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1979 M17--She Will Be Mine
by Henry Rodriguez 28 Jan '14

28 Jan '14

Thanks all for the replies and encouragement. I wrote a check for $2k today and will pay the rest when my friend brings her down from up north. It could be as soon as two weeks. I know I got a great deal but you will probably gasp when you find out how much my friend Jay paid for her: $200!! That's a two with only two zeroes after it! And that included an old air cooled (lawn-mower-on-a-stick) 5hp outboard. For another $100 the previous owner gave him several boxes of equipment, including a brand new Plastimo bulkhead compass (never installed), a brand new Danforth anchor with chain and rope rode, and some other stuff I can't remember. Jay knows he could easily get $4-6k for the boat so I'm happy to get it for $2500. He had a business deal fall through and needs the money. He may not buy the Halman after all. The transom had a slight crack that apparently widened a bit when the rudder grounded when Jay was sailing her this fall. He said he started the repair; looks like there's some fiberglass work in my future. I plan on fixing that first and then working on the exterior and rigging. I'll worry about the interior later. I have studied all of the pictures, project descriptions, and links on the MSOG site but I'm sure I'll be back asking lots of questions. Gary O., I remember you and your boat very well from the HPCC. I took some pictures of your boat but now that I'm about to become a Montgomery owner I wish I had taken more. I would love to see more detailed pictures of your deck and cockpit layout. I like the split-tail main sheet rigging and might try that on my new boat (she needs a name!) I get the same effect on Chiquita by using a dual main sheet arrangement with an independent tackle coming from each corner of the transom. Using the windward sheet allows me to get the boom to the center without too much downward pull. A cascaded vang controls twist with enough power to bend the boom. I don't even have the boat yet and I'm considering doing some custom rigging. I've got it bad! And I have a two page list of projects to complete on Chiquita that I haven't even started yet. No rest for the wicked! -- Henry https://picasaweb.google.com/heinzir

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Re: M_Boats: 1979 M17--She Will Be Mine
by bownez＠juno.com 28 Jan '14

28 Jan '14

Rich, I take it you have a very beefy whiskerpole. (a hemmm) Might you have the model number? Is it a Forespar item? Bones ____________________________________________________________ Fast, Secure, NetZero 4G Mobile Broadband. Try it. http://www.netzero.net/?refcd=NZINTISP0512T4GOUT2

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Sails
by Todd Bradley 27 Jan '14

27 Jan '14

Hi Everybody, I am hoping to get some feedback regarding headsail size for my 23'. I do not currently have a headsail and am trying to determine the best size to start with as I eventually build a sail inventory. I will be doing most of my sailing on my local lake (Folsom). Where winds vary from 0 to 8 knots and then days with 8 to 15 knot winds. I will eventual get it up to Tahoe and down into SF bay where the winds will be stronger. I have spoken to a few other sailing folks and I am thinking of Starting with a 135 Genoa. What are others using? Do you think a 135 is a good place to start? Thanks in advance for any of your input! Todd Bradley M-23 #86

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Re: M_Boats: Sails
by bownez＠juno.com 26 Jan '14

26 Jan '14

Robbin, Now you got me anxious to try that old 150 you kindly shipped to me!! No boating here for a while.... Bones M23 #75 ____________________________________________________________ Do THIS before eating carbs (every time) 1 EASY tip to increase fat-burning, lower blood sugar & decrease fat storage http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/52e26ee1a2e7b6ee120dcst04vuc

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Re: M_Boats: Sails
by bownez＠juno.com 25 Jan '14

25 Jan '14

Jerry, Didn't you race an M23 on Leech Lake in Minnesota years ago? Bones ____________________________________________________________ Want to place your ad here? Advertise on United Online http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/52e31dbc2db1e1dbc3157st04vuc

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Re: M_Boats: 1979 M17--She Will Be Mine
by GILASAILR＠aol.com 25 Jan '14

