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Re: M_Boats: Disastrous trip
by Rusty Knorr 12 Aug '19

12 Aug '19

Following this thread with massive interest! I did the Salish 100 singlehanded on my M-15 and a couple of things about the boat were REALLY challenging. Keep in mind I’m also coming from living on a Flicka for many years, so the Monty is a huge compromise from what I’m used to! 1. Sitting headroom! After a week of hunching over in the cabin I was SO tired of bumping my head, kinking my neck and back, and having no place to comfortably relax inside. 2. Toilet time. Granted, the Monty has a place for a Portapotty, but I use wagbags and I could NOT find a comfortable position to sit and use the head with the Fold-To-Go portable toilet I brought. Maybe I can retool this system, but so far it’s not working. What specific Portapotty fits in an M-15? The one I have is too big at the base, and I don’t think I would want to use one anyway, wagbags are great in my opinion. I can see my wife joining me if we are in a marina, but I don’t think proper cruising would work with both of us on an M-15 anchored out. She is not obsessed with sailing, and I love singlehanding, so not a huge deal, but it’s something to consider. I’ve been considering moving to a Scamp, but still debating if that’s a good idea or not. With a boom tent possibly more room than the cabin of an M-15? Beachable for those times you want to bring your wife and camp ashore? Or use filler boards for a huge double berth! Easier to tow, small enough to put in my garage, and part of an instant community, the Scamp is compelling! I’ll keep the Monty for now and deal with it’s compromises, but if a fiberglass Scamp comes up for sale for a great deal I may make the jump and sell my M-15. Thoughts? Rusty Knorr on “Vanilla” www.rustyknorr.weebly.com > On Aug 10, 2019, at 11:00 AM, montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com wrote: > > Send montgomery_boats mailing list submissions to > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > montgomery_boats-owner(a)mailman.xmission.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of montgomery_boats digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Disastrous trip (Peter Zimowsky) > 2. Re: Disastrous trip (John Schinnerer) > 3. Re: Disastrous trip (Dave Scobie) > 4. Re: Disastrous trip Thanks for info (Peter Zimowsky) > 5. Re: Disastrous trip Thanks for info (Thomas Buzzi) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2019 10:10:40 -0600 > From: Peter Zimowsky <rapidz(a)mac.com> > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Subject: M_Boats: Disastrous trip > Message-ID: <6C0BB6C2-620F-4CE6-B8D7-1AA1E23538D1(a)mac.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > Hi: > we sailed the San Juans last week. My wife wanted to try camping on the boat (M15). Didn?t work out. She doesn?t like how small it is. I love the M15 and it works out for solo boaters. Should I go to a M17 or is it just as cramped? > Problem is, my M15 is in excellent shape and trading up to a M17 could be bad because I?ve read so many stories on this thread about older boats and all the problems. I don?t want to give up a good boat for one with problems. What do you have to watch out for when looking at another boat? > > > Pete Winter Sky > (Zimowsky) > > outdoors writer and photographer > www.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com <http://www.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com/> > Twitter: @zimosoutdoors > > > "Be with Tahlequah" > Tahlequah, you did this. From the day you lost your baby in the summer of 2018, then your 17-day tour of grief, you've brought the KEY crucial issues to the world to help us save your Orca family. > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2019 10:07:09 -0700 > From: John Schinnerer <john(a)eco-living.net> > To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Disastrous trip > Message-ID: <9d8cdbc2-3510-f50a-d07a-5841e55cb466(a)eco-living.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > > Having an M17 and having been on two different M15s, I will say the M17 > is quite a bit roomier. The cockpit, the cabin, the foredeck...amazing > how much more volume two feet of length and more beam provides. > > And, 'roomier' is relative - it's still a 'pocket' cruiser. > > I would say a first step would be to visit an M17 somewhere in person > and feel the difference - your wife as well as you. > > The main concern with older M17s in particular is swelling in the keel, > locking the CB from moving down and up. From the steel punchings used as > ballast in early years. They can rust enough to swell enough to do that, > if water has gotten into the keel. > I don't recall when it switched to lead, someone here probably does. > > Other than that, just the usual stuff on an older boat, not specific to > an M17. Rigging, hardware, wear and tear, etc. > > cheers, > John > > > >> On 8/10/19 9:10 AM, Peter Zimowsky via montgomery_boats wrote: >> Hi: >> we sailed the San Juans last week. My wife wanted to try camping on the boat (M15). Didn?t work out. She doesn?t like how small it is. I love the M15 and it works out for solo boaters. Should I go to a M17 or is it just as cramped? >> Problem is, my M15 is in excellent shape and trading up to a M17 could be bad because I?ve read so many stories on this thread about older boats and all the problems. I don?t want to give up a good boat for one with problems. What do you have to watch out for when looking at another boat? >> >> >> Pete Winter Sky >> (Zimowsky) >> >> outdoors writer and photographer >> www.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com <http://www.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com/> >> Twitter: @zimosoutdoors >> >> >> "Be with Tahlequah" >> Tahlequah, you did this. From the day you lost your baby in the summer of 2018, then your 17-day tour of grief, you've brought the KEY crucial issues to the world to help us save your Orca family. >> >> >> >> > > -- > John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design > -------------------------------------------- > - Eco-Living - > Whole Systems Design Services > People - Place - Learning - Integration > john(a)eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 > http://eco-living.net > http://sociocracyconsulting.com > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2019 10:19:45 -0700 > From: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> > To: Peter Zimowsky <rapidz(a)mac.com>, For and about Montgomery > Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Disastrous trip > Message-ID: > <CAGjBOA5dYkOE8--3_bS6OEV3iDc38SLSG5hCis4GPFfJj6i7Wg(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > Peter: > > First questions for you - what was 'to small'? The berth (M15's is > larger), no place to sit upright? No private head? No full galley? These > are things that an M17 barely will give you nare no better than on the M15. > > > :: Dave Scobie > :: M6'8" #650 > :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com > :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com > :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred/ > > > On Sat, Aug 10, 2019, 9:11 AM Peter Zimowsky via montgomery_boats < > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> wrote: > >> Hi: >> we sailed the San Juans last week. My wife wanted to try camping on the >> boat (M15). Didn?t work out. She doesn?t like how small it is. I love the >> M15 and it works out for solo boaters. Should I go to a M17 or is it just >> as cramped? >> Problem is, my M15 is in excellent shape and trading up to a M17 could be >> bad because I?ve read so many stories on this thread about older boats and >> all the problems. I don?t want to give up a good boat for one with >> problems. What do you have to watch out for when looking at another boat? >> >> >> Pete Winter Sky >> (Zimowsky) >> >> outdoors writer and photographer >> www.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com <http://www.