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Re: M_Boats: Pocket Yacht Palooza
by thomaspbuzzi 21 Jul '19

21 Jul '19

Yes, I was there for that tale but the fellow dressed in kacki owned the Monty. He can answer your question. My Monty is still in Tex.Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device -------- Original message --------From: Steve Trapp <stevetrapp(a)Q.com> Date: 7/21/19 2:59 PM (GMT-08:00) To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Pocket Yacht Palooza Are you the guy I talked with about sliding my M-15 mast forward on the trailer to get under the 40 ft overall length of vehicle and trailer to get a lower fare on the ferry? If you're M-17 is in Texas, how did you get to the far PNW where we can look across the Juan de Fuca Straits to Canada?SteveM-15 # 335-----Original Message----- From: thomaspbuzziSent: Sunday, July 21, 2019 12:43 PMTo: For and about Montgomery SailboatsSubject: Re: M_Boats: Pocket Yacht PaloozaHi, Steve. Must have spoken with you yesterday. Had a great time talking to small boat sailors all day. Not to mention the amazing skill on display by those kind enough to haul their fine creations out for the public to enjoy. Wish I could keep my Monty 17 up here instead of in my driveway in Texas.Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device-------- Original message --------From: Steve Trapp <stevetrapp(a)Q.com> Date: 7/21/19 10:13 AM (GMT-08:00) To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Pocket Yacht Palooza Saw only one M-17 at Pocket Yacht Palooza. Usually there are more M-boats there.SteveM-15 # 335>> _______________________________________________> montgomery_boats mailing list> montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> https://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats>> Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet!>>> ------------------------------>> End of montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 197, Issue 9> ************************************************>

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Re: M_Boats: Pocket Yacht Palooza
by thomaspbuzzi 21 Jul '19

21 Jul '19

Hi, Steve. Must have spoken with you yesterday. Had a great time talking to small boat sailors all day. Not to mention the amazing skill on display by those kind enough to haul their fine creations out for the public to enjoy. Wish I could keep my Monty 17 up here instead of in my driveway in Texas.Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device -------- Original message --------From: Steve Trapp <stevetrapp(a)Q.com> Date: 7/21/19 10:13 AM (GMT-08:00) To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Pocket Yacht Palooza Saw only one M-17 at Pocket Yacht Palooza. Usually there are more M-boats there.SteveM-15 # 335>> _______________________________________________> montgomery_boats mailing list> montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> https://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats>> Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet!>>> ------------------------------>> End of montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 197, Issue 9> ************************************************>

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M15 Tiller
by James Horton 21 Jul '19

