailing solo in the M15 about 30 days at my home reservoir and then 7 days in the San Juans. Is it worth going to a larger boat for those seven days? And, is an M17 easy to handle solo? Thanks for the input. There’s always a debate among sailors about going to a larger boat. Good winds, Pete Winter Sky (Zimowsky) outdoors writer and photographer www.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com <http://www.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com/> Twitter: @zimosoutdoors "Be with Tahlequah" Talhequah, you did this. From the day you lost your baby in the summer of 2018, then your 17-day tour of grief, you've brought the KEY crucial issues to the world to help us save your Orca family.

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Re: M_Boats: '82 M15 centerboard stuck
by Dave Scobie 11 Nov '18

11 Nov '18

You need to figure out if it is the board of the keel ballast. Look at the keel. Is it uniform in shape Port and syarboat? Bulges? Signs of rust wearing? Is the centerboard uniform in shape? Bulges? Signs of weeping rust? Did the board go down easily? Has it been 'getting snug' over time? If no to these questions it is unlikely that it just rusting ballast as it isn't like the rust suddenly explands in hours. Sometimes things get into the truck and jam the board. Small sticks, tree bits and people's in the cockpit and then falling into the cockpit drain can casue the issue you describe. See the MSOGphotosite.com for descriptions of dropping the M15 centerboard - search 'centerboard'. :: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com On Sun, Nov 11, 2018, 11:43 AM matthew bowers <offeringgoddesses(a)gmail.com wrote: > Hi folks, > > I am looking for a used/new center board for a 1982 M15. I m not sure I > need one but the last sail it refused to retract so I had to force it in as > I pulled onto the trailer. Any advice on repair or where to obtain one > would be great. > > Thanks, > Matthew in NM >

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Re: M_Boats: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 189, Issue 4
by matthew bowers 11 Nov '18