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com/> >> Twitter: @zimosoutdoors >> >> >> "Be with Tahlequah" >> Tahlequah, you did this. From the day you lost your baby in the summer of >> 2018, then your 17-day tour of grief, you've brought the KEY crucial issues >> to the world to help us save your Orca family. >> >> >> >> >> > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2019 11:33:09 -0600 > From: Peter Zimowsky <rapidz(a)mac.com> > To: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> > Cc: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Disastrous trip Thanks for info > Message-ID: <D0BA448E-56AB-41C2-806C-24480DB985F6(a)mac.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > hi: > Thanks for info. Maybe a pocket cruiser isn?t for me. Heaven forbid, but do I need a Catalina 22 or something that big? Ugh? > > Pete Winter Sky > (Zimowsky) > > outdoors writer and photographer > www.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com <http://www.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com/> > Twitter: @zimosoutdoors > > > "Be with Tahlequah" > Tahlequah, you did this. From the day you lost your baby in the summer of 2018, then your 17-day tour of grief, you've brought the KEY crucial issues to the world to help us save your Orca family. > > > > >> On Aug 10, 2019, at 11:19 AM, Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Peter: >> >> First questions for you - what was 'to small'? The berth (M15's is larger), no place to sit upright? No private head? No full galley? These are things that an M17 barely will give you nare no better than on the M15. >> >> >> :: Dave Scobie >> :: M6'8" #650 >> :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com <http://sv-swallow.com/> >> :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com <http://m17-375.com/> >> :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred/ <http://www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred/> >> >> >> On Sat, Aug 10, 2019, 9:11 AM Peter Zimowsky via montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com <mailto:montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com>> wrote: >> Hi: >> we sailed the San Juans last week. My wife wanted to try camping on the boat (M15). Didn?t work out. She doesn?t like how small it is. I love the M15 and it works out for solo boaters. Should I go to a M17 or is it just as cramped? >> Problem is, my M15 is in excellent shape and trading up to a M17 could be bad because I?ve read so many stories on this thread about older boats and all the problems. I don?t want to give up a good boat for one with problems. What do you have to watch out for when looking at another boat? >> >> >> Pete Winter Sky >> (Zimowsky) >> >> outdoors writer and photographer >> www.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com <http://www.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com/> <http://www.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com/ <http://www.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com/>> >> Twitter: @zimosoutdoors >> >> >> "Be with Tahlequah" >> Tahlequah, you did this. From the day you lost your baby in the summer of 2018, then your 17-day tour of grief, you've brought the KEY crucial issues to the world to help us save your Orca family. >> >> >> >> > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2019 12:53:37 -0500 > From: Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi(a)gmail.com> > To: Peter Zimowsky <rapidz(a)mac.com>, For and about Montgomery > Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Disastrous trip Thanks for info > Message-ID: > <CA+TbpAWXObHDHAm68gvQbio2K_UBPncuP4TDOGi3H9SkTm2LoA(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > Peter, I had a Flicka 20. It was a GREAT boat for single or double > occupancy. Seaworthy as they come, toilet, stove, lots of storage, HEADROOM > and I am 6' tall!. Wait for it......it weighs 6000 pounds. You would > probably need a semi rig to haul it up a boat ramp if you could find one > steep enough. Every boat is a compromise. I sold the Flicka (very sad > day!!) because I wanted to explore "foreign waters" inland. Presently own a > 17 and yes, it is not for most women although I once had a partner who was > tougher than I was and we loved the boat----together. NOW is the time to > take your time and research, research, research. Include your wife in all > of that, if she intends to be with you in your nautical adventures. No > matter how much fun they may be they will never be fun if your mate is not > smiling. Wait for it, again, you are headed for one of the two happiest > days in a boat owner's life, the day he finds his "dreamboat". The other > day depends on how well you research before the first day. > Good luck and fair winds, > Tom, Monty 17, 1977, #258, AS-IS > > <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campai…> > Virus-free. > www.avast.com > <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campai…> > <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> > > On Sat, Aug 10, 2019 at 12:33 PM Peter Zimowsky via montgomery_boats < > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> wrote: > >> hi: >> Thanks for info. Maybe a pocket cruiser isn?t for me. Heaven forbid, but >> do I need a Catalina 22 or something that big? Ugh? >> >> Pete Winter Sky >> (Zimowsky) >> >> outdoors writer and photographer >> www.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com <http://www.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com/> >> Twitter: @zimosoutdoors >> >> >> "Be with Tahlequah" >> Tahlequah, you did this. From the day you lost your baby in the summer of >> 2018, then your 17-day tour of grief, you've brought the KEY crucial issues >> to the world to help us save your Orca family. >> >> >> >> >>> On Aug 10, 2019, at 11:19 AM, Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> Peter: >>> >>> First questions for you - what was 'to small'? The berth (M15's is >> larger), no place to sit upright? No private head? No full galley? These >> are things that an M17 barely will give you nare no better than on the M15. >>> >>> >>> :: Dave Scobie >>> :: M6'8" #650 >>> :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com <http://sv-swallow.com/> >>> :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com <http://m17-375.com/> >>> :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred/ < >> http://www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred/> >>> >>> >>> On Sat, Aug 10, 2019, 9:11 AM Peter Zimowsky via montgomery_boats < >> montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com <mailto: >> montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com>> wrote: >>> Hi: >>> we sailed the San Juans last week. My wife wanted to try camping on the >> boat (M15). Didn?t work out. She doesn?t like how small it is. I love the >> M15 and it works out for solo boaters. Should I go to a M17 or is it just >> as cramped? >>> Problem is, my M15 is in excellent shape and trading up to a M17 could >> be bad because I?ve read so many stories on this thread about older boats >> and all the problems. I don?t want to give up a good boat for one with >> problems. What do you have to watch out for when looking at another boat? >>> >>> >>> Pete Winter Sky >>> (Zimowsky) >>> >>> outdoors writer and photographer >>> www.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com <http://www.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com/> < >> http://www.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com/ <http://www.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com/ >>>> >>> Twitter: @zimosoutdoors >>> >>> >>> "Be with Tahlequah" >>> Tahlequah, you did this. From the day you lost your baby in the summer >> of 2018, then your 17-day tour of grief, you've brought the KEY crucial >> issues to the world to help us save your Orca family. >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> > > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > montgomery_boats mailing list > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > https://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet! > > > ------------------------------ > > End of montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 198, Issue 3 > ************************************************

