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Subject: Fuel transfer at ses
by David Grah 06 Nov '21

06 Nov '21

We use a 3.5 gallon (sometimes a 6 gallon) plastic fuel tank secured in the back of the cockpit. We use a rubber fuel hose with a rubber bulb pump to pump fuel from the plastic tank through a modified fuel cap on the motor and periodically fill the tank on the motor. The cap is modified by drilling a hole in the middle of it and screwing in a fitting to take the rubber hose. We usually get a couple of hours on a tank in the motor so end up pumping it full every hour or so if we are motoring continuously. Usually takes 10 to 30 squeezes of the bulb to fill the tank back up. It is a system I learned about in this forum and works great. David GrahBishop CaliforniaMontgomery 15 Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2021 04:09:44 +0000 From: Jim Sadler <jimsadler(a)jascopacific.com> Subject: M_Boats: Fuel transfer at ses To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Message-ID: <BY5PR13MB3859156E1A7AA57D6CB16EABD58E9(a)BY5PR13MB3859.nam prd13.prod.outlook.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" How do you add fuel to outboard motor in rough sea? Capt Jim SV Pelican M15 Get Outlook for iOS<https://aka.ms/o0ukef> ------------------------------

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Re: Subject: Fuel transfer at ses
by David Grah 06 Nov '21

06 Nov '21

We secure our tank with a strap to a folding pad eye (if that is the correct term) I put in the back bottom of the cockpit. When the tank is in the boat we leave the vent open the whole time. If we're not on a trip, the tank is out of the boat. Sometimes I accidentally leave the tank in the sun off the boat with the vent closed and it seems to just puff up without obvious damage or leaks. I usually don't store the tank with gas in it for long. David Grah Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2021 09:03:26 -0700 From: Alex Conley <conley.alex(a)gmail.com> Subject: M_Boats: Re: Subject: Fuel transfer at ses To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Message-ID: <CACj3+t+SD0fnoHoDVEVEZC_sEL6gLw6VpzbsORer=HMceRdA_A(a)mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Dave n others, how are you securing the fuel tank in the back of the cockpit (added eyes for a bungee?) and what do you do to vent the tank and keep it from heating up in the sun- just leave the vent open all the time? Or some kind of pressure valve? I’d love a setup I could leave in place but given our sunny berth and the m15s lack of an isolated gas locker, I take the gas can home after every sail. Daydream of a wooden locker that would fit in stern where I could leave tank out of sun, but can’t decide if it’s over complicating things. Thanks other Dave for the detailed notes on fuel usage-that went straight to my boat notes for future trip planning! Alex

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Re: M15 outboard HP
by Dave Scobie 06 Nov '21

06 Nov '21

Jim: Is your outboard a Honda 2? The Honda 2 will easily, as other have stayed, motor the M15 at 4-4.5 knots. I've used a Honda 2 on a Sage 17 that weighs 450#-ish. More than a M15 at 4.5knots at 1/2-throttle. M15 is a non-planing hull. :: Dave Scobie :: M6'8" #650 :: Baba 30 #233 DEJA VU :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - m15namedscred.wordpress.com <<-- new site! On Sat, Nov 6, 2021, 3:49 AM Jim Sadler <jimsadler(a)jascopacific.com> wrote: Any skippers know the hull speed of M15? My 2 hp will get the Pelican to 3.5 knts. To exceed hull speed would require that the vessel plane any exponentially more HP. That is my understanding Capt Jim

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Fuel transfer at ses
by Jim Sadler 05 Nov '21

05 Nov '21

How do you add fuel to outboard motor in rough sea? Capt Jim SV Pelican M15 Get Outlook for iOS<https://aka.ms/o0ukef>

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Jib
by Peter Zimowsky 04 Nov '21

04 Nov '21

Hi folks: For years when I’m coming into the dock under sail, I’ve dropped the jib and come in on the main sail. Now I’m hearing people that you don’t drop the jib. What’s the consensus? Thanks, Pete WinterSky (Zimowsky) San Juan Islander lost inland - an old salty stuck in the sagebrush outdoors writer and photographer Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/pzimowsky Twitter: @zimosoutdoors The Northwest Outdoors Journey: https://outdoorsnorthwest.home.blog/2019/03/13/the-journey-begins/ "We Can Not Control the Wind But We Can Adjust Our Sails"

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Anchoring m 15
by sheppardtb 03 Nov '21

03 Nov '21

I have a M 15 and would like " blow by blow" on anchoring from cockpit.Dave Scobie and others might help me out.Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device

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Historical M17 mainsail trivia
by John Schinnerer 02 Nov '21