11 Nov '18

Hi folks, I am looking for a used/new center board for a 1982 M15. I m not sure I need one but the last sail it refused to retract so I had to force it in as I pulled onto the trailer. Any advice on repair or where to obtain one would be great. Thanks, Matthew in NM > On Nov 11, 2018, at 12:00 PM, montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com wrote: > > Send montgomery_boats mailing list submissions to > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > montgomery_boats-owner(a)mailman.xmission.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of montgomery_boats digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. 15M vs 17M (Peter Zimowsky) > 2. Re: 15M vs 17M (John Schinnerer) > 3. Re: 15M vs 17M (Peter Zimowsky) > 4. Re: 15M vs 17M (Larry Yake) > 5. Re: 15M vs 17M (casioqv(a)usermail.com) > 6. Re: 15M vs 17M (Dave Scobie) > 7. Re: 15M vs 17M (Peter Zimowsky) > 8. Educational videos at UK Sails Ireland - some good ones! > (Gary Oberbeck) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2018 12:25:21 -0700 > From: Peter Zimowsky <rapidz(a)mac.com> > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Subject: M_Boats: 15M vs 17M > Message-ID: <1713C42E-FF87-419A-A0BB-F9977257C906(a)mac.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > Hi: > I?ve been debating getting a bigger boat but I love my M15 for ease of stepping the mast, launching and sailing solo. The only thing I would like is a larger living space for cruising the San Juan Islands. So we?re talking about sailing solo in the M15 about 30 days at my home reservoir and then 7 days in the San Juans. Is it worth going to a larger boat for those seven days? > And, is an M17 easy to handle solo? > Thanks for the input. There?s always a debate among sailors about going to a larger boat. > Good winds, > > > Pete Winter Sky > (Zimowsky) > > outdoors writer and photographer > www.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com <http://www.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com/> > Twitter: @zimosoutdoors > > > "Be with Tahlequah" > Talhequah, you did this. From the day you lost your baby in the summer of 2018, then your 17-day tour of grief, you've brought the KEY crucial issues to the world to help us save your Orca family. > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2018 12:07:46 -0800 > From: John Schinnerer <john(a)eco-living.net> > To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > Subject: Re: M_Boats: 15M vs 17M > Message-ID: <0bb023d9-da5d-02a2-6689-bcb7e473ec00(a)eco-living.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > > I find my M17 easy enough to handle solo, in most ways that come readily > to mind. > > It got even easier this past season (what little time I got in) with the > addition of a reefing furler for the jib, and main halyard led to cockpit. > > In terms of sailing solo, it's just a big heavy sloop-rig dinghy really > (that's a compliment Jerry :-) > And pretty nimble for its size & weight I'd say. > > I don't use it for day-sailing off the trailer on a regular basis, it's > more overhead to rig up and down than I usually want to spend on that. > But I could - it's not particularly complicated, just takes some time & > attention. The furler adds a bit to that, but then pays off big time on > the water in variable wind conditions. > > I've only seen an M15 rig up & down a time or two, but it seems to take > almost as long. > > I could imagine cruising solo on an M15 for a while. Not for long at all > with two people. > > If I already had an M15, and the balance of use you describe, I'd > probably stick with the M15. But if you were going to do significantly > more cruising...especially not solo - it might be worth switching. > > Some folks here cruise with two on an M15 repeatedly, so they can speak > to how that works for them. > > I'm 6' 3" tall so that is a factor. The M15 v-berth is actually a few > inches longer than the M17. But there's no space for anything but lying > down inside the cabin (for me anyhow). And I find the M15 cockpit a bit > knees-to-chin also. I appreciate the (relative) spaciousness of both the > cockpit and cabin on my M17. > > And, you can tow the M15 with most anything. You need at least one step > up from "most anything" in HP and brakes to tow an M17. > > Hope that helps...if you have more specific questions feel free to ask. > > cheers, > John > > > On 11/10/2018 11:25 AM, Peter Zimowsky via montgomery_boats wrote: >> Hi: >> I?ve been debating getting a bigger boat but I love my M15 for ease of stepping the mast, launching and sailing solo. The only thing I would like is a larger living space for cruising the San Juan Islands. So we?re talking about sailing solo in the M15 about 30 days at my home reservoir and then 7 days in the San Juans. Is it worth going to a larger boat for those seven days? >> And, is an M17 easy to handle solo? >> Thanks for the input. There?s always a debate among sailors about going to a larger boat. >> Good winds, >> >> >> Pete Winter Sky >> (Zimowsky) >> >> outdoors writer and photographer >> www.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com <http://www.