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Reefing the Mainsail
by Jason Leckie 12 Aug '19

12 Aug '19

Hi All, A couple times now when leaving from port on the Gulf Islands side to cross Georgia Strait, I have left with a reef in the main. Both times, once I have gone through Active Pass and gotten out in the Strait I have found that the reef is unnecessary and I have then removed it. My reefing both times didn't quite look correct but it did the job. My question is, on my boom, a stainless steel 'loop' in the shape of a C is on one side of the boom and on the other side of the boom is a loop in the shape of a J. These loops appear to line up with the reef lines. Is this a standard setup on the Montgomery's and how is the reef line meant to be tied off to these (or are they for something else?) Thank you for your replies. Jason Leckie 'Kuma' 1980 Montgomery 17 Point Roberts, WA / Vancouver, BC

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Re: M_Boats: Disastrous Trip
by brad kurlancheek 12 Aug '19

12 Aug '19

Ahh, women, what're you gonna do! Consider yourself blessed. Now you get to have your Monty all to yourself! Cheers On Sat, Aug 10, 2019 at 2:01 PM < montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com> wrote: > Send montgomery_boats mailing list submissions to > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > https://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > montgomery_boats-owner(a)mailman.xmission.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of montgomery_boats digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Disastrous trip (Peter Zimowsky) > 2. Re: Disastrous trip (John Schinnerer) > 3. Re: Disastrous trip (Dave Scobie) > 4. Re: Disastrous trip Thanks for info (Peter Zimowsky) > 5. Re: Disastrous trip Thanks for info (Thomas Buzzi) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2019 10:10:40 -0600 > From: Peter Zimowsky <rapidz(a)mac.com> > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Subject: M_Boats: Disastrous trip > Message-ID: <6C0BB6C2-620F-4CE6-B8D7-1AA1E23538D1(a)mac.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > Hi: > we sailed the San Juans last week. My wife wanted to try camping on the > boat (M15). Didn?t work out. She doesn?t like how small it is. I love the > M15 and it works out for solo boaters. Should I go to a M17 or is it just > as cramped? > Problem is, my M15 is in excellent shape and trading up to a M17 could be > bad because I?ve read so many stories on this thread about older boats and > all the problems. I don?t want to give up a good boat for one with > problems. What do you have to watch out for when looking at another boat? > > > Pete Winter Sky > (Zimowsky) > > outdoors writer and photographer > www.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com <http://www.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com/> > Twitter: @zimosoutdoors > > > "Be with Tahlequah" > Tahlequah, you did this. From the day you lost your baby in the summer of > 2018, then your 17-day tour of grief, you've brought the KEY crucial issues > to the world to help us save your Orca family. > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2019 10:07:09 -0700 > From: John Schinnerer <john(a)eco-living.net> > To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Disastrous trip > Message-ID: <9d8cdbc2-3510-f50a-d07a-5841e55cb466(a)eco-living.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > > Having an M17 and having been on two different M15s, I will say the M17 > is quite a bit roomier. The cockpit, the cabin, the foredeck...amazing > how much more volume two feet of length and more beam provides. > > And, 'roomier' is relative - it's still a 'pocket' cruiser. > > I would say a first step would be to visit an M17 somewhere in person > and feel the difference - your wife as well as you. > > The main concern with older M17s in particular is swelling in the keel, > locking the CB from moving down and up. From the steel punchings used as > ballast in early years. They can rust enough to swell enough to do that, > if water has gotten into the keel. > I don't recall when it switched to lead, someone here probably does. > > Other than that, just the usual stuff on an older boat, not specific to > an M17. Rigging, hardware, wear and tear, etc. > > cheers, > John > > > > On 8/10/19 9:10 AM, Peter Zimowsky via montgomery_boats wrote: > > Hi: > > we sailed the San Juans last week. My wife wanted to try camping on the > boat (M15). Didn?t work out. She doesn?t like how small it is. I love the > M15 and it works out for solo boaters. Should I go to a M17 or is it just > as cramped? > > Problem is, my M15 is in excellent shape and trading up to a M17 could > be bad because I?ve read so many stories on this thread about older boats > and all the problems. I don?t want to give up a good boat for one with > problems. What do you have to watch out for when looking at another boat? > > > > > > Pete Winter Sky > > (Zimowsky) > > > > outdoors writer and photographer > > www.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com <http://www.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com/> > > Twitter: @zimosoutdoors > > > > > > "Be with Tahlequah" > > Tahlequah, you did this. From the day you lost your baby in the summer > of 2018, then your 17-day tour of grief, you've brought the KEY crucial > issues to the world to help us save your Orca family. > > > > > > > > > > -- > John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design > -------------------------------------------- > - Eco-Living - > Whole Systems Design Services > People - Place - Learning - Integration > john(a)eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 > http://eco-living.net > http://sociocracyconsulting.com > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2019 10:19:45 -0700 > From: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> > To: Peter Zimowsky <rapidz(a)mac.com>, For and about Montgomery > Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Disastrous trip > Message-ID: > < > CAGjBOA5dYkOE8--3_bS6OEV3iDc38SLSG5hCis4GPFfJj6i7Wg(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > Peter: > > First questions for you - what was 'to small'? The berth (M15's is > larger), no place to sit upright? No private head? No full galley? These > are things that an M17 barely will give you nare no better than on the M15. > > > :: Dave Scobie > :: M6'8" #650 > :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com > :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com > :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred/ > > > On Sat, Aug 10, 2019, 9:11 AM Peter Zimowsky via montgomery_boats < > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> wrote: > > > Hi: > > we sailed the San Juans last week. My wife wanted to try camping on the > > boat (M15). Didn?t work out. She doesn?t like how small it is. I love the > > M15 and it works out for solo boaters. Should I go to a M17 or is it just > > as cramped? > > Problem is, my M15 is in excellent shape and trading up to a M17 could be > > bad because I?ve read so many stories on this thread about older boats > and > > all the problems. I don?t want to give up a good boat for one with > > problems. What do you have to watch out for when looking at another boat? > > > > > > Pete Winter Sky > > (Zimowsky) > > > > outdoors writer and photographer > > www.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com <http://www.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com/> > > Twitter: @zimosoutdoors > > > > > > "Be with Tahlequah" > > Tahlequah, you did this. From the day you lost your baby in the summer of > > 2018, then your 17-day tour of grief, you've brought the KEY crucial > issues > > to the world to help us save your Orca family. > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2019 11:33:09 -0600 > From: Peter Zimowsky <rapidz(a)mac.com> > To: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> > Cc: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Disastrous trip Thanks for info > Message-ID: <D0BA448E-56AB-41C2-806C-24480DB985F6(a)mac.