21 Jul '19

Although I am very pleased with #662, I am a little disappointed with her steering. My previous 2 boats were a CD Typhoon and a Quickstep 24 , both very easy to steer,1 finger. I noticed that replacement Tillers for the M15 are shown as 47" in length (Ruddercraft and Defender) while my stock tiller that came with boat is around 36". Question , would the additional leverage gained from the extra 11 inches (perhaps at the expense of less cockpit space) be worth the $ 119 and hassle to switch out ? Regards Jamie Horton On Wed, Jul 10, 2019, 15:01 , <montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com> wrote: > Send montgomery_boats mailing list submissions to > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > https://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > montgomery_boats-owner(a)mailman.xmission.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of montgomery_boats digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Tow weight issues (John Schinnerer) > 2. Re: List Members (Dave Scobie) > 3. Re: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 197, Issue 8 (Steve R.) > 4. Re: Tow weight issues (Gail Russell) > 5. Re: Tow weight issues (John Schinnerer) > 6. Towing issues (Rusty Knorr) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2019 13:13:12 -0700 > From: John Schinnerer <john(a)eco-living.net> > To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Tow weight issues > Message-ID: <48b22c45-8ccc-4006-3198-e275ac522349(a)eco-living.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > > Ditto most of this. > > I am due for a brake flush and will spec DOT 4 to replace the DOT 3 that > is most likely in there now. > > If you are at all on the edge of your vehicle's towing capacity, and > able to understand car talk (in general, not just the NPR show :-), the > part about online forums is very applicable. > For example my generation of subarus started in 2000, but the first year > had significantly weaker brakes than 2001 and later. In other words not > all vehicles of the same 'generation' in car maker terms are equal. I > found that out on forums...obviously Subaru is not going to crow about > it themselves. > > Re engine temps, you want to keep your engine oil temp at 210-220F or > below. > Most cars don't have oil temp gauges (not with numbers on then anyhow) > but if you have a new enough car as he says below you can get that info > via added technology. > Synthetic oils (if you are using them) may not break down as much above > 210-220F as standard oils or blends, but in any case if your oil is > above that, your whole engine is getting too hot even if the oil is not > losing its lubricity. > Coolant temp is not necessarily as good a measure as oil temp since > various cooling system issues can give a low or normal reading on > coolant temp when in fact you're overheating. > > Re hitches, for an M17 or an M15 towed by smaller vehicles, for those > smaller vehicles you will most likely find spec to be a Class II hitch. > These are rated 3500 lbs towing and 300 lbs tongue weight, 1000+ lbs > more than even a loaded M17 on trailer. They have a 1 1/4" receiver. > They attach to the vehicle frame, not just to body metal. For example > this is the one I put on my subie: > > https://www.etrailer.com/Trailer-Hitch/Subaru/Outback+Wagon/2001/36284.html… > > If you have a bigger heftier vehicle then your normal spec will be a > Class III with higher weight limits, also bolts to frame, and a 2" > receiver. > > If you have an M15, which you can tow with a smaller car than an M17 for > sure, then your vehicle spec hitch might be a Class I, 2000 lbs max tow > weight and 200 lbs max tongue weight. That is plenty for an M15, and > properly made Class I hitches also attach to the vehicle frame not just > the body metal. > > In other words, go with a hitch that is spec for your vehicle. That > keeps you in a reasonable safety zone. Assuming you don't overload both > the hitch and the vehicle that is... :-O > > Any decent hitch from Class I up will attach to the vehicle frame, so as > he says below avoid anything that just attaches to body metal (including > "bumper hitches" on small trucks and similar). > > cheers, > John > > > On 7/7/19 1:43 PM, casioqv(a)usermail.com wrote: > > I wanted to mention a few things about towing safely with a light weight > tow vehicle: > > > > 1. Change the brake fluid annually or less with a high boiling point > fluid, especially if you have an unbraked trailer. As it absorbs water, the > boiling temperature lowers rapidly, and will cause you to lose braking > coming down a grade. I personally prefer to use ATE TYP200 which is a > racing fluid, and boils at 536F dry and 388F wet (e.g. after about 2 > years). If your car has several year old DOT 3 fluid, it could boil at > temps as low as 257F, and lose all braking ability when the brakes aren't > even very hot yet. Cars that take DOT 3 can use DOT 4 instead, which > usually has a higher