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com/> >> Twitter: @zimosoutdoors >> >> >> "Be with Tahlequah" >> Talhequah, you did this. From the day you lost your baby in the summer of 2018, then your 17-day tour of grief, you've brought the KEY crucial issues to the world to help us save your Orca family. >> >> >> >> >> >> > > -- > John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design > -------------------------------------------- > - Eco-Living - > Whole Systems Design Services > People - Place - Learning - Integration > john(a)eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 > http://eco-living.net > http://sociocracyconsulting.com > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2018 17:15:23 -0700 > From: Peter Zimowsky <rapidz(a)mac.com> > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Subject: Re: M_Boats: 15M vs 17M > Message-ID: <DE5C1B93-37C7-4A7F-BB0D-81A6804FCB7E(a)mac.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > Great info. Really appreciate you taking the time to answer my questions. My M15 keeps looking better and better. > Pete > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Nov 10, 2018, at 13:07, John Schinnerer <john(a)eco-living.net> wrote: >> >> I find my M17 easy enough to handle solo, in most ways that come readily to mind. >> >> It got even easier this past season (what little time I got in) with the addition of a reefing furler for the jib, and main halyard led to cockpit. >> >> In terms of sailing solo, it's just a big heavy sloop-rig dinghy really (that's a compliment Jerry :-) >> And pretty nimble for its size & weight I'd say. >> >> I don't use it for day-sailing off the trailer on a regular basis, it's more overhead to rig up and down than I usually want to spend on that. But I could - it's not particularly complicated, just takes some time & attention. The furler adds a bit to that, but then pays off big time on the water in variable wind conditions. >> >> I've only seen an M15 rig up & down a time or two, but it seems to take almost as long. >> >> I could imagine cruising solo on an M15 for a while. Not for long at all with two people. >> >> If I already had an M15, and the balance of use you describe, I'd probably stick with the M15. But if you were going to do significantly more cruising...especially not solo - it might be worth switching. >> >> Some folks here cruise with two on an M15 repeatedly, so they can speak to how that works for them. >> >> I'm 6' 3" tall so that is a factor. The M15 v-berth is actually a few inches longer than the M17. But there's no space for anything but lying down inside the cabin (for me anyhow). And I find the M15 cockpit a bit knees-to-chin also. I appreciate the (relative) spaciousness of both the cockpit and cabin on my M17. >> >> And, you can tow the M15 with most anything. You need at least one step up from "most anything" in HP and brakes to tow an M17. >> >> Hope that helps...if you have more specific questions feel free to ask. >> >> cheers, >> John >> >> >>> On 11/10/2018 11:25 AM, Peter Zimowsky via montgomery_boats wrote: >>> Hi: >>> I?ve been debating getting a bigger boat but I love my M15 for ease of stepping the mast, launching and sailing solo. The only thing I would like is a larger living space for cruising the San Juan Islands. So we?re talking about sailing solo in the M15 about 30 days at my home reservoir and then 7 days in the San Juans. Is it worth going to a larger boat for those seven days? >>> And, is an M17 easy to handle solo? >>> Thanks for the input. There?s always a debate among sailors about going to a larger boat. >>> Good winds, >>> Pete Winter Sky >>> (Zimowsky) >>> outdoors writer and photographer >>> www.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com <http://www.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com/> >>> Twitter: @zimosoutdoors >>> "Be with Tahlequah" >>> Talhequah, you did this. From the day you lost your baby in the summer of 2018, then your 17-day tour of grief, you've brought the KEY crucial issues to the world to help us save your Orca family. >> >> -- >> John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design >> -------------------------------------------- >> - Eco-Living - >> Whole Systems Design Services >> People - Place - Learning - Integration >> john(a)eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 >> http://eco-living.net >> http://sociocracyconsulting.com >> > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2018 17:29:49 -0800 > From: Larry Yake <larryyake(a)gmail.com> > To: rapidz(a)mac.com, For and about Montgomery Sailboats > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Subject: Re: M_Boats: 15M vs 17M > Message-ID: > <CANjZbo=z+ucwHJOicnEpiifxJ3ngocUcQzk5h1iv965HXBcKeg(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > For what it's worth, when we were having the Montgomery San Juan Rendezvous > on an annual basis, every sailor, except one, that came with a M15 their > first year was in a M17 the next time they came. > > On Sat, Nov 10, 2018 at 4:16 PM Peter Zimowsky via montgomery_boats < > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> wrote: > >> Great info. Really appreciate you taking the time to answer my questions. >> My M15 keeps looking better and better. >> Pete >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Nov 10, 2018, at 13:07, John Schinnerer <john(a)eco-living.net> wrote: >>> >>> I find my M17 