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > hi: > Thanks for info. Maybe a pocket cruiser isn?t for me. Heaven forbid, but > do I need a Catalina 22 or something that big? Ugh? > > Pete Winter Sky > (Zimowsky) > > outdoors writer and photographer > www.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com <http://www.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com/> > Twitter: @zimosoutdoors > > > "Be with Tahlequah" > Tahlequah, you did this. From the day you lost your baby in the summer of > 2018, then your 17-day tour of grief, you've brought the KEY crucial issues > to the world to help us save your Orca family. > > > > > > On Aug 10, 2019, at 11:19 AM, Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > Peter: > > > > First questions for you - what was 'to small'? The berth (M15's is > larger), no place to sit upright? No private head? No full galley? These > are things that an M17 barely will give you nare no better than on the M15. > > > > > > :: Dave Scobie > > :: M6'8" #650 > > :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com <http://sv-swallow.com/> > > :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com <http://m17-375.com/> > > :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred/ < > http://www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred/> > > > > > > On Sat, Aug 10, 2019, 9:11 AM Peter Zimowsky via montgomery_boats < > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com <mailto: > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com>> wrote: > > Hi: > > we sailed the San Juans last week. My wife wanted to try camping on the > boat (M15). Didn?t work out. She doesn?t like how small it is. I love the > M15 and it works out for solo boaters. Should I go to a M17 or is it just > as cramped? > > Problem is, my M15 is in excellent shape and trading up to a M17 could > be bad because I?ve read so many stories on this thread about older boats > and all the problems. I don?t want to give up a good boat for one with > problems. What do you have to watch out for when looking at another boat? > > > > > > Pete Winter Sky > > (Zimowsky) > > > > outdoors writer and photographer > > www.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com <http://www.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com/> < > http://www.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com/ <http://www.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com/ > >> > > Twitter: @zimosoutdoors > > > > > > "Be with Tahlequah" > > Tahlequah, you did this. From the day you lost your baby in the summer > of 2018, then your 17-day tour of grief, you've brought the KEY crucial > issues to the world to help us save your Orca family. > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2019 12:53:37 -0500 > From: Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi(a)gmail.com> > To: Peter Zimowsky <rapidz(a)mac.com>, For and about Montgomery > Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Disastrous trip Thanks for info > Message-ID: > < > CA+TbpAWXObHDHAm68gvQbio2K_UBPncuP4TDOGi3H9SkTm2LoA(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > Peter, I had a Flicka 20. It was a GREAT boat for single or double > occupancy. Seaworthy as they come, toilet, stove, lots of storage, HEADROOM > and I am 6' tall!. Wait for it......it weighs 6000 pounds. You would > probably need a semi rig to haul it up a boat ramp if you could find one > steep enough. Every boat is a compromise. I sold the Flicka (very sad > day!!) because I wanted to explore "foreign waters" inland. Presently own a > 17 and yes, it is not for most women although I once had a partner who was > tougher than I was and we loved the boat----together. NOW is the time to > take your time and research, research, research. Include your wife in all > of that, if she intends to be with you in your nautical adventures. No > matter how much fun they may be they will never be fun if your mate is not > smiling. Wait for it, again, you are headed for one of the two happiest > days in a boat owner's life, the day he finds his "dreamboat". The other > day depends on how well you research before the first day. > Good luck and fair winds, > Tom, Monty 17, 1977, #258, AS-IS > > < > https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campai… > > > Virus-free. > www.avast.com > < > https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campai… > > > <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> > > On Sat, Aug 10, 2019 at 12:33 PM Peter Zimowsky via montgomery_boats < > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> wrote: > > > hi: > > Thanks for info. Maybe a pocket cruiser isn?t for me. Heaven forbid, but > > do I need a Catalina 22 or something that big? Ugh? > > > > Pete Winter Sky > > (Zimowsky) > > > > outdoors writer and photographer > > www.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com <http://www.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com/> > > Twitter: @zimosoutdoors > > > > > > "Be with Tahlequah" > > Tahlequah, you did this. From the day you lost your baby in the summer of > > 2018, then your 17-day tour of grief, you've brought the KEY crucial > issues > > to the world to help us save your Orca family. > > > > > > > > > > > On Aug 10, 2019, at 11:19 AM, Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > > > Peter: > > > > > > First questions for you - what was 'to small'? The berth (M15's is > > larger), no place to sit upright? No private head? No full galley? These > > are things that an M17 barely will give you nare no better than on the > M15. > > > > > > > > > :: Dave Scobie > > > :: M6'8" #650 > > > :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com <http://sv-swallow.com/> > > > :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com <http://m17-375.com/> > > > :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred/ < > > http://www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred/> > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Aug 10, 2019, 9:11 AM Peter Zimowsky via montgomery_boats < > > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com <mailto: > > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com>> wrote: > > > Hi: > > > we sailed the San Juans last week. My wife wanted to try camping on the > > boat (M15). Didn?t work out. She doesn?t like how small it is. I love the > > M15 and it works out for solo boaters. Should I go to a M17 or is it just > > as cramped? > > > Problem is, my M15 is in excellent shape and trading up to a M17 could > > be bad because I?ve read so many stories on this thread about older boats > > and all the problems. I don?t want to give up a good boat for one with > > problems. What do you have to watch out for when looking at another boat? > > > > > > > > > Pete Winter Sky > > > (Zimowsky) > > > > > > outdoors writer and photographer > > > www.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com <http://www.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com/> < > > http://www.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com/ < > http://www.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com/ > > >> > > > Twitter: @zimosoutdoors > > > > > > > > > "Be with Tahlequah" > > > Tahlequah, you did this. From the day you lost your baby in the summer > > of 2018, then your 17-day tour of grief, you've brought the KEY crucial > > issues to the world to help us save your Orca family. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > montgomery_boats mailing list > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > https://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet! > > > ------------------------------ > > End of montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 198, Issue 3 > ************************************************ >