boiling point. Good ceramic brake pads and new racing > grade fluid will drastically increase the braking capacity of any car or > truck. > > > > 2. Find the online car forum for owners of your car model, and read > everything they say about towing safely- weakness, modifications, etc. > Often some car models will need a few things like a different transmission > fluid, different rear springs, or different brake pads to overcome minor > design flaws and make towing safer. > > > > 3. Most cars nowadays have temperature sensors on everything, but they > don't report this data to the driver. With a bluetooth OBD-II dongle, and a > smartphone app like Torque, you can get an audible alarm long before the > transmission or engine overheat enough to cause permanent damage... whereas > once the dash lights come on it's usually too late. As a rule of thumb, an > engine should stay under boiling, e.g. 100C/212F when climbing a grade if > the cooling system is in good shape. > > > > 4. A Class III 2" receiver hitch is worth it even for a small car with a > light trailer. If you can't find one, you can get one fabricated by a > welder. The cheap draw-tite, reese, etc. Class I hitches that just mount to > sheet metal are unsafe, as those mount points will fatigue and fail if you > tow a lot, even with a light weight trailer. > > > > Sincerely, > > Tyler > > > > -- > John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design > -------------------------------------------- > - Eco-Living - > Whole Systems Design Services > People - Place - Learning - Integration > john(a)eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 > http://eco-living.net > http://sociocracyconsulting.com > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2019 13:25:24 -0700 > From: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Subject: Re: M_Boats: List Members > Message-ID: > <CAGjBOA75YNijvyWhSE3Ftt51GJUCEPskEUmipBBYHEBYt= > 9Ghg(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > Find a prior email sent to the list by the person you wish to contact. > Choose reply ALL. Check new email's header that should now show both the > listproc address and that of the original poster. Delete the listproc > email address. > > Or - > > Reply to the original email posted by the person you wish to contact. > Their original post will have a lead header showing their email address > (ex: 'On Tue, Jul 9, 2019, 10:11 AM George Iemmolo <griemmolo2(a)gmail.com> > wrote:'). Copy their email and paste in the send-to field. Delete the > listproc address from the send-to field. > > > :: Dave Scobie > :: M6'8" #650 > :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com > :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com > :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred/ > > > On Tue, Jul 9, 2019, 10:11 AM George Iemmolo <griemmolo2(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > How does one contact a list member off list? I whish to contact Connie > > Benneck regarding his books and as much of the discussion is not > Montgomery > > oriented I do not wish to violate the list rules and post here. > > > > Thanks > > George > > Merry Helen II > > 96 M15 602 > > "We Can Not Control the Wind > > But We Can Adjust Our Sails" > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2019 16:34:41 -0400 > From: "Steve R." <stever707(a)gmail.com> > To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > Subject: Re: M_Boats: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 197, Issue 8 > Message-ID: > <CA+qyhvUXjbyE16dF9x_nbveyaD7L+txeKC4_4U= > POsOViGCOiA(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > George, > > Look for the link near the top of every email "To subscribe or unsubscribe > via the World Wide Web, visit" . > > Follow the link. > > At the bottom of the page you will see an additional option: > > *montgomery_boats Subscribers* > (*The subscribers list is only available to the list members.*) > > Enter your address and password to visit the subscribers list: > > ================================================= > > Follow these instructions and you will see everyone who publicly accepts > emails. > > If you forgot your password you may request that a new password is emailed > to you. > steve > > Steve R. > M-15 #119 > Lexington KY now - Green Cove Spring FL sometime soon > > > <sniped> > > > > Message: 1 > > Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2019 12:10:39 -0500 > > From: George Iemmolo <griemmolo2(a)gmail.com> > > > > How does one contact a list member off list? I whish to contact Connie > > Benneck regarding his books and as much of the discussion is not > Montgomery > > oriented I do not wish to violate the list rules and post here. > > > > Thanks > > George > > Merry Helen II > > 96 M15 602 > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2019 13:54:02 -0700 > From: Gail Russell <gail(a)zeliga.com> > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Tow weight issues > Message-ID: > < > CAKCiK2JHEF+65vDzHtvcbKhFf0494W4kD4K-MLCUqw7jx9yOfQ(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > I am a total know-nothing on this subject, but from my acquaintances in the > horse trailer towing world, I have been told that the wheel base length of > the tow vehicle versus the weight of the tow vehicle is important. I > presume this is relevant in a potential jack knifing situation, and is the > problem when I am following a rig where the trailed vehicle is swinging > from side to side. > > Gail in Forestville CA > > On Tue, Jul 9, 2019 at 1:13 PM John Schinnerer <john(a)eco-living.net> > wrote: > > > Ditto most of this. > > > > I am due for a brake flush and will spec DOT 4 to replace the DOT 3 that > > is most likely in there now. > > > > If you are at all on the edge of your vehicle's towing capacity, and > > able to understand car talk (in general, not just the NPR show :-), the > > part about online forums is very applicable. > > For example my generation of subarus started in 2000, but the first year > > had significantly weaker brakes than 2001 and later. In other words not > > all vehicles of the same 'generation' in car maker terms are equal. I > > found that out on forums...obviously Subaru is not going to crow about > > it themselves. > > > > Re engine temps, you want to keep your engine oil temp at 210-220F or > > below. > > Most cars don't have oil temp gauges (not with numbers on then anyhow) > > but if you have a new enough car as he says below you can get that info > > via added technology. > > Synthetic oils (if you are using them) may not break down as much above > > 210-220F as standard oils or blends, but in any case if your oil is > > above that, your whole engine is getting too hot even if the oil is not > > losing its lubricity. > > Coolant temp is not necessarily as good a measure as oil temp since > > various cooling system issues can give a low or normal reading on > > coolant temp when in fact you're overheating. > > > > Re hitches, for an M17 or an M15 towed by smaller vehicles, for those > > smaller vehicles you will most likely find spec to be a Class II hitch. > > These are rated 3500 lbs towing and 300 lbs tongue weight, 1000+ lbs > > more than even a loaded M17 on trailer. They have a 1 1/4" receiver. > > They attach to the vehicle frame, not just to body metal. For example > > this is the one I put on my subie: > > > > > https://www.etrailer.com/Trailer-Hitch/Subaru/Outback+Wagon/2001/36284.html… > > > > If you have a bigger heftier vehicle then your normal spec will be a > > Class III with higher weight limits, also bolts to frame, and a 2" > > receiver. > > > > If you have an M15, which you can tow with a smaller car than an M17 for > > sure, then your vehicle spec hitch might be a Class I, 2000 lbs max tow > > weight and 200 lbs max tongue weight. That is plenty for an M15, and > > properly made Class I hitches also attach to the vehicle frame not just > > the body metal. > > > > In other words, go with a hitch that is spec for your vehicle. That > > keeps you in a reasonable safety zone. Assuming you don't overload both > > the hitch and the vehicle that is... :-O > > > > Any decent hitch from Class I up will attach to the vehicle frame, so as > > he says below avoid anything that just attaches to body metal (including > > "bumper hitches" on small trucks and similar). > > > > cheers, > > John > > > > > > On 7/7/19 1:43 PM, casioqv(a)usermail.com wrote: > > > I wanted to mention a few things about towing safely with a light > weight > > tow vehicle: > > > > > > 1. Change the brake fluid annually or less with a high boiling point > > fluid, especially if you have an unbraked trailer. As it absorbs water, > the > > boiling temperature lowers rapidly, and will cause you to lose braking > > coming down a grade. I personally prefer to use ATE TYP200 which is a > > racing fluid, and boils at 536F dry and 388F wet (e.g. after about 2 > > years). If your car has several year old DOT 3 fluid, it could boil at > > temps as low as 257F, and lose all braking ability when the brakes aren't > > even very hot yet. Cars that take DOT 3 can use DOT 4 instead, which > > usually has a higher boiling point. Good ceramic brake pads and new > racing > > grade fluid will drastically increase the braking capacity of any car or > > truck. > > > > > > 2. Find the online car forum for owners of your car model, and read > > everything they say about towing safely- weakness, modifications, etc. > > Often some car models will need a few things like a different > transmission > > fluid, different rear springs, or different brake pads to overcome minor > > design flaws and make towing safer. > > > > > > 3. Most cars nowadays have temperature sensors on everything, but they > > don't report this data to the driver. With a bluetooth OBD-II dongle, > and a > > smartphone app like Torque, you can get an audible alarm long before the > > transmission or engine overheat enough to cause