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Re: M_Boats: windward sheeting traveler
by GILASAILR＠aol.com 20 Nov '15

20 Nov '15

John - If you mount the track 'between' the seat tops just below or flush - you will have reduced the amount of travel by a substantial amount taking into account the width of the traveler car (w i d e) very little windward sheeting effect would be realized. Especially after installation of the controls at each end. I believe Jerry and I are at odds on this issue - he's nutz anyway! I carry my mainsheet ever so slightly to weather ONLY when sheeted in 101% and I see NO penalty in pointing and a benefit in speed as the rig doesn't overpower the keel/rudder. In other words the boat goes faster upwind with LESS leeway - this has been verified to my level of amusement with speedo and sailing next 'known quantity' boat to compare. I haven't seen that the keel/CB on a 17 is capable of taking the over trimmed mainsail position and translating it into forward movement at such tight weather angles (whew - some 'scary talk' there!) Just my opinion - Make your traveler fit your needs - racing or R/Cruise or ? I wouldn't worry about 'lost advantage' not having traveler move to weather - It hasn't shown it's face in my opinion. Just ANOTHER one of my 'kia' rants - Make your cockpit work for you! ( I just hate people spending $500+ bucks on a set of parts that will provide little benefit and would be better spent on a new mainsail!) Disclaimer - this applies to M-17's only -I haven't played with the travelers on my 15 or a 23. Have fun working on your boat - that and sailing them are the reason. Take Care,Have Fun, Go Sailing! GO In a message dated 11/19/2015 2:09:40 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, john(a)eco-living.net writes: Sounds like what came as a former owner modification with my M-17 Pajarita. Your explanation helps me grok what was initially a somewhat confounding piece of hardware. So I'll be able to use it more effectively. However Pajarita's was mounted atop the cockpit seats, interfering with the lounging feature of the long cockpit, and increasing obstruction of companionway. I like how it works for windward trim, and, I don't like the seat and companionway interference. I am pondering re-mounting it between the cockpit seats - flush with top, or even a little below. This would somewhat reduce companionway obstruction, remove the seating/lounging interference, require cutting it down in width a bit, but retain most of the windward trim value. Any thoughts from anyone on that modification? thanks, John S. On 11/19/2015 12:27 PM, Bill Wickett wrote: > Bones may have meant a windward sheeting traveller. Harken makes this. Has > been one of the best additions to Makin' Time I have made. I have been much > more likely to make traveller adjustments with it as a habit, vs the OEM > pin stop traveller. > > Requires new track as well as a new car, and a couple of standing blocks > (optional)and strap eyes on the sides of the cockpit well. The new track > did not have the same hole spacing as the old unfortunately. So a bit of > time potting the old holes and oversize drilling, potting and redrilling > the new holes. Was so worth it for me. Oh yeah, crawling under the cockpit > and hack sawing off the projecting bolt ends. We stored a fair bit of stuff > there and it was surprising how much difference a 1/2" extra bolt length > meant in not catching on stuff. Cut them off while on a 25nm passage across > Lake Ontario. Put the tiller pilot on, Julie kept watch and I went below. > > The leeward pressure of the main sheet connected to the traveller car opens > the leeward cam cleat, allowing you to pull to windward to get the car > above center, without having to uncleat the leeward car. That same leeward > pressure allows the windward cam cleat to close. A very one handed > operation. > > We use the traveller adjustment much more than the main sheet when tacking > to windward. > > On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 10:29 AM, Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > >> What is a "self sheeting traveler"? >> >> On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 7:59 AM, bownez(a)juno.com <bownez(a)juno.com> wrote: >> >>> Hey Josh, >>> >>> Sean Mulligan had the only M23 I have seen with a dodger. He sold >>> Dauntless to some other M boat folks. >>> I have jib cars on my M23, I think most folks just clip blocks onto the >>> toe rail. >>> >>> If you are anxious to spend money on hardware, I would recommend a self >>> sheeting traveler. I love mine. >>> >>> Mr. Bones >>> ____________________________________________________________ >>> Easy Ways to Destroy Your Digestion >>> Hattaka K et al, "Effect of long term consumption of probiotic milk on >> ... >>> http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/564dd6041d26e560346bast01vuc >>> >>> >> -- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john(a)eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com