25 Jan '14

Henry, - that is the kind of 'wicked' that keeps one out of trouble! Good for you and the crew. Next time I go to the boat I will take some pictures of the deck and related rigging. ---shaking head in disbelief --$200. ---------- have a 'wicked bunch of fun' playing with the new boat! Take Care, Have Fun, Go Sailing! GO In a message dated 1/25/2014 7:50:54 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time, thomaspbuzzi(a)gmail.com writes: > Thanks all for the replies and encouragement. I wrote a check for $2k > today and will pay the rest when my friend brings her down from up north. > It could be as soon as two weeks. > > I know I got a great deal but you will probably gasp when you find out how > much my friend Jay paid for her: $200!! That's a two with only two

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Re: M_Boats: 1979 M17--She Will Be Mine
by bownez＠juno.com 25 Jan '14

25 Jan '14

Good work Henry! You are headed for a busy spring..... The sailboat supply houses are going to love you... I may have a few pictures of Gary's boat if you would like me to send them. Ate you looking for a replacement outboard as well? Bones ____________________________________________________________ How to Sleep Like a Rock Obey this one natural trick to fall asleep and stay asleep all night. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/52e3cca14005c4ca161b7st03vuc

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On-line marine equipment resources
by Tom Smith 24 Jan '14

24 Jan '14

What outfits do you guys use for ordering bits and pieces (and why)? I'll go first: I order quite a bit from www.fisheriessupply.com. Good help on the phone (I usually talk to somebody before ordering) and the prices are okay. Certainly better than you-know-who. t _/\_

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Re: M_Boats: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 131, Issue 10
by janisaz＠comcast.net 24 Jan '14