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Disastrous trip
by Peter Zimowsky 11 Aug '19

11 Aug '19

Hi: we sailed the San Juans last week. My wife wanted to try camping on the boat (M15). Didn’t work out. She doesn’t like how small it is. I love the M15 and it works out for solo boaters. Should I go to a M17 or is it just as cramped? Problem is, my M15 is in excellent shape and trading up to a M17 could be bad because I’ve read so many stories on this thread about older boats and all the problems. I don’t want to give up a good boat for one with problems. What do you have to watch out for when looking at another boat? Pete Winter Sky (Zimowsky) outdoors writer and photographer www.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com <http://www.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com/> Twitter: @zimosoutdoors "Be with Tahlequah" Tahlequah, you did this. From the day you lost your baby in the summer of 2018, then your 17-day tour of grief, you've brought the KEY crucial issues to the world to help us save your Orca family.

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Any pics of cunningham/downhaul setup on M17?
by John Schinnerer 30 Jul '19

30 Jul '19

Hi all, Just curious what anyone has for a cunningham/downhaul setup on their M17. Pics if ya got 'em. Looked through pics I have saved from list, but nothing much shows that part of rig. Now that I have the mast gate I can use tack reefing lines easily. I had just been using one of those cleats for a downhaul line tied to eye on gooseneck. I see that in another pic someone posted long ago. But now I need a separate setup. Thinking of just putting another v-cleat further down the mast...nothing fancy, no racing setups with multiple blocks etc. Ideas welcome... thanks, John -- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john(a)eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com

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M-15 balance
by Rusty Knorr 25 Jul '19

25 Jul '19

I’m wondering about the rudder balance on my M-15. Under power when I let go of the tiller the boat immediately falls off with the helm going hard over and the boat spinning in circles. It makes singlehanding very difficult when you can’t let go of the tiller for even one second to raise or drop sail or grab something out of the cabin. I have a line for securing the tiller, but even centered the boat doesn’t want to hold a course and is always trying to fall off one direction or the other. Factory kickup rudder. Any thoughts or observations from M-15 owners? (And I have to say this every time...No 17’s please! They are completely different boats!) Rusty on Vanilla www.rustyknorr.weebly.com

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Re: M_Boats: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 197, Issue 16
by Judy Laing 24 Jul '19