02 Nov '21

My M17 hull #38 came with a used/newer North Sails main in reasonably good shape. It also came with what I believed was the original main, which was already folded up nicely. Since it was boltrope instead of slugs like the North, and felt pretty soft, and I didn't have a good space at the time to open it up and check it out, and wasn't going to use it, it has remained folded and stored, until earlier this evening. In attempting to put it in a storage bin, I was reminded that it still had the battens in, and I couldn't fold it the way I wanted so it would fit in the bin. I opened it up and found the battens sewn in (pockets sewn shut at leach end). I also found the label, which shows it's an original Reggie Armstrong main - with one deep reef, three battens, nylon plastic head reinforcement plate, and a big letter "M" (no "17" though). And, I had seen the number "8" on an exposed fold when I first got it, so I figured it had "38" on it to match my hull number. But it turns out it has only "8" on it (both sides of sail). No sign of a "3" ever being there next to the "8". So I'm guessing it's the original Reggie Armstrong main for M17 hull #8...? How it ended up with #38, who knows...if anyone has #8 and wants to claim it for historical purposes, just let me know! ;-) cheers, John -- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john(a)eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com

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Re: M17s are regatta boats
by Charles Adams 31 Oct '21

31 Oct '21

Comment why I think M17 is a regatta boat. I was living and sailing in TX when the M17 first started production. I was sailing regattas at the time. The M17s I seen sailed with a crew of 2-3 and seem to always win. The one, 2005, I bought three years ago was sailed only in regattas. My little experience with it and based on previous boats I’ve owned it is the most tender. Maybe I’m spoiled from balancing my Lugger and it stays there. Tanzer 22 also. Different boats different purpose. I believe a tender boat is what you want for racing. I crewed on J boats when they were the hottest thing in regattas and never knew anyone try to sail one singlehanded. The J’s were certainly regatta boats. For me the M17/cockpit seats appear lower than other boats I’ve owned. That makes changing sides more difficult. I’m 5’8” and not as agile as I wish. Having written all that the boat is still to new for me to give any fair comment on the M17. My comment on regatta boat was a casual comment made like when drinking beer when you are most smart. I don’t drink beer for that reason. Certainly apologize to Jerry if I have misrepresented his boat. Of course if it isn’t a regatta boat why has it been able to win so often against bigger boats. I also say any boat is what you want to be. What I have done to mine since my plan is to enjoy the boat. Frist is get rid of the roller fulling and agree with Tyler with his comments on its effect. Have not sailed without the roller fuller which I think is to heavy and makes the boat out of balance with only my weight. I have changed the winches to Harkin 15s because my first and most dislike of the boat were the winches. Controlling the boat with fuller totally out with the winches was close to impossible. Another reason for my comment of regatta boat and crew. Because of cockpit configuration I cut 10” off tiller because it was restricting my movement. Use a tiller extension. I then decided what the hell and installed a Simrad TP10 AP. I sailed a Catalina 320 singled handed a number of years made easy with AP. First thing I did on M17 was run all lines to cockpit. I’m in the process of installing a raising and lowering system for mast I seen on YouTube. As I wrote I don’t want to be in a marina. Everything I do is to make it so I never want another person on the boat. I have a great wife and kids but my boat time is my alone time and I don’t need someone to talk with all the time. I will give you a report on how all I’ve done in the spring. Confident it will all come together. Expecting snow in upper NY next week. Appreciate the the opportunity to clarify my comment and would like any comments on what I am doing with my M17. Name of Boat, Who Dares. Comes from motto, total motto is Who Dares Wins, of a special British unit, SAS, I served in where I trained with John Ridgeway, 1967, who with Blyth had just finished rowing across the Atlantic in 1966. A 20 ft plywood boat taking 92 days. Interesting to hear about it and most interesting was amount of money they made. Thanks Dave. Charlie Sent from my iPad > On Oct 29, 2021, at 1:22 PM, Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Charlie: > > M17 designed for regatta sailing not for single handing? I don't understand > your comment. Please add some detail so I can better understand your point > of view. > > Thanks. > > > :: Dave Scobie > :: M6'8" #650 > :: Baba 30 #233 DEJA VU > :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com <<-- FOR SALE! > :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com > :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - m15namedscred.wordpress.com <<-- new site! > > > On Fri, Oct 29, 2021, 6:25 AM Charles Adams via montgomery_boats < > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> wrote: > I agree with all Tyler’s comments concerning roller fullering. I sailed a > Tanzer 22 many years starting on Puget Sound, Chesapeake, and Lake Ontario > with only a jib. Then owned a new Catalina 320 with roller fullering that > worked good but had problems. Boat that size roller fullering a must but > never comes down or up. I bought my M17 three years ago and it had a roller > fuller. The first time l launched boat, wife and I, was a horror story and > by standers had to help us. Heavy is an understatement especially getting > mast in step. Went into Marina. Second season same problem and I stopped > trying and went to a Marina for help. Didn’t sail much first season because > of broken shoulder. Second year more sailing but never liked the roller for > all the reasons Tyler gave. I do not like marinas but because of roller > fuller forget trailering. The boat was used for racing on Chesapeake. This > season I will trailer and use only a jib and a 130 if I want it. > > Simplicity is the only way. I’ve been sailing a Drascombe Lugger I bought > at factory in England 40 years ago. It’s been all over Europe, plus all the > places I had the Tanzer. It has a very simple roller fuller and never an > issue. > > I bought the M17 for cabin. I’ve added a number of things to my M17 making > it easy for single handing but as I type this I am off and on about just > selling. What stops me is I have put a lot of money into it making > upgrades. It’s a 2005 and returned to better than new as far as I am > concerned. So far the M17 is not what I expected but have enjoyed working > on it at the expense of sailing. I know it was designed for the regatta > world which for me means crew. I will only sail singlehanded and have no > interest in a crew. > > Charlie