24 Jan '14

Thanks to Gary Overton and associates for all help given in the Wrinkle Boat event at Lake Pleasant last weekend. It was fun meeting old and new wrinkle boaters and the weather was outstanding. Didn't like those five minute starts, tho - no fun having the Vipers bearing down on you at the mark. May swallow my pride and see if I can figure it out next year. Janis and Bill on Encore! ----- Original Message ----- From: "montgomery boats-request" <montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com> To: "montgomery boats" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Friday, January 24, 2014 6:48:53 AM Subject: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 131, Issue 10 Send montgomery_boats mailing list submissions to montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com You can reach the person managing the list at montgomery_boats-owner(a)mailman.xmission.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of montgomery_boats digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: 1979 Montgomery 17 (Thomas Howe) 2. Re: 1979 Montgomery 17 (Robert Hall) 3. Re: 1979 Montgomery 17 (GILASAILR(a)aol.com) 4. Surplus M- 15 Sails for Sale (Robert Hall) 5. Re: The Connecticut Yankee is learning to speak Texan (GILASAILR(a)aol.com) 6. Re: 1979 Montgomery 17 (bownez(a)juno.com) 7. Re: Adding an electric Motor to Montgomery 15 (John Roland) 8. Montgomery 12 - sails, mast, boom, rudder (Michelle Holland) 9. Montgomery 12 - sails, mast, boom, rudder - Additional Information (Michelle Holland) 10. Re: Montgomery 12 - sails, mast, boom, rudder - Additional Information (Doug Hall) 11. Re: 1979 Montgomery 17 (Thomas Buzzi) 12. Re: 1979 Montgomery 17 (stevetrapp) 13. Sails (Todd Bradley) 14. Re: Sails (jerry montgomery) 15. Re: Sails (Todd Bradley) 16. Re: Sails (Robbin Roddewig) 17. Re: Sails (Robbin Roddewig) 18. Re: Sails (Todd Bradley) 19. Re: Sails (bownez(a)juno.com) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2014 21:14:06 -0600 From: "Thomas Howe" <Thomas(a)ThomasHoweOnline.com> To: "'For and about Montgomery Sailboats'" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: 1979 Montgomery 17 Message-ID: <001201cf1656$da28f6f0$8e7ae4d0$@com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Henry, it looks like you got the deal of the century. It will require some time and attention to get it in Bristol Fashion, but it will be worth it! Thomas Howe Mailto:Thomas@ThomasHoweOnline.com ????????????????? O --------(\ ---------- ~? (\? ~?? ~?? ~?? ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ (\ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~? ~? ~? ~? ~? ~? ~ ? -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces(a)mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Henry Rodriguez Sent: Monday, January 20, 2014 8:26 PM To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: M_Boats: 1979 Montgomery 17 *Ok, I am buying it!!!* I just made a verbal commitment to buy the boat for $2500 ! Won't pick it up until early spring, and there are still a few things that could botch the deal, but so far so good. https://picasaweb.google.com/101215806559438798863/JayS1979Montgomery17 -- Henry https://picasaweb.google.com/heinzir ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2014 22:56:14 -0500 From: "Robert Hall" <bert.hall(a)rogers.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: 1979 Montgomery 17 Message-ID: <F370925ED1604A3FA8EFB7855CCF9BB4@Pavilion> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Hi Henry, Looks like you are a big winner with your purchase. Congratulations. RTH M 15 owner. -----Original Message----- From: Henry Rodriguez Sent: Monday, January 20, 2014 9:26 PM To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: M_Boats: 1979 Montgomery 17 *Ok, I am buying it!!!* I just made a verbal commitment to buy the boat for $2500 ! Won't pick it up until early spring, and there are still a few things that could botch the deal, but so far so good. https://picasaweb.google.com/101215806559438798863/JayS1979Montgomery17 -- Henry https://picasaweb.google.com/heinzir ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2014 23:21:26 -0500 (EST) From: GILASAILR(a)aol.com To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: 1979 Montgomery 17 Message-ID: <c5041.46a7b97d.400f4fc6(a)aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Henry, I'll take two or three at that price /condition (as viewed via my monitor) ! Some of the Northern region boats are really nice - Higher lattitudes =less UV damage - shorter seasons and sometimes barn storage - cold fresh water - What's not to like?? (as a contrast - mine is out in the sun and heat (& cold) 24/7/12 at 33-36 N. in 115 degrees F heat at upper range - No Barn - and a 8-9 month sailing season ( we skip the summers locally!) Try and get that kind of money for a Clorox 23 (or other similar) - good luck - Not the BEST 17 footer but damn close and affordable too- maybe the best fat wrinkled cruising 17 footer with a masthead rig - Good Mariners, Rhodes 19 and some other 'boutique models' hold their values well too and are also 'icons' of small boats. There have been 675 +/- M-17s built That is not big numbers when you consider the number of boats out there. We can sometimes generate our own 'aura/mystique/collectibility' about something we own and like - go to a really BIG marina for a reality check on numbers or consider the number of C-22's in the US - now almost at a standstill for new production. You got a good deal looking from here. Rig looks clean. Congrats and Good Luck with the contingencies. Gary Henry Oberbeck M-17t #354 'Wabi-Sabi' * *The yellow and white M-17 across the dock from you last year at London Bridge... PS- thanks for driving recent sales price for a M-17 into the dirt! JUST KIDDING - you did great!. {;>) Good for You! Buy 'em low! You probably didn't get many comments form M-17 owners in response to your question - like - 'as little as possible' - that is the way some of us like to buy toys. I like red boats - good lookin to boot!! You can't buy my ugly old boat for that money...'mine is rare/collectible/and worth MUCH more' - ...yeah okay....{;>) Take Care,Have Fun, Go Sailing! In a message dated 1/20/2014 7:28:19 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, heinzir(a)gmail.com writes: https://picasaweb.google.com/101215806559438798863/JayS1979Montgomery17 ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2014 23:58:39 -0500 From: "Robert Hall" <bert.hall(a)rogers.com> To: "Montgomery Owners" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: M_Boats: Surplus M- 15 Sails for Sale Message-ID: <06C1A7B6AEB2427281EB2CAFBA368697@Pavilion> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Greetings Fellow M-15 Owners.I have for sale a main and hank on jib as provided by the Montgomery builder. There are no breaks, tears or other structural damage and they recently received processing by SAILCARE and are therefore clean.The main is equipped with slugs at the luff and with a jack line to prevent lower slugs falling out of the mast slot when the sail is lowered. I also have a pale blue hank on genoa in a sail bag marked 150% which is in as new condition and finally a never used red ,white and blue asymmetrical spinnaker in a home made sock.I am over 80 and have treated myself to a new main and CDI furling 150% genoa to make life afloat easier. So now you know why these sails are surplus to requirement . The asking price is $500.00 plus shipping for all four complete with sail bags.. My e mail address is bert.hall(a)rogers.com. ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2014 00:11:53 -0500 (EST) From: GILASAILR(a)aol.com To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: The Connecticut Yankee is learning to speak Texan Message-ID: <43d5f.116ef96d.400f5b98(a)aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Connie - the Texan's call them boots 'manly footwear' - guess they worry more about other peoples perceptions of their ______ than decks and swimming in boots!- keep us notified of any scession plans they may have over that way. I enjoy a good coup as much as the next guy. Enjoy your new digs. Best to both of you. GO. In a message dated 1/20/2014 10:31:55 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time, chbenneck(a)gmail.com writes: On 19-Jan-14 7:22 PM, bownez(a)juno.com wrote: Hi Bones, The answer to your question is No. They make marks on the deck, and are hard to remove in a hurry if you should fall overboard. Connie > Hello Connie, > > Welcome back! > Please don't leave us, we love your wit and sage wisdom! > > Are you shopping for cowboy boots? > > Mr. Bones > ____________________________________________________________ > How to Sleep Like a Rock > Obey this one natural trick to fall asleep and stay asleep all night. > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/52dc7a988acc7a977cb1st04vuc > ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2014 14:58:07 GMT From: "bownez(a)juno.com" <bownez(a)juno.com> To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: 1979 Montgomery 17 Message-ID: <20140121.085807.14579.0(a)webmail02.vgs.untd.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Congratulations! You will love having an M17. Seeing we are neighbors, we'll need to introduce our boats to each other. Let me know if you have any questions about your new addition to the fleet. Bones ____________________________________________________________ Best Dividend Stocks 2014 Six solid dividend stocks to give your portfolio an income boost. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/52de8b3ea7c8ab3e74e5st04vuc ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2014 12:04:30 -0500 From: John Roland <jsroland007(a)gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Adding an electric Motor to Montgomery 15 Message-ID: <CAGcfa6pPP1gCJF8LX97fqL0HxDXGXBXK56kTDSBvkAKm3pcSBg(a)mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Scott When I bought my M-15 a few years ago I bought a heavy duty trolling motor that I calculated would be about the equivalent of a 2-horse motor. It draws about 50 amps at full power and as I started sailing on overnight cruises at the time where I often became becalmed and needed several hours of motoring to get home. I replaced it with a 2-horse gas motor and never used the electric. It's a transom mount saltwater model and should get you in and out of the harbor easily. If you are interested I'll dig it out and get you the information - make - model - year etc. Reply if you are interested. John Roland SV-Wokini On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 3:03 PM, Scott <salarson2(a)comcast.net> wrote: > I have a 2 stroke motor that came with my Monty when I bought it. In good > conscience, I cannot get myself to use it. I have a 12 v trolling motor > that worked OK for getting it in and out of the smallish bay on Minnesota's > Lake Minnetonka, but it was a little slow. Getting in and out of Carson's > bay generally took me about a half hour plus each way. > > > > I am tempted to take the lower unit off the motor and bolt it to the bottom > of my Monty behind the keel and mount an electric motor inside the hull. I > have figured out what I need for power and duration in terms of the motor > and batteries, but I am reluctant to put a hole in the bottom of the boat > to mount the motor and prop. Any thoughts on how that could affect the > value of the boat? > > > > Scott Larson > > ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2014 12:08:15 -0500 (EST) From: Michelle Holland <dinkum1(a)aol.com> To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: M_Boats: Montgomery 12 - sails, mast, boom, rudder Message-ID: <8D0E4E281AB2462-1C28-2BDD(a)webmail-d227.sysops.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Good afternoon, I have sails, mast, boom, rudder off a Montgomery 12 for sale. I am testing the waters to see if there is any interest. If there is, I will go to my storage unit and get the details and measurements off everything. Thanks for your time. Michelle _______________________________ Michelle Holland "Those that dream by night in the dusty recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity: but the dreamers of the day are dangerous folk for they may act upon their dreams with open eyes, to make it possible." ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2014 12:13:20 -0500 (EST) From: Michelle Holland <dinkum1(a)aol.com> To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: M_Boats: Montgomery 12 - sails, mast, boom, rudder - Additional Information Message-ID: <8D0E4E337A81056-1C28-2CA3(a)webmail-d227.sysops.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I forgot to mention that I am located in Welaka, Florida. _______________________________ Michelle Holland "Those that dream by night in the dusty recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity: but the dreamers of the day are dangerous folk for they may act upon their dreams with open eyes, to make it possible." ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2014 19:24:49 -0800 (PST) From: Doug Hall <kicker_fixer(a)yahoo.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Montgomery 12 - sails, mast, boom, rudder - Additional Information Message-ID: <1390361089.54307.YahooMailNeo(a)web163402.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 hi, michelle ,? I may have an interest in your? stash of 12 ft monty? parts and I am only a couple of hrs. away in panama city , give me a shout? at?? kicker_fixer@ yahoo .com? thanks doug On Tuesday, January 21, 2014 11:15 AM, Michelle Holland <dinkum1(a)aol.com> wrote: I forgot to mention that I am located in Welaka, Florida. _______________________________ Michelle Holland "Those that dream by night in the dusty recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity: but the dreamers of the day are dangerous folk for they may act upon their dreams with open eyes, to make it possible." ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2014 07:18:29 -0600 From: Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi(a)gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: 1979 Montgomery 17 Message-ID: <CA+TbpAU=CtVbjpJHM-YLOGjTDv=7vrb7ZGz9ZyQ=LYYHyDnetw(a)mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Congratulation Henry, You were at the right place at the right time. Great price! Now you have some cash left to customize your new bateau just the way you like it. These are the biggest "little" boats out there. Park it someplace where every day you can walk past it or at least look at it out a window. Her lines are just the most pleasing. Form follows function and Lyle Hess had his thumb on that idea when he drew up this boat. Welcome to the fleet. Tom B M 17, #258, 1978 On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 8:26 PM, Henry Rodriguez <heinzir(a)gmail.com> wrote: > *Ok, I am buying it!!!* > > I just made a verbal commitment to buy the boat for $2500 ! > > Won't pick it up until early spring, and there are still a few things that > could botch the deal, but so far so good. > > https://picasaweb.google.com/101215806559438798863/JayS1979Montgomery17 > > -- > Henry > https://picasaweb.google.com/heinzir > ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2014 07:30:45 -0800 From: "stevetrapp" <stevetrapp(a)q.