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I love this little boat!
by Henry Rodriguez 18 Oct '14

18 Oct '14

Got my new sails on Saturday, launched on Sunday, had the best sail of the season yesterday! Only a few more days, sadly, before I have to haul her for the winter. Pictures at: https://picasaweb.google.com/101215806559438798863/My1979Montgomery17?nored… -- Henry https://picasaweb.google.com/heinzir

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Montgomery 15 Visits Baja (Long)
by David Grah 17 Oct '14

17 Oct '14

Even though our path as we drove south toward the Bahia de Los Angeles on the Sea of Cortez seemed to be converging with the forecast track of Hurricane Simon, we ended up having a great time on our Montgomery 15, Sky, while we were there last week. We left Bishop after work on Friday and drove to Temecula to spend the night. After visiting with family there in the morning and shopping for food, we got to the border at Tijuana about noon. We had gotten our temporary vehicle import permits online so getting across the border with the boat was no problem at all. Even though some roads near Bahia de Los Angeles had been washed out by the prior hurricane, Hurricane Odile, roads were generally in good shape with some pothole-y sections. Even though the roads were generally in good shape, they tended to be bumpy and narrow. The bumpy roads coupled with the stiff trailer suspension meant the boat had a pretty harsh ride the whole time south of the border. There are a lot of towns to get through between the border and El Rosario, which is a bit over 200 miles south of the border, I think, so we got there about dark and stayed at Baja Cactus hotel, which was outstanding and cheap, and ate at the restaurant next door. The next morning we drove the rest of the way to Bahia de Los Angeles, a little under 200 miles, I think, and got there mid afternoon. This part of the drive was great with spectacular scenery the whole way. There were a few washouts on the road from the main Baja highway, Highway 1, to Bahia de Los Angeles, but they had excellent detours and were no problem. We spent the afternoon exploring the area and then stayed and ate dinner at the Casa de Sol hotel. The next morning we loaded up the boat and launched near high tide on the only ramp in Bahia de Los Angeles that was open after all the damage caused by Hurricane Odile. The ramp was narrow, shallow, and rough due to the damage but entirely usable with a trailer extension (our trailer actually doesn't have an extension so we use a trailer hitch extension instead). We sailed to the south end of the bay in a light east wind under cloudy skies. This part of the bay is known for its whale sharks at certain times of the year and they were all over the place! We had the chance to swim with them and while I was swimming with these fish much longer than the boat, one ran into the boat. We also saw dolphins (or porpoise, I realize I don't know the difference), turtles, and all sorts of birds enjoying various feeding frenzies. We sailed around the south part of the bay and out to the local hurricane hole, Puerto Don Juan. There were 7 other boats there while Simon decided what it was going to do. We spent 2 nights and one rainy day there and a lot of our stuff got wet. But, it wasn't bad with two people spending all that time on a little boat waiting out the weather. Along with the rain were some moderate winds, which I don't think ever got out of the 20's. The next day we sailed out of Puerto Don Juan north up through the islands of the Bay. The sailing was great and the day was warm despite the overcast. We ducked into one bay on the north side of Isla Ventana and found three small two masted boats anchored near shore with another sailing that way. They were very attractive boats, especially under sail, and apparently associated with some sort of college class or club. We sailed on from there beating into a wind in the high teens against substantial chop to a pleasant lagoon near the south end of Isla Coronado. There was about a 10 foot tidal swing while we were there and there was a substantial current coming out of the lagoon when we went in. The next morning a low tide, the way out was essentially dry so we had to wait for the tide to come in to get out. When it came in, it came in with a vengeance. But not a bad one I guess because it was a lot of fun snorkeling around the entrance waiting for the water to get deep enough and the current to let enough to get out. >From there we motored to the north end of Isla Smith in sunny and almost calm conditions, motored back south a ways to snorkel along the island's west side, and then motored back north for the night. Through the night the water got shallower and shallower until it was less than 2 feet deep and we hoped the common strong west winds that pick up some times during the night wouldn't appear and bring some 2 foot-or-so waves with it. It worked out fine. Because of all the rain from the various hurricanes that had been through in the last few weeks, there were a lot of insects. Most were just regular flies that were just irritating but some places on land had some biting flies and our last night on the boat near the north end of Isla Coronado we had a real problem with biting "noseeums". These things were tiny but they bit us all night. We still have some bumps from those little buggers. The next morning we left the boat and hiked up the 1,500 foot volcano at the north end of Isla Corronado. The hike was brutally humid for two people used to a dry desert climate. We made it to the top and had a great view of the bay and surrounding islands. We motored and sailed back to the Bahia de Los Angels town and got back there right at high tide so we could get the boat out of the water as easily as possible. We got weather every morning from a shortwave net and that worked really well. We had bought a $100 Sony shortwave receiver for the trip. The bugs were irritating but were completely overwhelmed by all the great things about the trip. We really hope to make it back next fall. Getting back across the border was miserable and involved sitting in line for 3 hours and a special inspection. The inspection was fine. Also, the Mexican temporary import permits for the truck and boat required that we check in with the Mexican authorities at the border but, after that 3 hour wait, we found we had to go somewhere else to find those Mexican authorities. Not checking out when we left Mexico may make it hard or prevent us from bring the truck or boat back next year. I haven't written the best report here but I have to say it was a really great trip! We would highly recommend Bahia de Los Angeles as a cruising destination for a trailer sailor. David Grah Bishop California Montgomery 15 - Sky