easy enough to handle solo, in most ways that come readily >> to mind. >>> >>> It got even easier this past season (what little time I got in) with the >> addition of a reefing furler for the jib, and main halyard led to cockpit. >>> >>> In terms of sailing solo, it's just a big heavy sloop-rig dinghy really >> (that's a compliment Jerry :-) >>> And pretty nimble for its size & weight I'd say. >>> >>> I don't use it for day-sailing off the trailer on a regular basis, it's >> more overhead to rig up and down than I usually want to spend on that. But >> I could - it's not particularly complicated, just takes some time & >> attention. The furler adds a bit to that, but then pays off big time on the >> water in variable wind conditions. >>> >>> I've only seen an M15 rig up & down a time or two, but it seems to take >> almost as long. >>> >>> I could imagine cruising solo on an M15 for a while. Not for long at all >> with two people. >>> >>> If I already had an M15, and the balance of use you describe, I'd >> probably stick with the M15. But if you were going to do significantly more >> cruising...especially not solo - it might be worth switching. >>> >>> Some folks here cruise with two on an M15 repeatedly, so they can speak >> to how that works for them. >>> >>> I'm 6' 3" tall so that is a factor. The M15 v-berth is actually a few >> inches longer than the M17. But there's no space for anything but lying >> down inside the cabin (for me anyhow). And I find the M15 cockpit a bit >> knees-to-chin also. I appreciate the (relative) spaciousness of both the >> cockpit and cabin on my M17. >>> >>> And, you can tow the M15 with most anything. You need at least one step >> up from "most anything" in HP and brakes to tow an M17. >>> >>> Hope that helps...if you have more specific questions feel free to ask. >>> >>> cheers, >>> John >>> >>> >>>> On 11/10/2018 11:25 AM, Peter Zimowsky via montgomery_boats wrote: >>>> Hi: >>>> I?ve been debating getting a bigger boat but I love my M15 for ease of >> stepping the mast, launching and sailing solo. The only thing I would like >> is a larger living space for cruising the San Juan Islands. So we?re >> talking about sailing solo in the M15 about 30 days at my home reservoir >> and then 7 days in the San Juans. Is it worth going to a larger boat for >> those seven days? >>>> And, is an M17 easy to handle solo? >>>> Thanks for the input. There?s always a debate among sailors about going >> to a larger boat. >>>> Good winds, >>>> Pete Winter Sky >>>> (Zimowsky) >>>> outdoors writer and photographer >>>> www.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com <http://www.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com/> >>>> Twitter: @zimosoutdoors >>>> "Be with Tahlequah" >>>> Talhequah, you did this. From the day you lost your baby in the summer >> of 2018, then your 17-day tour of grief, you've brought the KEY crucial >> issues to the world to help us save your Orca family. >>> >>> -- >>> John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design >>> -------------------------------------------- >>> - Eco-Living - >>> Whole Systems Design Services >>> People - Place - Learning - Integration >>> john(a)eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 >>> http://eco-living.net >>> http://sociocracyconsulting.com >>> >> >> > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2018 18:13:48 -0800 (PST) > From: casioqv(a)usermail.com > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Subject: Re: M_Boats: 15M vs 17M > Message-ID: > <1739973547.245683.1541902428521.JavaMail.zimbra(a)usermail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > I think the M15 is faster to rig, especially solo. It usually takes me about 30 mins from arriving at the ramp to sailing away from the dock. I also like the large bed for two tall adults... I have done week long cruises with 2 adults in good weather with my M15 and found it very comfortable, but I never could do the same in my Catalina 22- because the bunks we all too small for me (6'2) to sleep well. However, I have never cruised or tried to sleep in an M17. > > Sincerely, > Tyler > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2018 4:15:23 PM > Subject: Re: M_Boats: 15M vs 17M > > Great info. Really appreciate you taking the time to answer my questions. My M15 keeps looking better and better. > Pete > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Nov 10, 2018, at 13:07, John Schinnerer <john(a)eco-living.net> wrote: >> >> I find my M17 easy enough to handle solo, in most ways that come readily to mind. >> >> It got even easier this past season (what little time I got in) with the addition of a reefing furler for the jib, and main halyard led to cockpit. >> >> In terms of sailing solo, it's just a big heavy sloop-rig dinghy really (that's a compliment Jerry :-) >> And pretty nimble for its size & weight I'd say. >> >> I don't use it for day-sailing off the trailer on a regular basis, it's more overhead to rig up and down than I usually want to spend on that. But I could - it's not particularly complicated, just takes some time & attention. The furler adds a bit to that, but then pays off big time on the water in variable wind conditions. >> >> I've only seen an M15 rig up & down a time or two, but it seems to take almost