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Outboard Motor for M17
by Henry Rodriguez 06 Oct '14

06 Oct '14

I've been watching Craigslist for a 4hp long shaft motor for my M17 all summer. I can't afford a new one and don't want to spend much over $700. I want to use the cut-out in the transom rather than an outboard bracket if I can. I'm not too concerned about 2-stroke vs 4-stroke since it will not be used that much. The boat will be at a mooring that I can sail to and from. The motor will only be used occasionally for docking and to get me out of trouble! Yesterday I got the bright idea of weighing the 1972 (these motors run forever!) Johnson that I use on my VN23 Chiquita. I got out my bathroom scale and was surprised to see that it weighs only 53 lb. That's better than the specs I see for most new 4hp motors with FNR gears at 57-60 lb. So I tried putting it in the cut-out on the M17. I found that if I mount it slightly off center in the opening I can get full turning motion to starboard and almost full turning to port. Raising the tiller handle on the motor to 90 degrees gives full turning to port. I know that 6hp is a bit of overkill for the M17 but given that the 6hp Johnson is several pounds lighter than a newer 4hp, is there any reason to keep looking for a long shaft 4hp with FNR? They are hard to find, but used 6hp motors are plentiful around here and go for under $400. Another question: I have an old short shaft Evinrude that I use on my inflatable dinghy. It runs well but is totally unsuited for the M17 as is. I tried mounting it in the cut-out and the prop barely reached the waterline. It also has no reverse or clutch and cannot be spun around in the cutout. Could it be made to work if I used an external motor mount? I know that I could mount it low enough to get the prop at the proper depth but would an external bracket allow it to spin around for reverse? If so, is the performance hit of moving the motor further aft worth it considering this motor only weighs 38 lb (verified by my bathroom scale.) -- Henry https://picasaweb.google.com/heinzir

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M-15 Ballast
by AM 06 Oct '14

06 Oct '14

New-to-me M-15. Aft locker is missing most of the foam (will soon remedy with noodles) and I see lead (?) ballast bricks. Is this stock, or did someone add more lead? I know it's supposed to have a hump here, but photos I've seen looked a bit different. Anyone else have same bricks? Thx a

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Traveller
by Thomas Buzzi 05 Oct '14

05 Oct '14

Hi George, I too am redoing my traveller on my M17. The cockpit setup may not be identical to your 15 but after visiting Lenny Corin and seeing his fine "Orli", M17, (written up in "Good Old Boat" mag.Mar/Apr). and discussing his traveller arrangement I decided not to run the traveler from cockpit side to cockpit side. His is that way and he said the level the traveler is now makes it a "pain in the ass" to get into the cabin as you have to step above and over it as well as the companionway sill to then step down into the cabin. I plan to elevate my stock track to just under the companionway sill and thru bolt it to a piece of teak which spans the width of the footwell in the cockpit. That way I can close up eight potential leaking holes where the track is thru bolted through the cockpit sole and give the mainsheet a better run up to the boom than with the stock setup. I plan to install a vang so having to sheet the mainsail in tightly to flatten it should not be a real problem. I am glad I visited Lenny (a real gentleman there) as I was considering running the track right across the whole cockpit. Good luck, Tom B

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Re: M_Boats: Traveler
by GILASAILR＠aol.com 05 Oct '14

05 Oct '14

Tyler, There are at least two very simple 'No or Lo' hardware versions of travelers I have used on previous M-15 and my current M-17. Both versions are VERY simple and do not intrude into the cockpit at ALL - the one in use on my current boat (17) does NOT pull the boom to weather . It is my opinion the boat's keels are not efficient enough to benefit from the 'weather setting in light air'. Keel will stall at very low flow and high angles of attack (sounds violent heh?) BTW - I plan on sailing my 17 til ......... love the little thing! Little or No hardware and VERY low expense compared to some alternatives. My last boat (S2 6.7) had a Harken windward sheeting car on a full width track with continuous line control - Way overkill for our small boats - and the prices are nutz! ! There are very easy ways to achieve the desired effect with little or no hardware and great savings. Line and splices/knots are our friend! PM me if you would like a line drawing of either version. Have Fun Go Sailing - local season starts any day ! ! ! GO M-17t sail #354 'Hokey Pokey' "As I hurtled through space, one thought kept crossing my mind - every part of this rocket was supplied by the lowest bidder." - John Glenn In a message dated 10/4/2014 9:55:33 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time, casioqv(a)usermail.com writes: Has anyone tried adding a traveler to the stern, while still keeping the mainsheet adjustment in the original location at the front of the cockpit? It seems like this could still get most of the adjustability without taking up room in the cockpit? I think an M15 could especially benefit from a traveler, because it would enable higher headstay tension without requiring the main to be sheeted to the center. It might make sense to mostly adjust the traveler instead of the mainsheet when changing course? Tyler Davis, CA M15 #157 "Defiant"

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Please excuse error msg...
by c Weiss 04 Oct '14

04 Oct '14

Please excuse earlier email msg sent in error -- a miss-fire while doing boat maintenance... Sail on, Conrad -- SF Bay Cal 31 sailor -- M-Boat wanna-be...

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by c Weiss 04 Oct '14

04 Oct '14

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M10 on Craigslis
by Henry Rodriguez 04 Oct '14

04 Oct '14

FWIW http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sby/boa/4693175370.html -- Henry https://picasaweb.google.com/heinzir

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M Traveler System
by George R. Iemmolo 03 Oct '14

03 Oct '14

Wrinkle Boat Mates One of my winter projects is to install a traveler system on my M15. I found an article by Jerry M on the MSOG for an M17 but I can not find any of the Ronstan hardware listed. Has anyone installed a system on a M15 and if so can you share your experience and hardware list. Thanks in advance George Merry Helen II 96 M15 #602

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Montgomery related - lapstrake boat to get to destination. Video
by GILASAILR＠aol.com 02 Oct '14

02 Oct '14

http://youtu.be/xQ_IQS3VKjA and a place some of us would like to sail......

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Neat website
by Thomas Buzzi 02 Oct '14

02 Oct '14

While perusing the sailboat end of the internet I chanced across an interesting site dealing pretty much with M boats. Go to "M17-375.webs.com". I think that will get you there. The site contains lots of interesting how to's as well as a video or two. It was last updated on Sept.5 so it is active. I tried to leave a message but when I pushed enter I was told that my" text did not match my text", or words to that effect. Whatever that effect was supposed to be. The phrase made no sense to me. Anybody exploring this site and trying to comment, would you please let me know what that phrase meant or how, actually, to leave a message. Lots of stuff on the site is worth replying to. On another subject. I have ordered quite a bit of stainless steel deckware and fittings from "Marine Parts Depot". The prices are very good (up to 50% off local prices) and the quality seems first rate. The fittings are heavy duty and very well designed and polished. They process orders promptly. One caveat, however, their return policy leaves a lot to be desired. In other words there is no return policy despite what they say on their website. So be careful what you buy. I purchased an anchor mount for the bow of my M-17 which turned out to be too small for the anchor shank I will use. After following all their requirements for the return, I have not heard anything from them for over a month. I do hope the site moderator lets this email through as it is extremely important to be able to pool our experiences about boating equipment and situations. That is a major advantage of being able to access a website so totally involved with one particular product, ie. MSOG. It is actually a big selling point for buying a used Montgomery. Fairwinds, Tom B. Mont.17 #258, '77

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