permanent damage... > whereas > > once the dash lights come on it's usually too late. As a rule of thumb, > an > > engine should stay under boiling, e.g. 100C/212F when climbing a grade if > > the cooling system is in good shape. > > > > > > 4. A Class III 2" receiver hitch is worth it even for a small car with > a > > light trailer. If you can't find one, you can get one fabricated by a > > welder. The cheap draw-tite, reese, etc. Class I hitches that just mount > to > > sheet metal are unsafe, as those mount points will fatigue and fail if > you > > tow a lot, even with a light weight trailer. > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > Tyler > > > > > > > -- > > John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design > > -------------------------------------------- > > - Eco-Living - > > Whole Systems Design Services > > People - Place - Learning - Integration > > john(a)eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 > > http://eco-living.net > > http://sociocracyconsulting.com > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2019 15:21:36 -0700 > From: John Schinnerer <john(a)eco-living.net> > To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Tow weight issues > Message-ID: <42530406-20c8-ef1e-e80a-8bcd69d40552(a)eco-living.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > > It's relevant to situations where the tail starts wagging the dog, so to > speak - the trailer sways side to side and starts yanking the rear of > the tow vehicle around. Or pushing it around. > > Part of avoiding this is correct tongue weight vs. trailer weight, > usually tongue weight should be 10-15% of total trailer weight. > There's other factors like the one you mention. > Here's an article on it from GMC: > > https://www.gmc.com/gmc-life/trucks/why-tongue-weight-is-important-for-safe… > > But even a big heavy tow rig can get whiplashed by a poorly balanced > trailer. I once rented a big beefy tow-equipped Hertz full size x-cab > pickup to help my brother move his 22' Airstream (no suitable tow > vehicle in the family stable). Not that huge a trailer for such a truck. > But it turned out I couldn't go over about 52-53 MPH because the trailer > was poorly balanced. Tongue weight was probably too light or too heavy, > too light my guess. > Edge up towards 55 and it would start to sway side to side, doing its > best to take the rear of the truck with it...scary. > > Towing my M17 at the upper edge of my vehicle's ability, I definitely > checked my tongue weight to make sure it was in the 10-15% range. > > cheers, > John > > On 7/9/19 1:54 PM, Gail Russell wrote: > > I am a total know-nothing on this subject, but from my acquaintances in > the > > horse trailer towing world, I have been told that the wheel base length > of > > the tow vehicle versus the weight of the tow vehicle is important. I > > presume this is relevant in a potential jack knifing situation, and is > the > > problem when I am following a rig where the trailed vehicle is swinging > > from side to side. > > > > Gail in Forestville CA > > > > On Tue, Jul 9, 2019 at 1:13 PM John Schinnerer <john(a)eco-living.net> > wrote: > > > >> Ditto most of this. > >> > >> I am due for a brake flush and will spec DOT 4 to replace the DOT 3 that > >> is most likely in there now. > >> > >> If you are at all on the edge of your vehicle's towing capacity, and > >> able to understand car talk (in general, not just the NPR show :-), the > >> part about online forums is very applicable. > >> For example my generation of subarus started in 2000, but the first year > >> had significantly weaker brakes than 2001 and later. In other words not > >> all vehicles of the same 'generation' in car maker terms are equal. I > >> found that out on forums...obviously Subaru is not going to crow about > >> it themselves. > >> > >> Re engine temps, you want to keep your engine oil temp at 210-220F or > >> below. > >> Most cars don't have oil temp gauges (not with numbers on then anyhow) > >> but if you have a new enough car as he says below you can get that info > >> via added technology. > >> Synthetic oils (if you are using them) may not break down as much above > >> 210-220F as standard oils or blends, but in any case if your oil is > >> above that, your whole engine is getting too hot even if the oil is not > >> losing its lubricity. > >> Coolant temp is not necessarily as good a measure as oil temp since > >> various cooling system issues can give a low or normal reading on > >> coolant temp when in fact you're overheating. > >> > >> Re hitches, for an M17 or an M15 towed by smaller vehicles, for those > >> smaller vehicles you will most likely find spec to be a Class II hitch. > >> These are rated 3500 lbs towing and 300 lbs tongue weight, 1000+ lbs > >> more than even a loaded M17 on trailer. They have a 1 1/4" receiver. > >> They attach to the vehicle frame, not just to body metal. For example > >> this is the one I put on my subie: > >> > >> > https://www.etrailer.com/Trailer-Hitch/Subaru/Outback+Wagon/2001/36284.html… > >> > >> If you have a bigger heftier vehicle then your normal spec will be a > >> Class III with higher weight limits, also bolts to frame, and a 2" > >> receiver. > >> > >> If you have an M15, which you can tow with a smaller car than an M17 for > >> sure, then your vehicle spec hitch might be a Class I, 2000 lbs max tow > >> weight and 200 lbs max tongue weight. That is plenty for an M15, and > >> properly made Class I hitches also attach to the vehicle frame not just > >> the body metal. > >> > >> In other words, go with a hitch that is spec for your vehicle. That > >> keeps you in a reasonable safety zone. Assuming you don't overload both > >> the hitch and the vehicle that is... :-O > >> > >> Any decent hitch from Class I up will attach to the vehicle frame, so as > >> he says below avoid anything that just attaches to body metal (including > >> "bumper hitches" on small trucks and similar). > >> > >> cheers, > >> John > >> > >> > >> On 7/7/19 1:43 PM, casioqv(a)usermail.com wrote: > >>> I wanted to mention a few things about towing safely with a light > weight > >> tow vehicle: > >>> > >>> 1. Change the brake fluid annually or less with a high boiling point > >> fluid, especially if you have an unbraked trailer. As it absorbs water, > the > >> boiling temperature lowers rapidly, and will cause you to lose braking > >> coming down a grade. I personally prefer to use ATE TYP200 which is a > >> racing fluid, and boils at 536F dry and 388F wet (e.g. after about 2 > >> years). If your car has several year old DOT 3 fluid, it could boil at > >> temps as low as 257F, and lose all braking ability when the brakes > aren't > >> even very hot yet. Cars that take DOT 3 can use DOT 4 instead, which > >> usually has a higher boiling point. Good ceramic brake pads and new > racing > >> grade fluid will drastically increase the braking capacity of any car or > >> truck. > >>> > >>> 2. Find the online car forum for owners of your car model, and read > >> everything they say about towing safely- weakness, modifications, etc. > >> Often some car models will need a few things like a different > transmission > >> fluid, different rear springs, or different brake pads to overcome minor > >> design flaws and make towing safer. > >>> > >>> 3. Most cars nowadays have temperature sensors on everything, but they > >> don't report this data to the driver. With a bluetooth OBD-II dongle, > and a > >> smartphone app like Torque, you can get an audible alarm long before the > >> transmission or engine overheat enough to cause permanent damage... > whereas > >> once the dash lights come on it's usually too late. As a rule of thumb, > an > >> engine should stay under boiling, e.g. 100C/212F when climbing a grade > if > >> the cooling system is in good shape. > >>> > >>> 4. A Class III 2" receiver hitch is worth it even for a small car with > a > >> light trailer. If you can't find one, you can get one fabricated by a > >> welder. The cheap draw-tite, reese, etc. Class I hitches that just > mount to > >> sheet metal are unsafe, as those mount points will fatigue and fail if > you > >> tow a lot, even with a light weight trailer. > >>> > >>> Sincerely, > >>> Tyler > >>> > >> > >> -- > >> John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design > >> -------------------------------------------- > >> - Eco-Living - > >> Whole Systems Design Services > >> People - Place - Learning - Integration > >> john(a)eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 > >> http://eco-living.net > >> http://sociocracyconsulting.com > >> > >> > > -- > John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design > -------------------------------------------- > - Eco-Living - > Whole Systems Design Services > People - Place - Learning - Integration > john(a)eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 > http://eco-living.net > http://sociocracyconsulting.com > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2019 10:02:19 -0700 > From: Rusty Knorr <rustyinafrica(a)yahoo.com> > To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > Subject: M_Boats: Towing issues > Message-ID: <4D7C1C9C-9FEC-4E4A-AF72-6BCB29532E55(a)yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > I just had my Subie oil changed and had them check my brake fluid, all was > perfect after towing a half dozen times or so this year. The dealer assured > me the transmission would have no issues so I?m feeling a little more at > ease towing my M-15 Vanilla wherever I want to go. > > Rusty > > www.rustyknorr.weebly.com > > > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > montgomery_boats mailing list > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > https://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet! > > > ------------------------------ > > End of montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 197, Issue 9 > ************************************************ >