as long. >> >> I could imagine cruising solo on an M15 for a while. Not for long at all with two people. >> >> If I already had an M15, and the balance of use you describe, I'd probably stick with the M15. But if you were going to do significantly more cruising...especially not solo - it might be worth switching. >> >> Some folks here cruise with two on an M15 repeatedly, so they can speak to how that works for them. >> >> I'm 6' 3" tall so that is a factor. The M15 v-berth is actually a few inches longer than the M17. But there's no space for anything but lying down inside the cabin (for me anyhow). And I find the M15 cockpit a bit knees-to-chin also. I appreciate the (relative) spaciousness of both the cockpit and cabin on my M17. >> >> And, you can tow the M15 with most anything. You need at least one step up from "most anything" in HP and brakes to tow an M17. >> >> Hope that helps...if you have more specific questions feel free to ask. >> >> cheers, >> John >> >> >>> On 11/10/2018 11:25 AM, Peter Zimowsky via montgomery_boats wrote: >>> Hi: >>> I?ve been debating getting a bigger boat but I love my M15 for ease of stepping the mast, launching and sailing solo. The only thing I would like is a larger living space for cruising the San Juan Islands. So we?re talking about sailing solo in the M15 about 30 days at my home reservoir and then 7 days in the San Juans. Is it worth going to a larger boat for those seven days? >>> And, is an M17 easy to handle solo? >>> Thanks for the input. There?s always a debate among sailors about going to a larger boat. >>> Good winds, >>> Pete Winter Sky >>> (Zimowsky) >>> outdoors writer and photographer >>> www.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com <http://www.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com/> >>> Twitter: @zimosoutdoors >>> "Be with Tahlequah" >>> Talhequah, you did this. From the day you lost your baby in the summer of 2018, then your 17-day tour of grief, you've brought the KEY crucial issues to the world to help us save your Orca family. >> >> -- >> John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design >> -------------------------------------------- >> - Eco-Living - >> Whole Systems Design Services >> People - Place - Learning - Integration >> john(a)eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 >> http://eco-living.net >> http://sociocracyconsulting.com >> > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2018 18:26:51 -0800 > From: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> > To: Peter Zimowsky <rapidz(a)mac.com>, For and about Montgomery > Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Subject: Re: M_Boats: 15M vs 17M > Message-ID: > <CAGjBOA6Fzev0LPMAjRHM03x=HUj+iusBgehuyPRPWvpfsdx2Mg(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > Peter: > > I've owned and cruised on both the M15 and M17. > > M15 is easier to rig (as many have stated) and the vberth is much more > comfortable than the M17. Using the potty is also easier on the M15. > > M17 is more comfortable in cabin and more storage. > > My longest cruise on the M15 was 9 days. > > I spent 2.5 months on my M17. > > For shorter than a couple of weeks the M15 is hard to beat. M17 works > better for couples and when going for more that a couple of weeks. > > > :: Dave Scobie > :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com > :: M6'8" #650 > :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com > > On Sat, Nov 10, 2018, 11:26 AM Peter Zimowsky via montgomery_boats < > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com wrote: > >> Hi: >> I?ve been debating getting a bigger boat but I love my M15 for ease of >> stepping the mast, launching and sailing solo. The only thing I would like >> is a larger living space for cruising the San Juan Islands. So we?re >> talking about sailing solo in the M15 about 30 days at my home reservoir >> and then 7 days in the San Juans. Is it worth going to a larger boat for >> those seven days? >> And, is an M17 easy to handle solo? >> Thanks for the input. There?s always a debate among sailors about going to >> a larger boat. >> Good winds, >> >> >> Pete Winter Sky >> (Zimowsky) >> >> outdoors writer and photographer >> www.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com <http://www.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com/> >> Twitter: @zimosoutdoors >> >> >> "Be with Tahlequah" >> Talhequah, you did this. From the day you lost your baby in the summer of >> 2018, then your 17-day tour of grief, you've brought the KEY crucial issues >> to the world to help us save your Orca family. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2018 21:15:19 -0700 > From: Peter Zimowsky <rapidz(a)mac.com> > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Subject: Re: M_Boats: 15M vs 17M > Message-ID: <D196E1E4-DDF6-49C1-8818-A33A43E99B03(a)mac.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > Hi folks: > Great discussion on the M15 vs M17. I guess I have to look inside an M17. > Thanks, > > Pete Winter Sky > (Zimowsky) > > outdoors writer and photographer > www.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com <http://www.