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: 1979 Montgomery 17 Message-ID: <889FF47A27414024A56B36DC0C3CECA1@STEVEEW> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Me too, I agree, my M-15 is where I can see it nearly every day. It is good this time of year to see it and think there is hope for sailing season to replace winter sometime in the not too distant future. Steve M-15 # 335 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Buzzi" <thomaspbuzzi(a)gmail.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2014 5:18 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: 1979 Montgomery 17 > Congratulation Henry, > You were at the right place at the right time. Great price! Now you have > some cash left to customize your new bateau just the way you like it. These > are the biggest "little" boats out there. Park it someplace where every day > you can walk past it or at least look at it out a window. Her lines are > just the most pleasing. Form follows function and Lyle Hess had his thumb > on that idea when he drew up this boat. > Welcome to the fleet. > Tom B > M 17, #258, 1978 > > > On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 8:26 PM, Henry Rodriguez <heinzir(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> *Ok, I am buying it!!!* >> >> I just made a verbal commitment to buy the boat for $2500 ! >> >> Won't pick it up until early spring, and there are still a few things that >> could botch the deal, but so far so good. >> >> https://picasaweb.google.com/101215806559438798863/JayS1979Montgomery17 >> >> -- >> Henry >> https://picasaweb.google.com/heinzir >> > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2013.0.3462 / Virus Database: 3681/7026 - Release Date: 01/22/14 > ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2014 14:59:44 -0800 From: "Todd Bradley" <todd(a)btbuilders.net> To: "'For and about Montgomery Sailboats'" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: M_Boats: Sails Message-ID: <033a01cf188e$cfcbb410$6f631c30$@net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi Everybody, I am hoping to get some feedback regarding headsail size for my 23'. I do not currently have a headsail and am trying to determine the best size to start with as I eventually build a sail inventory. I will be doing most of my sailing on my local lake (Folsom). Where winds vary from 0 to 8 knots and then days with 8 to 15 knot winds. I will eventual get it up to Tahoe and down into SF bay where the winds will be stronger. I have spoken to a few other sailing folks and I am thinking of Starting with a 135 Genoa. What are others using? Do you think a 135 is a good place to start? Thanks in advance for any of your input! Todd Bradley M-23 #86 ------------------------------ Message: 14 Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2014 15:11:40 -0800 From: "jerry montgomery" <jerry(a)jerrymontgomery.org> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Sails Message-ID: <54DBDC34F22842DB9A6CB799B33F23AB@jerryws10> Content-Type: text/plain; format="flowed"; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type="original" Tod- a 135 would be a good all-round sail, but the 23 is a masthead rig and would sail best and point higher with a 150 in up to about 16 or 18 kn winds. A good sail for SF would be about an 80% jib, especially if you sheeted it on the cabin top. I sailed the 23 quite a bit in the Mexican races in the late 70s and early 80s; we used a 150 nearly all the time. The 23 will easily carry a spinnaker in about 25 kn , I'd guess. We never had a problem with the chute. If you have a problem making the sail decisions I'd be happy to take a look at the boat. jerry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Todd Bradley" <todd(a)btbuilders.net> To: "'For and about Montgomery Sailboats'" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2014 2:59 PM Subject: M_Boats: Sails > Hi Everybody, > > > > I am hoping to get some feedback regarding headsail size for my 23'. I do > not currently have a headsail and am trying to determine the best size to > start with as I eventually build a sail inventory. I will be doing most of > my sailing on my local lake (Folsom). Where winds vary from 0 to 8 knots > and then days with 8 to 15 knot winds. I will eventual get it up to Tahoe > and down into SF bay where the winds will be stronger. I have spoken to a > few other sailing folks and I am thinking of Starting with a 135 Genoa. > > > > What are others using? Do you think a 135 is a good place to start? > > > > Thanks in advance for any of your input! > > > > Todd Bradley > > > > M-23 #86 > > > > -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. SPAMfighter has removed 9895 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len Do you have a slow PC? Try a Free scan http://www.spamfighter.com/SLOW-PCfighter?cid=sigen ------------------------------ Message: 15 Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2014 17:10:44 -0800 From: "Todd Bradley" <todd(a)btbuilders.net> To: "'For and about Montgomery Sailboats'" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Sails Message-ID: <036e01cf18a1$1d0a4f90$571eeeb0$@net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hey Jerry - thanks for the feedback. Sounds like a 150 is the best headsail