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Sage 15 & Sage Cat shows?
by stevetrapp 14 Oct '14

14 Oct '14

Dave, Saw your ad for introducting the Sage 15; Sage Cat, and Sage Sloop in the November - December 2014 issue of Small Craft Advisor. Do you plan to show either of those boats in the Pacific Northwest, at the Seattle Boatshow, or Portland Boatshow, or in Port Townsend, Spokane, or Couer D' Alene? Steve M-15 # 335

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M-15 Ballast
by Antonio Martinez 09 Oct '14

09 Oct '14

I understand the trim/ballast issues. What I didn't know was whether the lead production phase was ingots or pellets. The bricks i have a relatively small - I think I estimated 1-1.5x3-4" (?) which would mean 75-100 lbs or so IIRC. . I'll try to get back in and take a look. I think I could remove them w/out too much trouble if i needed to. Will see how she sits w/out crew. I did find this Jerrry quote on webs: *Summer 85; # 335, Added 50 lbs of trim ballast forward, making total of 75, then changed 50 of that to a steel plate to make more room for those who wanted to install an elect pkg. *(my M15 is #405) And I think the previous (known) two owners sailed mostly solo. Or at least a great deal of hardware was added to bring all control lines to the cockpit... Thanks all for replies! Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2014 12:04:27 -0700 > From: "stevetrapp" <stevetrapp(a)q.com> > To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Subject: Re: M_Boats: M-15 Ballast > Message-ID: <C2DDF781177C42E080145529BDCFAA30@STEVEEW> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > One way to avoid the problem of too much weight in the aft of an M-15 > is to not sail solo. The weight of the crew person helps balance the boat, > plus I think it is more fun to always have another person aboard, and it is > safer. > Steve > M-15 # 335 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Howard Audsley" <haudsley(a)tranquility.net> > To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" < > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2014 6:30 AM > Subject: Re: M_Boats: M-15 Ballast > > > Difficult to tell the scale as to the size of those ingots and how much > they might weigh. > > There has been some discussion over the years about how the M15 points > better with the skipper's weight forward. The idea is to keep her level, > fore and aft, vs. squatting in the aft end. When that happens, the bow > weathercocks away from the wind. Think lee helm. Nothing wrong with the > design of the boat, it is just that it is small enough to be affected by > weight in the aft end. If one skipper weighs 150 pounds, and another > 250......they extra weight in the aft end will matter. > > To compensate, people will move the weight of coolers, water jugs, etc. > forward when under sail, and will sit as far forward as possible, use > tiller extensions, hiking sticks, longer tillers, etc. to enable them to do > it. All this being an attempt to balance the weight fore and aft. > > This looks like an attempt by someone to install more permanent ballast > forward. Again, nothing wrong with the boat as designed, it is simply a > small boat that is affected by as little as the skipper's weight. The M17's > are too, just not as much. > > If those are small ingots, and are permanently attached with epoxy, you > might be "stuck" with them. > > > On Oct 6, 2014, at 6:55 PM, AM wrote: > > > http://icenine.smugmug.com/Sailing/i-fpFGP2J/0/L/M15%20ballast-L.jpg > > > > Dave: You are correct - I misspoke... I meant to say forward most > > compartment (usually screwed shut). Take a look at photo in link. These > > are directly against bulkhead in the bow compartment. I've read that > > Monty's eventually went to lead ballast - is this what replaced all the > > little steel punchings? Or does this look added? > > > > The boat sails well, but of course it's my first M-15 so I would not > > necessarily know if it's been mucked with. > > > > Cheers, > > a > > > > Message: 1 > > Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2014 07:02:31 -0600 > > From: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> > > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > > Subject: Re: M_Boats: M-15 Ballast > > Message-ID: > > <CAGjBOA67JBQNBY=cO4R0LX=z4138Lfg=pUhD6m0c+6YkRwkpaA(a)mail.gmail.