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com/> > Twitter: @zimosoutdoors > > > "Be with Tahlequah" > Talhequah, you did this. From the day you lost your baby in the summer of 2018, then your 17-day tour of grief, you've brought the KEY crucial issues to the world to help us save your Orca family. > > > > > > >> On Nov 10, 2018, at 7:13 PM, casioqv(a)usermail.com wrote: >> >> I think the M15 is faster to rig, especially solo. It usually takes me about 30 mins from arriving at the ramp to sailing away from the dock. I also like the large bed for two tall adults... I have done week long cruises with 2 adults in good weather with my M15 and found it very comfortable, but I never could do the same in my Catalina 22- because the bunks we all too small for me (6'2) to sleep well. However, I have never cruised or tried to sleep in an M17. >> >> Sincerely, >> Tyler >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> >> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> >> Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2018 4:15:23 PM >> Subject: Re: M_Boats: 15M vs 17M >> >> Great info. Really appreciate you taking the time to answer my questions. My M15 keeps looking better and better. >> Pete >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Nov 10, 2018, at 13:07, John Schinnerer <john(a)eco-living.net> wrote: >>> >>> I find my M17 easy enough to handle solo, in most ways that come readily to mind. >>> >>> It got even easier this past season (what little time I got in) with the addition of a reefing furler for the jib, and main halyard led to cockpit. >>> >>> In terms of sailing solo, it's just a big heavy sloop-rig dinghy really (that's a compliment Jerry :-) >>> And pretty nimble for its size & weight I'd say. >>> >>> I don't use it for day-sailing off the trailer on a regular basis, it's more overhead to rig up and down than I usually want to spend on that. But I could - it's not particularly complicated, just takes some time & attention. The furler adds a bit to that, but then pays off big time on the water in variable wind conditions. >>> >>> I've only seen an M15 rig up & down a time or two, but it seems to take almost as long. >>> >>> I could imagine cruising solo on an M15 for a while. Not for long at all with two people. >>> >>> If I already had an M15, and the balance of use you describe, I'd probably stick with the M15. But if you were going to do significantly more cruising...especially not solo - it might be worth switching. >>> >>> Some folks here cruise with two on an M15 repeatedly, so they can speak to how that works for them. >>> >>> I'm 6' 3" tall so that is a factor. The M15 v-berth is actually a few inches longer than the M17. But there's no space for anything but lying down inside the cabin (for me anyhow). And I find the M15 cockpit a bit knees-to-chin also. I appreciate the (relative) spaciousness of both the cockpit and cabin on my M17. >>> >>> And, you can tow the M15 with most anything. You need at least one step up from "most anything" in HP and brakes to tow an M17. >>> >>> Hope that helps...if you have more specific questions feel free to ask. >>> >>> cheers, >>> John >>> >>> >>>> On 11/10/2018 11:25 AM, Peter Zimowsky via montgomery_boats wrote: >>>> Hi: >>>> I?ve been debating getting a bigger boat but I love my M15 for ease of stepping the mast, launching and sailing solo. The only thing I would like is a larger living space for cruising the San Juan Islands. So we?re talking about sailing solo in the M15 about 30 days at my home reservoir and then 7 days in the San Juans. Is it worth going to a larger boat for those seven days? >>>> And, is an M17 easy to handle solo? >>>> Thanks for the input. There?s always a debate among sailors about going to a larger boat. >>>> Good winds, >>>> Pete Winter Sky >>>> (Zimowsky) >>>> outdoors writer and photographer >>>> www.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com <http://www.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com/> >>>> Twitter: @zimosoutdoors >>>> "Be with Tahlequah" >>>> Talhequah, you did this. From the day you lost your baby in the summer of 2018, then your 17-day tour of grief, you've brought the KEY crucial issues to the world to help us save your Orca family. >>> >>> -- >>> John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design >>> -------------------------------------------- >>> - Eco-Living - >>> Whole Systems Design Services >>> People - Place - Learning - Integration >>> john(a)eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 >>> http://eco-living.net >>> http://sociocracyconsulting.com >>> >> > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2018 17:33:01 +0000 (UTC) > From: Gary Oberbeck <gilasailr(a)aol.com> > To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > Subject: M_Boats: Educational videos at UK Sails Ireland - some good > ones! > Message-ID: <1079385221.511686.1541957581904(a)mail.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > Enjoy!? ? ?http://www.uksailmakers.com/learning-and-safety-at-sea-videos/ ? ? > GO > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > montgomery_boats mailing list > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > https://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet! > > > ------------------------------ > > End of montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 189, Issue 4 > ************************************************

