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M17 renovation questions
by Csmithsquared＠aol.com 05 May '13

05 May '13

Hello all! My name is Cathy from Atlanta and from these posts and the MSOG site, I'm one of the few east coast owners. I've been reading this forum and the one on the Montgomery site as well as Don Casey's books and Fix it and Sail to learn about my "new" boat. I'm the new owner of the 1977 M17 originally bought by Lionel Babb, and, unfortunately, I can't list my original hull identification number because she has a newly issued number. Perhaps someone knows Lionel or Jerry has records (I hope)... Anyway, Jo Marie (old name-not renamed yet) is in fairly good shape and I took her out twice (in January) before starting to work on rebedding the bow pulpit. This proved to be a little more labor intensive as the core around two of the stanchions was simply gone. Rotten and eaten by ants is my guess as the boat is from Baton Rouge. So while I started to work on that, intending to pace my renovations so I could continue to sail her, one thing led to another and I subsequently removed everything that bolts through, including the locker lids, forward hatch, and port lights. The three coats of interior paint were peeling so I decided this would be a great time to remove and repaint since all the bolts were removed. Not my most fun spring break, but I removed most of the paint and learned a lot about what not to do to the interior. Which brings up my questions. Where the cabin/deck top meet the interior insert there is an off-white colored substance. This originally extended about one half inch over the top of the dimpled interior side wall but had become brittle with age (and maybe paint) and I ended up chipping it off as I removed the paint. I have searched forums and Don Casey's book and can not find out what it is and if I should renew it with a similar product. It seemed plastic-like, but perhaps it was a bead of 4200...Does anyone have any idea what it might be? And with what I can replace it? Another problem is that once I removed the three layers of paint from the v-berth I discovered the gelcoat there is all cracked and blistered. I'm trying to decide what to do about that to restore it. Anybody ever had that? I'm considering covering it with a layer of plastic laminate (Formica) as the cracking is so extensive. If any of you have any ideas about restoring that I welcome your input. That's all for now and I won't be a "lurker" anymore! I look forward to a trip to Lake Havasu in a couple of years. Cathy M17 Jo Marie (for now)

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Re: M_Boats: Ida rudder
by GILASAILR＠aol.com 02 May '13

02 May '13

Tim's work is spectacular as seen from his 'Samples' - GO In a message dated 5/2/2013 3:49:18 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, northwave(a)telus.net writes: I can attest to the '74 model year having two pintle/gudgeon setup with the forward leading edge ruddder and that it does a great job. However, I'm working at adding the third one with the rod to make a lifting setup. I'll be making a new NACA 0012 foil based upon the inspiration of Kelowna Timtone's. Many years ago I had a a Potter 19 with the folding mahogany rudder but never really cared for it - I'm sure the ida rudder is excellent but beyond my budget here in northern British Columbia.

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Re: M_Boats: Ida rudder
by Bruce Ward 02 May '13

02 May '13

I can attest to the '74 model year having two pintle/gudgeon setup with the forward leading edge ruddder and that it does a great job. However, I'm working at adding the third one with the rod to make a lifting setup. I'll be making a new NACA 0012 foil based upon the inspiration of Kelowna Timtone's. Many years ago I had a a Potter 19 with the folding mahogany rudder but never really cared for it - I'm sure the ida rudder is excellent but beyond my budget here in northern British Columbia.

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Re: M_Boats: Ida rudder
by bownez＠juno.com 02 May '13

02 May '13

Larry, I stand corrected! I wonder if someone added a third to my boat which is hull #92? Bones ____________________________________________________________ New BlackBerry&#174 Z10 Discover the BlackBerry Z10, built to keep you moving. Get it today. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/5182676fd037d676f5265st01vuc

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Re: M_Boats: Ida rudder
by bownez＠juno.com 01 May '13

01 May '13

Tom, That's odd, my 1976 M17 has three brackets (pintles?) on the transom. So does Larry Yakes. I thought only 2 were on the very early M17's, circa 1974. Bones ____________________________________________________________ 1 Odd spice that FIGHTS diabetes Can this unusual "super spice" control your blood sugar and fight diabetes&#63 http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/5181d8e496cfe58e42877st02vuc

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Re: M_Boats: Ida rudder
by Larry E Yake 01 May '13

01 May '13

Actually Bones, CornDog only has two. :-) It did not have the lifting rudder, but came with the original Lyle Hess design which had a stepped forward leading edge that reached under the skeg. Handled great, but eliminated the possibility of raising it. I replaced it with a Ida Sailor years ago and have been very happy with it. (Still just two pintles.) On Thu, 2 May 2013 03:08:12 GMT "bownez(a)juno.com" <bownez(a)juno.com> writes: > Tom, > > That's odd, my 1976 M17 has three brackets (pintles?) on the > transom. So does Larry Yakes. > I thought only 2 were on the very early M17's, circa 1974. > > Bones > ____________________________________________________________ > 1 Odd spice that FIGHTS diabetes > Can this unusual "super spice" control your blood sugar and > fight diabetes&#63 > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/5181d8e496cfe58e42877st02vuc > > >

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Re: M_Boats: Mystery sailboat
by bownez＠juno.com 01 May '13

01 May '13

That's what I like about you Jerry, you tell it like it is..... Thank you for the input. Bones ____________________________________________________________ Better Than A Facelift&#63 Local Doctor Has Lazy Way To Look Years Younger in 17 Seconds http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/5181d7f0d13ff57f04304st03vuc

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Re: M_Boats: Mystery sailboat
by bownez＠juno.com 01 May '13

01 May '13

Doug, I think that may be the boat! (Victoria 18) Good work! Bones ____________________________________________________________ 1 Odd spice that FIGHTS diabetes Can this unusual "super spice" control your blood sugar and fight diabetes&#63 http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/5181d739cfd6557397950st02vuc

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steering M15 with motor
by John Ledger 01 May '13

01 May '13

I am pretty new at this (this is my first boat) and I am not sure why this happens and am probably doing something very basic wrong. When pulling away from the pier I need to turn immediately to port to go down the row of slips and get out of the marina. Leaving the pier at low speed I push the tiller and motor steering arm to starboard but the boat does not respond - simply does not turn to port - keeps moving forward - slowly. In order to avoid a collision I have to move tiller and motor steering hard to port at which point the boat seems to catch and turn immediately to the starboard - so I end up having to make a very tight loop before I can exit down the row. I have a 4 hp 2 stroke Johnson mounted on the port side of the tiller. I must be missing something. Any thoughts? John, Oregon

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Re: M_Boats: Mystery sailboat
by bownez＠juno.com 01 May '13

01 May '13

Thank you Skip. The name Bay Runner was on the title. I have a couple of very poor pictures that show a small coachroof with two ports per side, and a narrow stern overhang like a Herreshoff boat. The mystery continues..... Bones ____________________________________________________________ Woman is 60 But Looks 25 Mom publishes simple facelift trick that angered doctors... http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/5181108283f2210824323st01vuc

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