24 Jul '19

Re the mainsheet for not-so-strong people, I found that I needed a 5 to 1 setup to be able to sheet the main in on the windiest days. But I am an older woman who often single-handed my M-17. Judy On Tue, Jul 23, 2019 at 11:01 AM < montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com> wrote: > Send montgomery_boats mailing list submissions to > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > https://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > montgomery_boats-owner(a)mailman.xmission.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of montgomery_boats digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. traveler and main sheet (Gerry Lempicki) > 2. Re: traveler and main sheet (John Schinnerer) > 3. Re: traveler and main sheet (John Schinnerer) > 4. Re: traveler and main sheet (John Schinnerer) > 5. Re: traveler and main sheet (Gerry Lempicki) > 6. Re: traveler and main sheet (John Schinnerer) > 7. Re: traveler and main sheet (John Schinnerer) > 8. Re: traveler and main sheet (Gerry Lempicki) > 9. Re: traveler and main sheet (Henry Rodriguez) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2019 00:38:29 +0000 (UTC) > From: Gerry Lempicki <ka1stz(a)yahoo.com> > To: For and About Montgomery Sailboats > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Subject: M_Boats: traveler and main sheet > Message-ID: <1101264595.3123610.1563842309984(a)mail.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > OK, as I learn more I see the benefit of improving the traveler to a ball > bearing unit that is easily adjustable.? Mine must be original as it has > detents to pin it in place, and doesn't adjust or slide easily.? I've read > Jerry's post about the ball bearing traveler, and I want to make sure I > understand before I buy parts or drill holes.? It sounds like one end of > the control line anchors to a strap eye mounted on a side of the cockpit, > goes around a sheave on the car, back through a Harken H 83 block (what is > this?? I can't find anything with this H 83 designation.? Some sort of > vertical mounted block?), to the v-cleat mounted above, then leave some > slack control line, and head to the other side by a v-cleat, through Harken > block, around sheave on car and back to a strap eye.? Is that correct?? Any > corrections to this or details on the block would be appreciated.? I > checked the photosite, but didn't see anything showing this. > Regarding the mainsheet, we're finding that in winds above 15mph or so, my > wife can't easily release or pull in the mainsheet.? She not wimpy either, > although she does have some titanium plate and screws in a forearm that > causes some discomfort at those loads.? And I admit it's got some good > force on it.? In the past I've read about people increasing the mechanical > advantage, but I couldn't find anything specific when recently searching.? > Are you changing all blocks to some other configuration?? A split system?? > Any thoughts here would be appreciated too.? I want to set this up so Robin > can operate helm or headsail/jib comfortably.Thanks!? (again) LOLGerry > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2019 18:12:46 -0700 > From: John Schinnerer <john(a)eco-living.net> > To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > Subject: Re: M_Boats: traveler and main sheet > Message-ID: <c0b9a87d-008f-1022-349a-7a279a473264(a)eco-living.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > > Re this part: > > On 7/22/19 5:38 PM, Gerry Lempicki via montgomery_boats wrote: > ... > > Regarding the mainsheet, we're finding that in winds above 15mph or so, > my wife can't easily release or pull in the mainsheet.? She not wimpy > either, although she does have some titanium plate and screws in a forearm > that causes some discomfort at those loads.? And I admit it's got some good > force on it.? In the past I've read about people increasing the mechanical > advantage, but I couldn't find anything specific when recently searching.? > Are you changing all blocks to some other configuration?? A split system?? > Any thoughts here would be appreciated too.... > > My M17 came with a mainsheet having only three turns (3:1, or a "three > part" as some jargon goes). Same as yours I believe, from the pics you > posted. > > It was like yours not enough mechanical advantage for a decently stiff > wind, with mid-boom sheeting on the early M17s (the lever you are > pulling on is shorter with mid-boom sheeting - a 3:1 at end of boom > would probably be plenty as the lever is about twice as long). > > I changed it to a 4:1, or "four part" - requires a new block at both > traveler and boom. > > Luckily for me, the extra tackle that came with my M17 included an > additional block for the traveler end that would provide 4:1. I only > needed to buy a new boom block. > > The boom end is way cheaper...I got a decent Barton 2-sheave block for > about $28. The traveler end, for a quality block with cam cleat and > adjustable cleat angle, is hundreds of dollars I imagine. > > Description...I may have some pics, will take a look... > > OLD > Sheet is fast to becket (a becket is an attachment point for a line on a > block) on boom block. Goes down around first sheave on traveler block (1 > of 3), up around boom block (2 of 3), down around second sheave on > traveler block (3 of 3) and through cam cleat. > > NEW > Sheet is fast to becket on traveler block. Goes up around first sheave > on boom block (1 of 4), down around first sheave on traveler