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Bow chocks for M17 with aluminum toe-rail.
by swwheatley＠comcast.net 07 Mar '14

07 Mar '14

I am planning to keep my 1976 M17 (aluminum toe-rails) on a mooring this summer, but it is curiously bereft of bow chocks and I'm trying to decide what to do about that. The toe-rails are pretty smooth; do people just put some chafe gear on their mooring pendant and let it hang over the side? If not, what have people done to integrate bow chocks with the aluminum toe-rail? Photos of particularly elegant solutions would be appreciated. Thanks.

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Good Old Boat Review
by Ferdinand Johns 07 Mar '14

07 Mar '14

Hello, everybody. The Montgomery 17 review will appear in the March/April issue of Good Old Boat magazine, which will be available mid-February or so. Thanks for all of your help. It was an easy boat to say good things about. Best, Ferd Johns

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Re: M_Boats: Bow chocks for M17 with aluminum toe-rail.
by Dave Scobie 07 Mar '14

07 Mar '14

Correct the hull deck flange is completely different on the aluminum rail boats versus the teak to rail boats. In my opinion the toe rail using teak result in a much stronger and waterproof overtime hull deck joint. :: Dave Scobie Howard Audsley <haudsley(a)tranquility.net> wrote: >Not sure that would work. > >Seem to recall the screws that hold the toe rail in place run through the toe rail and flange only. There wouldn't be any room or flat spot to mount them on. > > >On Mar 7, 2014, at 2:18 PM, Tom Smith wrote: > >> You know, another idea is to hack-saw a few inches off the toe rail, and >> use the mounting holes already drilled (one of them at least) to place a >> bow chock in the rail's place. You wouldn't have any balsa core worries >> because you be in the deck to hull mating area that is un-cored. t >> >> >> >> t _/\_ >> >> >> On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 12:02 PM, Howard Audsley <haudsley(a)tranquility.net>wrote: >> >>> I also have the aluminum rails and the bow chocks, but never got around to >>> mounting them. >>> >>> My plan was (is) to fashion some teak block spacers, long enough and wide >>> enough to mount the chocks to elevate the base of them to about to the same >>> level as the toe rail. Through bolts with backing plates as in some >>> situations, there could be substantial shear force on them. Going from >>> memory, this may be more tricky as it sounds, as there is balsa core in the >>> fore deck. Not sure where it ends in relation to the edge of the deck and >>> toe rails. If the bolt holes have to go through the balsa core, you would >>> want to drill holes oversize and backfill with epoxy. >>> >>> >>> On Mar 7, 2014, at 1:13 PM, Tom Smith wrote: >>> >>>> My M17 has teak toe rails, but I owned an earlier model that had aluminum >>>> (I frankly prefer the aluminum over teak (or whatever wood it is...). >>> I've >>>> see some pretty nice mods to the aluminum rails, but have no pics. What >>>> about cutting/carving out chock-shaped openings, polishing them up nice, >>>> and seeing if that works? >>>> >>>> I felt the need for chocks on my boat as well and nipped 6 or 8 inches >>> off >>>> the bow end of the toe rails on my boat and installed chocks. I was able >>>> to re-use one of the holes drilled for the rail, and only had to drill >>> one >>>> additional hole. t >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> t _/\_ >>>> >>>> >>>> On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 10:35 AM, <swwheatley(a)comcast.net> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I am planning to keep my 1976 M17 (aluminum toe-rails) on a mooring this >>>>> summer, but it is curiously bereft of bow chocks and I'm trying to >>> decide >>>>> what to do about that. The toe-rails are pretty smooth; do people just >>> put >>>>> some chafe gear on their mooring pendant and let it hang over the side? >>> If >>>>> not, what have people done to integrate bow chocks with the aluminum >>>>> toe-rail? Photos of particularly elegant solutions would be appreciated. >>>>> Thanks. >>>>> >>> >>> >>> > >

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video -playin round with a new editor program- lapstrake included
by Nebwest2＠aol.com 06 Mar '14

06 Mar '14

Threw together some clips of different video qualities from different cameras in a new program that improves the quality of the lower end shots to make them more palatable when in the company of true HD clips. Was pretty pleased with the outcome. Some of this video is actually phone video. Thought I'd share it here since there is quite a bit of lapstrake being thrown around in there, along with some of the other boats I've been lucky enough to sail over the last two years. You might recognize the face of some Montgomery speed-demon I've been known to keep company with as well. :-) For me...the local sailing season is winding down. For most the season is getting ready to start. So...it'll be your turn soon to share you videos with me!!!! :-) Working on firing up HPCC VII.... :-) S. MJ, and yes of course....Ensign... M23 "Dauntless" Layden Paradox "Scout"