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m 15 tller
by carlos navarro 21 Jul '19

21 Jul '19

James, on my last lake sail, decided my tiller could be longer, so today started building a rough longer tiller to try, my original was 35 1/2 will make the rough tiller 42 inches if i like it will finished, with varnish,😬

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towing issue
by brad kurlancheek 16 Jul '19

16 Jul '19

Good news - my Rogue with a towing capacity of 1102 lbs, towed my M15 some 90 miles, with no problems. No overheating, no problems going up hills, no problems braking. It was a bare-bones tow - left the boom and rudder/tiller and most of the gear at home. Its a cvt (continuous variable transmission), with an option to downshift to lower gears. I generally drove in speed 5 on hills, and speed 6 on flat areas and down hill. No problems, gratefully. Thanks to all for advice and suggestions. On Sun, Jul 14, 2019 at 2:01 PM < montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com> wrote: > Send montgomery_boats mailing list submissions to > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > https://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > montgomery_boats-owner(a)mailman.xmission.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of montgomery_boats digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Towing issues (GARY M HYDE) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2019 14:20:30 -0700 > From: GARY M HYDE <gmhyde1(a)mac.com> > To: Rusty Knorr <rustyinafrica(a)yahoo.com>, For and about Montgomery > Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Towing issues > Message-ID: <18D5F7E0-5056-4449-8D26-10B8254508D7(a)mac.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > Rusty: > I used to own Vanilla and towed her with a 2001 Forester, no problem. Also > towed an M17 with a 2004 Forester with turbo for about 10,000 miles. No > problem. > Glad Vanilla is getting some use. Enjoy! > GARY ~~~~_/) ~~~~ > Good judgment comes from experience, and a lot of that comes from bad > judgment. > Injustice anywhere threatens justice everywhere. > > > On Jul 10, 2019, at 10:02 AM, Rusty Knorr via montgomery_boats < > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> wrote: > > > > I just had my Subie oil changed and had them check my brake fluid, all > was perfect after towing a half dozen times or so this year. The dealer > assured me the transmission would have no issues so I?m feeling a little > more at ease towing my M-15 Vanilla wherever I want to go. > > > > Rusty > > > > www.rustyknorr.weebly.com > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > montgomery_boats mailing list > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > https://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet! > > > ------------------------------ > > End of montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 197, Issue 12 > ************************************************* >

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Towing issues
by Rusty Knorr 13 Jul '19

13 Jul '19

I just had my Subie oil changed and had them check my brake fluid, all was perfect after towing a half dozen times or so this year. The dealer assured me the transmission would have no issues so I’m feeling a little more at ease towing my M-15 Vanilla wherever I want to go. Rusty www.rustyknorr.weebly.com

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Towing issues
by Rusty Knorr 11 Jul '19

11 Jul '19

Well geez, Peter! It sounds like I need to get out there and try some new cruising grounds! That’s encouraging, thanks for the info.

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Tow weight issues
by Rusty Knorr 09 Jul '19

09 Jul '19

I tow my M-15 with a 2016 Subaru Outback, and I get around 26mpg while towing. Although I was super nervous about it, not having any towing experience, it has handled it fine so far. That being said, I know I’m shortening the lifespan of the clutch and transmission, it’s an inevitable result of towing. And I’m definitely keeping to lowland towing! Much as I would like to, I don’t see myself taking it over the mountains, it’s not worth the risk to me, or the wear on the car. www.rustyknorr.weebly.com

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Re: M_Boats: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 197, Issue 8
by Steve R. 09 Jul '19

09 Jul '19

George, Look for the link near the top of every email "To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit" . Follow the link. At the bottom of the page you will see an additional option: *montgomery_boats Subscribers* (*The subscribers list is only available to the list members.*) Enter your address and password to visit the subscribers list: ================================================= Follow these instructions and you will see everyone who publicly accepts emails. If you forgot your password you may request that a new password is emailed to you. steve Steve R. M-15 #119 Lexington KY now - Green Cove Spring FL sometime soon <sniped> > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2019 12:10:39 -0500 > From: George Iemmolo <griemmolo2(a)gmail.com> > > How does one contact a list member off list? I whish to contact Connie > Benneck regarding his books and as much of the discussion is not Montgomery > oriented I do not wish to violate the list rules and post here. > > Thanks > George > Merry Helen II > 96 M15 602 > >

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List Members
by George Iemmolo 09 Jul '19

09 Jul '19

How does one contact a list member off list? I whish to contact Connie Benneck regarding his books and as much of the discussion is not Montgomery oriented I do not wish to violate the list rules and post here. Thanks George Merry Helen II 96 M15 602 "We Can Not Control the Wind But We Can Adjust Our Sails"

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