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > > > Those bricks are not stock. Where are they located? > > > > You wrote 'aft locker'. The 15 does not have a aft locker, just two port > and > > starboard lockers. > > > > Foam should fill 2/3rd of the under forward vberth and under the cockpit > > floor. > > > > :: Dave Scobie > > :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA > > :: Former M15 owner > > On Oct 6, 2014 6:37 AM, "AM" <middleriverstudio(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > >> New-to-me M-15. Aft locker is missing most of the foam (will soon > >> remedy with noodles) and I see lead (?) ballast bricks. Is this > >> stock, or did someone add more lead? I know it's supposed to have a > >> hump here, but photos I've seen looked a bit different. Anyone else > >> have same bricks? > >> > >> > >> > >> Thx > >> > >> a > > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2014 15:13:30 -0600 > From: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Subject: Re: M_Boats: M-15 Ballast > Message-ID: > < > CAGjBOA5AwdFXwzzk2anQMZ1dzxC0OwsFQnYmBfPPUJUKusLm6w(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > Jerry did go to lead ballast. the ballast used is lead shot, the same > product used in #6 or #8 shotgun shells. > > with the added description i agree with others that this is someones effort > to ad trim ballast. > > if there is no more than about 50lbs of lead you should be fine. this is > about the same as the weight i had on my M15 after i installed the > electrical system (a group 24 battery weights about 50 lbs). > > another check is to put the boat in the water. look at how she is > sitting. if she no more than a 'bit' bow down you are OK. > > the M15 isn't under-ballasted so what you want to do is assure the boat is > not sitting off her lines. > > -- > :: Dave Scobie > :: former M15 owner - www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred > :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - www.m17-375.webs.com > > > > > On Oct 6, 2014, at 6:55 PM, AM wrote: > > > > > http://icenine.smugmug.com/Sailing/i-fpFGP2J/0/L/M15%20ballast-L.jpg > > > > > > Dave: You are correct - I misspoke... I meant to say forward most > > > compartment (usually screwed shut). Take a look at photo in link. > These > > > are directly against bulkhead in the bow compartment. I've read that > > > Monty's eventually went to lead ballast - is this what replaced all the > > > little steel punchings? Or does this look added? > > > > > > The boat sails well, but of course it's my first M-15 so I would not > > > necessarily know if it's been mucked with. > > > > > > Cheers, > > > a > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2014 18:06:42 -0400 > From: Rick Davies <jdavies104(a)gmail.com> > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Outboard Motor for M17 > Message-ID: > < > CA+0OvVh66BwWgzHX5-pUP8Cjy49aNMsk2hKK5hujZBgQvivhMQ(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > Can't beat a 2 horse long shaft Honda for an M17. Weighs less than 30 lb. > Had mine for 7 years and never needed anything more. > > Rick > M17 #633 > Lynne L > > On Wednesday, October 8, 2014, Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > 6HP is more than is needed. the weight is the real problem of a 4-cycle > > outboard of the 6HP type > > > > my 4HP suzuki is just a 'de-tuned' 6HP outboard. weights about 65 or so > > lbs. no fun to carry or lift onto the outboard bracket. also a lot of > > weight hanging aft of the transom. > > > > so i say use that old Johnson! it is lighter than my 4HP! > > > > -- > > :: Dave Scobie > > :: former M15 owner - www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred > > :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - www.m17-375.webs.com > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2014 17:35:29 -0500 > From: Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi(a)gmail.com> > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Subject: M_Boats: Outboard Motor for M17 > Message-ID: > <CA+TbpAUAOrDAA8hEm= > 23euBu9kJpd-_X+nv45uyWsnv8Z101fA(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > That's good news, Rick, > I will end up with a 3.5 for mine for the very reasons that Dave mentioned > earlier. Was concerned that the 3.5 might not be enough. > Tom B > > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > montgomery_boats mailing list > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > https://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet! > > > ------------------------------ > > End of montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 140, Issue 10 > ************************************************* > -- *Antonio Martinez, LEED AP* Middle River Studio Verona, VA 540-248-3310 (h) 540-414-4782 (c)