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Re: M_Boats: video -playin round with a new editor program- lapstrake included
by bownez＠juno.com 04 Mar '14

04 Mar '14

Now THAT makes me want to go sailing!!!! The water is still quite hard in Mn, but it is time to remove all the fishhouses....a sign spring is around the corner. Bones ____________________________________________________________ How to Stay Asleep All Night Try this one weird trick to put your sleep troubles to rest. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/53162d96f0a9a2d931cf1st03vuc

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galveston bay texas
by Thomas 03 Mar '14

03 Mar '14

I have been researching trailerable boats, downsizing from a cape dory 22. Am 69 years old and no longer want a boat with slip fees, and want something I caln handle by myself (wife is good to hold tiller, and launching), but otherwise just me. I would like to know if there is anyone in the Houston area that I could possibly go out with to see what a Montgomery 15 sails like. I live in league city. phone 281-910-4267. Have owned many boats over the years, and have crossed the gulf 4 times, sailed to gualemala, Veracruz, florida and the bahama's. if you have a montogomery 15 and are willing I will pay for the day.

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Small Jibs for Montgomery 15
by David Grah 03 Mar '14

03 Mar '14

I am interested in the groups thoughts on small jibs for my Montgomery 15. I have always been a little slow to reef. For instance, I was out with one of my brothers and one of his kids in the Montgomery 15 out of the Berkeley Marina in the San Francisco Bay in some typical summer wind. The wind was comfortable without reefs or a small(er) headsail with my 200 pound or so brother helping me hold the boat down. I did notice once we were out that every single other boat around, most in the 30's of feet long, were all reefed. I have never had the option of a smaller jib on this boat. Doing it again, I probably still wouldn't have reefed that day with the ballast I had along. Still, reducing sail area is something I should be able to do, especially as I start to venture off shore a bit more and further away from harbors. My main has a single reef, which I have only used once. I am planning a trip to the Sea of Cortez this October. Jerry Montgomery mentioned the idea here and I liked it so am planning to go. Any body of water has stories of how strong it can blow there, and the Sea of Cortez is not exception. Because I would like to be able to venture out a ways while there and be able to get around if the wind does pick up, I figure I should get a smaller jib and a second reef put in my main for those windy times. My sails are Elliot Pattison and I have been very happy with them. The jib is a standard one. I asked Elliot Pattison for a price for a storm jib and he wondered if an 85% jib might make more sense. He said the storm jib is probably best for heaving to in over 25 to 30 knots of wind, as opposed to sailing which the 85% would be better for. I do like strong wind and the ability to sail in it, plus it seems prudent to be able to continue to function as the wind climbs uncomfortably. I haven't heard of Montgomery 15's with more than 2 reef points so assume that 2 is a reasonable maximum. In addition to wondering what size jib would allow me to progress in as strong winds as it is reasonable to make progress in a Montgomery 15, I wonder what size jib would best match a typical Montgomery 15 main with two reefs in it. What are the group's thoughts? Thanks so much in advance. David Grah Bishop California Montgomery 15 - Sky

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Re: M_Boats: video -playin round with a new editor program- lapstrake included
by Nebwest2＠aol.com 03 Mar '14

03 Mar '14

woops!!! Here's the link!!! http://youtu.be/jiWsGXX4SS4

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mast rake
by Daniel Rich 02 Mar '14

02 Mar '14

Montypals: Was out in the boat in the driveway yesterday making some measurements and a few adjustments on my M15 Kestrel. With mast up I raised a plumb to the top of the mast with the main halyard, Measuring from the back of the mast it looks like I have about 8-9 inches of rake aft. Is that too much? My boat has a fair amount of weather helm, but I now have new sails, and have not yet had a chance to sail with my beautiful new main. I suspect my new main will reduce weather helm. Thoughts about the mast rake? Daniel Rich M15 #208 "Kestrel" danielgrich(a)gmail.com

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M15 Storm Jib
by Fran Lebowitz 25 Feb '14

25 Feb '14

Hi David Grah, I bought a Storm Jib from Elliot Pattison for our M15 and I thought it was very useful for strong windy conditions. Kept the boat under control even with the main reefed. It wasn't a big expense, but well worth it for my sailing style: smooth sailing. Fran Former M15 #236

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