block (2 of > 4), up around second sheave on boom block (3 of 4), down around second > sheave on traveler block (4 of 4) and through cam cleat. > > This is a lot better, is my personal experience! Still a strong pull in > stiff winds, but much better than the 3:1. > > Depending on where your boom bail is now, you may be able to move it aft > a bit also. Not a lot or sheet will get in the way of bodies in cockpit. > But mine came attached more forward than necessary, looked like it had > been moved at least one time a bit more forward (no idea why). I moved > it back to a few inches aft of what I'm guessing was the original location. > Point being, every little bit aft gives you a longer lever that the > sheet is pulling on, reducing the force on sheet by some amount. > > cheers, > John > > > -- > John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design > -------------------------------------------- > - Eco-Living - > Whole Systems Design Services > People - Place - Learning - Integration > john(a)eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 > http://eco-living.net > http://sociocracyconsulting.com > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2019 18:57:44 -0700 > From: John Schinnerer <john(a)eco-living.net> > To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > Subject: Re: M_Boats: traveler and main sheet > Message-ID: <b2e876f2-99d1-7776-8824-3f285738bc89(a)eco-living.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; Format="flowed" > > Here's a pic of my current setup, 4-part a.k.a 4:1, main sheet. > If you view full size you ought to be able to see the detail of the > traveler block with becket, and 2-sheave boom block. > > In my prior setup, the becket was on the boom block and boom block had > only one sheave. Presumably how yours is now. > > It's nearly side-on so you can see the approximate boom bail placement > as well. Sheet has a very slight rearward angle. Bail is a bit aft > (maybe 6", I'd have to go measure) of where it was when I got the boat > (but there were holes back in that vicinity so I guessed it had been > moved forward for some reason). > > cheers, > John > > On 7/22/19 6:12 PM, John Schinnerer wrote: > > Re this part: > > > > On 7/22/19 5:38 PM, Gerry Lempicki via montgomery_boats wrote: > > ... > >> Regarding the mainsheet, we're finding that in winds above 15mph or > >> so, my wife can't easily release or pull in the mainsheet.? She not > >> wimpy either, although she does have some titanium plate and screws in > >> a forearm that causes some discomfort at those loads.? And I admit > >> it's got some good force on it.? In the past I've read about people > >> increasing the mechanical advantage, but I couldn't find anything > >> specific when recently searching.? Are you changing all blocks to some > >> other configuration?? A split system?? Any thoughts here would be > >> appreciated too.... > > > > My M17 came with a mainsheet having only three turns (3:1, or a "three > > part" as some jargon goes). Same as yours I believe, from the pics you > > posted. > > > > It was like yours not enough mechanical advantage for a decently stiff > > wind, with mid-boom sheeting on the early M17s (the lever you are > > pulling on is shorter with mid-boom sheeting - a 3:1 at end of boom > > would probably be plenty as the lever is about twice as long). > > > > I changed it to a 4:1, or "four part" - requires a new block at both > > traveler and boom. > > > > Luckily for me, the extra tackle that came with my M17 included an > > additional block for the traveler end that would provide 4:1. I only > > needed to buy a new boom block. > > > > The boom end is way cheaper...I got a decent Barton 2-sheave block for > > about $28. The traveler end, for a quality block with cam cleat and > > adjustable cleat angle, is hundreds of dollars I imagine. > > > > Description...I may have some pics, will take a look... > > > > OLD > > Sheet is fast to becket (a becket is an attachment point for a line on a > > block) on boom block. Goes down around first sheave on traveler block (1 > > of 3), up around boom block (2 of 3), down around second sheave on > > traveler block (3 of 3) and through cam cleat. > > > > NEW > > Sheet is fast to becket on traveler block. Goes up around first sheave > > on boom block (1 of 4), down around first sheave on traveler block (2 of > > 4), up around second sheave on boom block (3 of 4), down around second > > sheave on traveler block (4 of 4) and through cam cleat. > > > > This is a lot better, is my personal experience! Still a strong pull in > > stiff winds, but much better than the 3:1. > > > > Depending on where your boom bail is now, you may be able to move it aft > > a bit also. Not a lot or sheet will get in the way of bodies in cockpit. > > But mine came attached more forward than necessary, looked like it had > > been moved at least one time a bit more forward (no idea why). I moved > > it back to a few inches aft of what I'm guessing was the original > location. > > Point being, every little bit aft gives you a longer lever that the > > sheet is pulling on, reducing the force on sheet by some amount. > > > > cheers, > > John > > > > > > -- > John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design > -------------------------------------------- > - Eco-Living - > Whole Systems Design Services > People - Place - Learning - Integration > john(a)eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 > http://eco-living.net > http://sociocracyconsulting.com >