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Beating Out of a J Shaped Cove against Strong Westerlies
by brad kurlancheek 31 Oct '21

31 Oct '21

This was 2 weeks ago. Picture a J shaped cove, with winds from the west, 15 to 20, gusting 30. I was anchored with my M15 at the bottom of the scoop, and so had good enough protection from those westerlies. But it was time to go. My goal was to sail out of the scoop of the J, northwest, then turn left 180 to 210 degrees, to come around outside the bottom of the J, and have an easy run eastward for several miles. I couldn't recall ever sailing solo in that kind of wind before. I double reefed before weighing anchor. Looked at the whitecaps forming, out there, beyond the scoop. Left the jib down, secured to hull, in its jib bag. Bad idea. Once I climbed high enough northwestwards inside the J for the westerlies to hit in earnest, I found I could no longer tack. Ahull to the wind - as I had no motor - mainsheet loose, I raised the jib. By that time (had to go forward to remove the jib cover!) we'd nearly drifted back to where we'd started. Began tacking back and forth, and to my delight we were actually making progress to windward, tack by tack, more and more up out of the bottom scoop of the J. Once high enough, there was only one tack where I had to chicken gybe, as I couldn't complete the tack against the 20 to 30 winds and was too close to shore to do otherwise. But after about 45 minutes of tacking, we'd made it far enough out of the scoop of the J, to the northwest, where a long slow 2 to 3 mph beam reach to the south, into whitecaps, had us safely out of the J, coming along even with its bottom, to where we could finally turn counterclockwise another 90 degrees, to the east, for a broad reach, and get blown about 7 miles back to base, on a quiet no drama run. I know it's been said before in this forum to leave that jib up, even with a double reefed main, but I guess I had to learn the lesson the hard way first! The whole experience left me in awe of the M15, where, how despite the 20 mph plus winds, we still could successfully tack over and over and make steady progress to windward so as to be able to sail out of that leeward cove. Fair winds, - Brad

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Re: M17s are regatta boats
by Dave Scobie 30 Oct '21

30 Oct '21

Charlie: M17 designed for regatta sailing not for single handing? I don't understand your comment. Please add some detail so I can better understand your point of view. Thanks. :: Dave Scobie :: M6'8" #650 :: Baba 30 #233 DEJA VU :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com <<-- FOR SALE! :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - m15namedscred.wordpress.com <<-- new site! On Fri, Oct 29, 2021, 6:25 AM Charles Adams via montgomery_boats < montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> wrote: I agree with all Tyler’s comments concerning roller fullering. I sailed a Tanzer 22 many years starting on Puget Sound, Chesapeake, and Lake Ontario with only a jib. Then owned a new Catalina 320 with roller fullering that worked good but had problems. Boat that size roller fullering a must but never comes down or up. I bought my M17 three years ago and it had a roller fuller. The first time l launched boat, wife and I, was a horror story and by standers had to help us. Heavy is an understatement especially getting mast in step. Went into Marina. Second season same problem and I stopped trying and went to a Marina for help. Didn’t sail much first season because of broken shoulder. Second year more sailing but never liked the roller for all the reasons Tyler gave. I do not like marinas but because of roller fuller forget trailering. The boat was used for racing on Chesapeake. This season I will trailer and use only a jib and a 130 if I want it. Simplicity is the only way. I’ve been sailing a Drascombe Lugger I bought at factory in England 40 years ago. It’s been all over Europe, plus all the places I had the Tanzer. It has a very simple roller fuller and never an issue. I bought the M17 for cabin. I’ve added a number of things to my M17 making it easy for single handing but as I type this I am off and on about just selling. What stops me is I have put a lot of money into it making upgrades. It’s a 2005 and returned to better than new as far as I am concerned. So far the M17 is not what I expected but have enjoyed working on it at the expense of sailing. I know it was designed for the regatta world which for me means crew. I will only sail singlehanded and have no interest in a crew. Charlie

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