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Educational videos at UK Sails Ireland - some good ones!
by Gary Oberbeck 11 Nov '18

11 Nov '18

Enjoy! http://www.uksailmakers.com/learning-and-safety-at-sea-videos/ GO

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Re: M_Boats: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 189, Issue 2
by Jon Barber 07 Nov '18

07 Nov '18

Yes, upload your photos to the msog photo site. I, too had my Monty 17 painted. It made a huge difference. Jon Barber Monty 17 Ol'44 On Wed, Nov 7, 2018, 11:01 AM <montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com wrote: > Send montgomery_boats mailing list submissions to > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > https://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > montgomery_boats-owner(a)mailman.xmission.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of montgomery_boats digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Traveler rigging for Montgomery 17 (Edward Cazier) > 2. Re: Traveler rigging for Montgomery 17 (Dave Scobie) > 3. Re: Traveler rigging for Montgomery 17 (Gary Oberbeck) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2018 08:45:12 -0600 > From: Edward Cazier <edward.cazier(a)gmail.com> > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Subject: M_Boats: Traveler rigging for Montgomery 17 > Message-ID: > <CAN2YRjnajjst5r3AaS= > TGewFd1kOagYtKuJRGBLWAh3+9Sk00w(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > Greetings all - I have a 1981 Montgomery 17 (Scooby Doo - sail #888) that > has been recently repainted (need to create a page and upload photos - she > looks great!). Unfortunately, the boat yard that did the work returned > several elements of the rigging in a chaotic state. I have been able to > fix all of the chaos, except for the traveler. Would someone send a photo > / direct me to a page on the Montgomery website with a photo of the correct > rigging for the traveler? > > Thanks, > > Ed > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2018 08:25:46 -0800 > From: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Traveler rigging for Montgomery 17 > Message-ID: > < > CAGjBOA4-2wGNUnS_LS7Hk62pER3ee6JckuxwFJFsKOjf0AVG6w(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > Ed. > > The traveler is a 1/4" line with a block similar to a Harken #2649 (rope > traveler block). I don't have the length of the line, but it needs to be > set so when you pull the mainsheet tight the aft end of the boom is just at > the aft quarter (tighter makes the boat sail worse - I've found many M15s > where the main is oversheeted because of a too short mainsheet traveler). > A M15 owner can share the length. > > The tie an 8-knot in one end. Run line through one of the transom holes > (by the aft end of the combing); run line through the block, run line > through the second (opposite) transom hole and tie an 8-knot. > > > :: Dave Scobie > :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com > :: M6'8" #650 > :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com > > On Wed, Nov 7, 2018, 6:46 AM Edward Cazier <edward.cazier(a)gmail.com wrote: > > > Greetings all - I have a 1981 Montgomery 17 (Scooby Doo - sail #888) that > > has been recently repainted (need to create a page and upload photos - > she > > looks great!). Unfortunately, the boat yard that did the work returned > > several elements of the rigging in a chaotic state. I have been able to > > fix all of the chaos, except for the traveler. Would someone send a > photo > > / direct me to a page on the Montgomery website with a photo of the > correct > > rigging for the traveler? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Ed > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2018 18:52:15 +0000 (UTC) > From: Gary Oberbeck <gilasailr(a)aol.com> > To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Traveler rigging for Montgomery 17 > Message-ID: <1848513726.1141426.1541616735358(a)mail.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > Ed,?I think Dave is referring to a M-15 traveler? > If you have a M-17 - there are many types of travelers - can you post a > photo of the hardware you have ? We can get it figured from the photo. > Thanks, > Gary O.M-17 Sail# 354 - 'Tiny Purple Fishes'? (one of a few that has had > the traveler removed!) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats < > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Sent: Wed, Nov 7, 2018 10:52 am > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Traveler rigging for Montgomery 17 > > Ed. > > The traveler is a 1/4" line with a block similar to a Harken #2649 (rope > traveler block).? I don't have the length of the line, but it needs to be > set so when you pull the mainsheet tight the aft end of the boom is just at > the aft quarter (tighter makes the boat sail worse - I've found many M15s > where the main is oversheeted because of a too short mainsheet traveler). > A M15 owner can share the length. > > The tie an 8-knot in one end.? Run line through one of the transom holes > (by the aft end of the combing); run line through the block, run line > through the second (opposite) transom hole and tie an 8-knot. > > > :: Dave Scobie > :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com > :: M6'8" #650 > :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com > > On Wed, Nov 7, 2018, 6:46 AM Edward Cazier <edward.cazier(a)gmail.com wrote: > > > Greetings all - I have a 1981 Montgomery 17 (Scooby Doo - sail #888) that > > has been recently repainted (need to create a page and upload photos - > she > > looks great!).? Unfortunately, the boat yard that did the work returned > > several elements of the rigging in a chaotic state.? I have been able to > > fix all of the chaos, except for the traveler.? Would someone send a > photo > > / direct me to a page on the Montgomery website with a photo of the > correct > > rigging for the traveler? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Ed > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > montgomery_boats mailing list > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > https://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet! > > > ------------------------------ > > End of montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 189, Issue 2 > ************************************************ >