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traveler and main sheet
by Gerry Lempicki 23 Jul '19

23 Jul '19

OK, as I learn more I see the benefit of improving the traveler to a ball bearing unit that is easily adjustable. Mine must be original as it has detents to pin it in place, and doesn't adjust or slide easily. I've read Jerry's post about the ball bearing traveler, and I want to make sure I understand before I buy parts or drill holes. It sounds like one end of the control line anchors to a strap eye mounted on a side of the cockpit, goes around a sheave on the car, back through a Harken H 83 block (what is this? I can't find anything with this H 83 designation. Some sort of vertical mounted block?), to the v-cleat mounted above, then leave some slack control line, and head to the other side by a v-cleat, through Harken block, around sheave on car and back to a strap eye. Is that correct? Any corrections to this or details on the block would be appreciated. I checked the photosite, but didn't see anything showing this. Regarding the mainsheet, we're finding that in winds above 15mph or so, my wife can't easily release or pull in the mainsheet. She not wimpy either, although she does have some titanium plate and screws in a forearm that causes some discomfort at those loads. And I admit it's got some good force on it. In the past I've read about people increasing the mechanical advantage, but I couldn't find anything specific when recently searching. Are you changing all blocks to some other configuration? A split system? Any thoughts here would be appreciated too. I want to set this up so Robin can operate helm or headsail/jib comfortably.Thanks! (again) LOLGerry

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M17 boom profile?
by Gerry Lempicki 22 Jul '19

22 Jul '19

Hi everyone, Well we have been having a blast on our resurrected M17, sailing 42+ hours in the last 2.5 weeks. We've had great conditions and fantastic help. One thing we noticed was that we have a tight "pleat" or vertical line forming in the mainsail above the block attachment point for the main sheet. I don't imagine this is very efficient. Tonight we took the boom off and brought it home. I put a 7' straightedge/level against it, and found there was a 3/8" gap between the boom and the straightedge over the attachment point, so the boom has been stressed and bent. Does anyone know who made this profile and if it is currently available? It measures roughly 2-1/8" x 2-3/4" (not exact), and I don't see anything similar on Dwyer's site. For now I clamped it to my welding bench and was able to carefully persuade it to straighten out. I don't see any cracks, etc, but if it bends again I'll want to replace it. If I change the profile, I assume I'll need a new gooseneck and other hardware.Also, if you have blocks to redirect clew reefing lines on your boom, what size/model do you have? I'm wondering if these are strong enough for this purpose. https://www.defender.com/product.jsp?name=harken-22-mm-micro-block-cheek-bl… kind of loads are on blocks for reefing lines? The above are rated to 200lbs. Thanks!-Gerry

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Pocket Yacht Palooza
by Rusty Knorr 21 Jul '19

21 Jul '19

Hi Steve, It’s even worse than that...I’m sitting on the hook in gorgeous Mats Mats Bay after a beautiful sleigh ride downwind run on a single tack, and I’m the only Palooza boat here. Pretty f’ing lonely after sailing with 100+ friends on the S100! 😞😭 Rusty on Vanilla www.rustyknorr.weebly.com > On Jul 21, 2019, at 11:00 AM, montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com wrote: > > Pocket Yacht Palooza

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