for me to start with. I would love to have you look at the boat sometime. I'm in no rush....I'm still deep into deferred maintenance and upgrades......resealing things, had the teak hatch rails remade(old ones were broken), just got the new standing rigging back (haven't installed it yet) and other items in anticipation of spring and some water in the lake (hopefully). Have you been out to the lake lately? Crazy low, you can walk around and see the old foundations from old mining towns that haven't been exposed for some 35 years. Todd Bradley M-23 #86 -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces(a)mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of jerry montgomery Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2014 3:12 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Sails Tod- a 135 would be a good all-round sail, but the 23 is a masthead rig and would sail best and point higher with a 150 in up to about 16 or 18 kn winds. A good sail for SF would be about an 80% jib, especially if you sheeted it on the cabin top. I sailed the 23 quite a bit in the Mexican races in the late 70s and early 80s; we used a 150 nearly all the time. The 23 will easily carry a spinnaker in about 25 kn , I'd guess. We never had a problem with the chute. If you have a problem making the sail decisions I'd be happy to take a look at the boat. jerry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Todd Bradley" <todd(a)btbuilders.net> To: "'For and about Montgomery Sailboats'" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2014 2:59 PM Subject: M_Boats: Sails > Hi Everybody, > > > > I am hoping to get some feedback regarding headsail size for my 23'. I do > not currently have a headsail and am trying to determine the best size to > start with as I eventually build a sail inventory. I will be doing most of > my sailing on my local lake (Folsom). Where winds vary from 0 to 8 knots > and then days with 8 to 15 knot winds. I will eventual get it up to Tahoe > and down into SF bay where the winds will be stronger. I have spoken to a > few other sailing folks and I am thinking of Starting with a 135 Genoa. > > > > What are others using? Do you think a 135 is a good place to start? > > > > Thanks in advance for any of your input! > > > > Todd Bradley > > > > M-23 #86 > > > > -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. SPAMfighter has removed 9895 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len Do you have a slow PC? Try a Free scan http://www.spamfighter.com/SLOW-PCfighter?cid=sigen ------------------------------ Message: 16 Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2014 21:46:44 -0500 From: Robbin Roddewig <robbin.roddewig(a)verizon.net> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Sails Message-ID: <52E1D414.7000202(a)verizon.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Hi Todd, I had a hank on 150 on my 23 that worked great on the Chesapeake bay for most of the conditions there. I moved to a roller furler this last season and really like it. The roller has I think a 135. All the best with your deferred maintenance. I know how that is...I also had the hatch rails redone last winter, sealed the port hull to deck seam and this winter am still working on replacing a bunch of the ash slats that had rotted and am having the deck under the mast looked to. Its always something but the 23 is a lot of fun to sail. Robbin On 1/23/2014 5:59 PM, Todd Bradley wrote: > Hi Everybody, > > > > I am hoping to get some feedback regarding headsail size for my 23'. I do > not currently have a headsail and am trying to determine the best size to > start with as I eventually build a sail inventory. I will be doing most of > my sailing on my local lake (Folsom). Where winds vary from 0 to 8 knots > and then days with 8 to 15 knot winds. I will eventual get it up to Tahoe > and down into SF bay where the winds will be stronger. I have spoken to a > few other sailing folks and I am thinking of Starting with a 135 Genoa. > > > > What are others using? Do you think a 135 is a good place to start? > > > > Thanks in advance for any of your input! > > > > Todd Bradley > > > > M-23 #86 > > > > ------------------------------ Message: 17 Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2014 21:50:41 -0500 From: Robbin Roddewig <robbin.roddewig(a)verizon.net> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Sails Message-ID: <52E1D501.8060106(a)verizon.