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Traveler rigging for Montgomery 17
by Edward Cazier 07 Nov '18

07 Nov '18

Greetings all - I have a 1981 Montgomery 17 (Scooby Doo - sail #888) that has been recently repainted (need to create a page and upload photos - she looks great!). Unfortunately, the boat yard that did the work returned several elements of the rigging in a chaotic state. I have been able to fix all of the chaos, except for the traveler. Would someone send a photo / direct me to a page on the Montgomery website with a photo of the correct rigging for the traveler? Thanks, Ed

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magazine article
by Peter Zimowsky 06 Nov '18

06 Nov '18

Hi: I’ve got a story on winter sailing in the November issue of 48 degrees North. https://48north.com/the-magazine/ Pete Winter Sky (Zimowsky) outdoors writer and photographer www.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com <http://www.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com/> Twitter: @zimosoutdoors "Be with Tahlequah" Talhequah, you did this. From the day you lost your baby in the summer of 2018, then your 17-day tour of grief, you've brought the KEY crucial issues to the world to help us save your Orca family.

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New member
by Peter Zimowsky 25 Oct '18

25 Oct '18

Hi: Just joined the Montgomery boat owners’ mailing list. I own a 15-foot Montgomery that I sail once a week on my local reservoir in Idaho, Lucky Peak Reservoir. If the reservoir doesn’t freeze over, which it didn’t last year, I’m out all winter long. I’ve taken “Chinook Breeze” on two cruises in the San Juan Islands - Anacortes to Spencer Spit to Rosario to Friday Harbor to Roche Harbor to Sucia Island to Blakely Island to Anacortes. I do it with other sailors from the Southern Idaho Sailing Association (safety in numbers). I often wonder about the safety of a 15 footer in San Juan waters because of currents, etc. So far I haven’t had a problem. My four-stroke 4 horsepower has handled the currents but I’m thinking of a larger horsepower motor. I’ll have lots of questions in the future. Thanks, Pete Winter Sky (Zimowsky) outdoors writer and photographer www.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com <http://www.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com/> Twitter: @zimosoutdoors "Be with Tahlequah" Talhequah, you did this. From the day you lost your baby in the summer of 2018, then your 17-day tour of grief, you've brought the KEY crucial issues to the world to help us save your Orca family.

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M15 trailer guides
by James Horton 24 Oct '18

24 Oct '18

Hello, I plan on trailer sailing our M15 more next season and less time at a Marina Slip. What do most M15 owners do for "trailer guides" to assist in speedy recovery and launches and to ensure keel lines up correctly on bunks? We have a 2011 Pacific trailer which we are very happy with. Just got back from 200 mile trip towing our M15 to her new home. Regards Jamie Horton M15 662 Maud Nova Scotia

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MOntgomery Donation
by Gilbert Landin 20 Oct '18

20 Oct '18

Just a heads up I just finished the paperwork to donate my 1974 17 to Boat Angel. Good Luck!! -- Gilbert Landin cell 774-7106

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