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Outboard Motor for M17
by Thomas Buzzi 08 Oct '14

08 Oct '14

That's good news, Rick, I will end up with a 3.5 for mine for the very reasons that Dave mentioned earlier. Was concerned that the 3.5 might not be enough. Tom B

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Re: M_Boats: Outboard Motor for M17
by bownez＠juno.com 08 Oct '14

08 Oct '14

Hi Henry, I believe a sailing buddy has a long shaft 2-stroke for sale. I'll check with him. Bones ____________________________________________________________ Map Your Flood Risk Find Floodplan Maps, Facts, FAQs, Your Flood Risk Profile and More! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/5433ddc548df5dc4025bst03vuc

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M-15 Ballast
by AM 08 Oct '14

08 Oct '14

http://icenine.smugmug.com/Sailing/i-fpFGP2J/0/L/M15%20ballast-L.jpg Dave: You are correct - I misspoke... I meant to say forward most compartment (usually screwed shut). Take a look at photo in link. These are directly against bulkhead in the bow compartment. I've read that Monty's eventually went to lead ballast - is this what replaced all the little steel punchings? Or does this look added? The boat sails well, but of course it's my first M-15 so I would not necessarily know if it's been mucked with. Cheers, a Message: 1 Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2014 07:02:31 -0600 From: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: M-15 Ballast Message-ID: <CAGjBOA67JBQNBY=cO4R0LX=z4138Lfg=pUhD6m0c+6YkRwkpaA(a)mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Those bricks are not stock. Where are they located? You wrote 'aft locker'. The 15 does not have a aft locker, just two port and starboard lockers. Foam should fill 2/3rd of the under forward vberth and under the cockpit floor. :: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA :: Former M15 owner On Oct 6, 2014 6:37 AM, "AM" <middleriverstudio(a)gmail.com> wrote: > New-to-me M-15. Aft locker is missing most of the foam (will soon > remedy with noodles) and I see lead (?) ballast bricks. Is this > stock, or did someone add more lead? I know it's supposed to have a > hump here, but photos I've seen looked a bit different. Anyone else > have same bricks? > > > > Thx > > a

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M-17 (Project) for sale in NW Louisiana.
by k docter 08 Oct '14

08 Oct '14

I spotted a M-17 in a storage lot a couple years ago. It took some tracking down the out of state owner, but I finally rescued the M-17 and have the title in my name. I gave him $900 for it...now I just want it out of my backyard. I rescued it out of my love for Monty's. Anyone interested in a winter project call or text Kendall at 318.470.5749. Or email me at kdocter(a)bellsouth.net for pictures.

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forestay
by Charles Hill 07 Oct '14

07 Oct '14

I want to install CDI roller furling on my M-15. My question is. Since I have to change the forestay to a turnbuckle arrangement plus buy a new sail, would it be advisable to go to a Masthead configuration since I live in an area of light winds most of the year? This is the second time I have posted this with no responses. Does anyone have Dave Scobies email? Also: I have a 2012 Honda 2hp longshaft OB for sale. Charles Hill 865-438-0600 chsail36(a)aol.com

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Albemarle Sound Cruising Area
by Michael Murphy 06 Oct '14

06 Oct '14

Explored the western end of the Albemarle Sound this weekend from the Scuppernong River to the Little Alligator River. Only 30 miles south of Virginia the 9 rivers feeding it offer a lot of scenic cruising. Found a decent spot to anchor until the winds clocked to the north & picked up to 15 knots with gusts to 20 which made the boat veer back & forth. A 2nd anchor on a short scope reduced the sheering to a comfortable level. The Albemarle has some of the most spectacular sun rises I've ever experienced. Unlke my last trip the winds were consistently good at 12-14 knots most of the time. The NNW wind built up a little chop but the M-15 handled it pretty especially on the starboard tack. Mike, Fionnula

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