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Hi Jerry, you raced the 23? I lost the J-30 I was crewing on last season (diesel seized and boat was donated) and was considering racing my 23. So it sounds like it may not be out of the question to go around the cans with a 23? I have a spinnaker pole but no spin. I was wondering about using an Asim rather than the traditional spinnaker. Any thoughts on an Asim vs sim? Thanks Robbin On 1/23/2014 6:11 PM, jerry montgomery wrote: > Tod- a 135 would be a good all-round sail, but the 23 is a masthead > rig and would sail best and point higher with a 150 in up to about 16 > or 18 kn winds. > > A good sail for SF would be about an 80% jib, especially if you > sheeted it on the cabin top. > > I sailed the 23 quite a bit in the Mexican races in the late 70s and > early 80s; we used a 150 nearly all the time. The 23 will easily > carry a spinnaker in about 25 kn , I'd guess. We never had a problem > with the chute. > > If you have a problem making the sail decisions I'd be happy to take a > look at the boat. > > jerry > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Todd Bradley" <todd(a)btbuilders.net> > To: "'For and about Montgomery Sailboats'" > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2014 2:59 PM > Subject: M_Boats: Sails > > >> Hi Everybody, >> >> >> >> I am hoping to get some feedback regarding headsail size for my 23'. >> I do >> not currently have a headsail and am trying to determine the best >> size to >> start with as I eventually build a sail inventory. I will be doing >> most of >> my sailing on my local lake (Folsom). Where winds vary from 0 to 8 >> knots >> and then days with 8 to 15 knot winds. I will eventual get it up to >> Tahoe >> and down into SF bay where the winds will be stronger. I have spoken >> to a >> few other sailing folks and I am thinking of Starting with a 135 Genoa. >> >> >> >> What are others using? Do you think a 135 is a good place to start? >> >> >> >> Thanks in advance for any of your input! >> >> >> >> Todd Bradley >> >> >> >> M-23 #86 >> >> >> >> > > > -- > I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. > SPAMfighter has removed 9895 of my spam emails to date. > Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len > > Do you have a slow PC? Try a Free scan > http://www.spamfighter.com/SLOW-PCfighter?cid=sigen > > > > ------------------------------ Message: 18 Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2014 20:13:35 -0800 From: "Todd Bradley" <todd(a)btbuilders.net> To: "'For and about Montgomery Sailboats'" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Sails Message-ID: <038501cf18ba$a7dc9ab0$f795d010$@net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi Robbin - thanks for the input. I think the 150 might be the way to go. I will need to check out your photos again on rebidding your toe-rail. I also have leaks there. Just need to see if that makes it into this seasons projects. Did you change out the original ss screws? I know that you used the 3M 5200 as the sealer. I am a bit apprehensive of using 5200, as I understand that the stuff has so much adhesion it never comes off. Which can be a good thing. But just what if, in a few years I need to get it back off.....you never know. Do you think there is any wisdom in bedding the toe rail with butyl tape or a lower psi adhesive. Thanks again! Todd Bradley M-23 #86 -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces(a)mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Robbin Roddewig Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2014 6:47 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Sails Hi Todd, I had a hank on 150 on my 23 that worked great on the Chesapeake bay for most of the conditions there. I moved to a roller furler this last season and really like it. The roller has I think a 135. All the best with your deferred maintenance. I know how that is...I also had the hatch rails redone last winter, sealed the port hull to deck seam and this winter am still working on replacing a bunch of the ash slats that had rotted and am having the deck under the mast looked to. Its always something but the 23 is a lot of fun to sail. Robbin On 1/23/2014 5:59 PM, Todd Bradley wrote: > Hi Everybody, > > > > I am hoping to get some feedback regarding headsail size for my 23'. I do > not currently have a headsail and am trying to determine the best size to > start with as I eventually build a sail inventory. I will be doing most of > my sailing on my local lake (Folsom). Where winds vary from 0 to 8 knots > and then days with 8 to 15 knot winds. I will eventual get it up to Tahoe > and down into SF bay where the winds will be stronger. I have spoken to a > few other sailing folks and I am thinking of Starting with a 135 Genoa. > > > > What are others using? Do you think a 135 is a good place to start? > > > > Thanks in advance for any of your input! > > > > Todd Bradley > > > > M-23 #86 > > > > ------------------------------ Message: 19 Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2014 13:46:56 GMT From: "bownez(a)juno.com" <bownez(a)juno.com> To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: Sails Message-ID: <20140124.074656.25862.0(a)webmail10.vgs.untd.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Robbin, Now you got me anxious to try that old 150 you kindly shipped to me!! No boating here for a while.... 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1979 Montgomery 17
by Henry Rodriguez 23 Jan '14

23 Jan '14

*Ok, I am buying it!!!* I just made a verbal commitment to buy the boat for $2500 ! Won't pick it up until early spring, and there are still a few things that could botch the deal, but so far so good. https://picasaweb.google.com/101215806559438798863/JayS1979Montgomery17 -- Henry https://picasaweb.google.com/heinzir

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