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A little breeze to the west
by Thomas Buzzi 19 Nov '15

19 Nov '15

Well I took the plunge. No pun intended and bought this book from Amazon. They do not make it available on kimble so had to spring for the postage. UGH! Am looking forward to a good read though. Throw another log on the fire ;) Tom B

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Re: M_Boats: Canvas and Cars
by bownez＠juno.com 19 Nov '15

19 Nov '15

Hey Josh, Sean Mulligan had the only M23 I have seen with a dodger. He sold Dauntless to some other M boat folks. I have jib cars on my M23, I think most folks just clip blocks onto the toe rail. If you are anxious to spend money on hardware, I would recommend a self sheeting traveler. I love mine. Mr. Bones ____________________________________________________________ Easy Ways to Destroy Your Digestion Hattaka K et al, "Effect of long term consumption of probiotic milk on ... http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/564dd6041d26e560346bast01vuc

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Re: M_Boats: New link for the book
by Dave Scobie 19 Nov '15

19 Nov '15

the new link worked great! book ordered. -- :: Dave Scobie :: former M15 owner - www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - www.m17-375.webs.com On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 5:51 PM, Michael Mann <mannatsea88(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote: > > Due to some account changes we had to retire the title and immediately > re-upload the book. Amazon is not able to retire the old page quite that > fast, so two pages show up. To access the book now, either use the new link > or go to the Amazon website and type in *A Little Breeze to the West*. > (the retired title shows unavailable and the current title shows a price). > Sorry for any inconvenience. > > http://www.amazon.com/Little-Breeze-West-Adventures-single-handed/dp/151937… > Michael Mann > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> > *To:* mannatsea88 <mannatsea88(a)sbcglobal.net> > *Sent:* Wednesday, November 18, 2015 3:32 PM > *Subject:* Re: M_Boats: A Little Breeze to the West by Michael Mann > > Michael: > > just tried again ... Amazon still states 'Out of Print--Limited > Availability.' > > :: Dave Scobie > >

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Waldo Lake Video
by David Grah 19 Nov '15

19 Nov '15

Here's a video from a nice day of sailing Waldo Lake in Oregon last summer: Montgomery 15 Sailing on Waldo Lake | | | | | | | | | | | Montgomery 15 Sailing on Waldo Lake | | | | View on www.youtube.com | Preview by Yahoo | | | | | David GrahBishop CaliforniaMontgomery 15 - Sky

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A Little Breeze to the West by Michael Mann
by Michael Mann 19 Nov '15

19 Nov '15

Good day all, I have finally managed to put together a book chronicling my adventures as I sailed my Montgomery 15 (Little Breeze) to Hawaii back in 1982. Better late than never. A Little Breeze to the West is now available on Amazon. http://www.amazon.com/Little-Breeze-West-Adventures-single-handed/dp/151757… Pursue your dreams, Michael Mann

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Canvas and Cars
by Josh Bloom 18 Nov '15

18 Nov '15

Looking for good pics and measurements for dodger and Bimini set up for m23 Also looking for good set up for adjustable cars along toe rail for jib lines that can possibly be adjusted under load. I saw someone had that but can't remember where I saw it. Please advise Thanks in advance sailors JpB~

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Little Breeze M15
by Michael Mann 18 Nov '15

18 Nov '15

Hi, My name is Michael Mann and in 1982, I sailed the Montgomery 15, Little Breeze from CA to Hawaii. I see on the web site that she has been rescued by new owners in Hawaii and I would love to correspond with them. I am currently sailing on a container ship headed for Honolulu and would welcome the chance to make contact. Thanks for any info. Michael Mann

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New Member
by Josh Bloom 16 Nov '15

16 Nov '15

I am new to the group and just sold my s2 for a Montgomery 23 1980. I bought her from the original owner an she has been all over the Chesapeake and San Francisco. More coming soon on my projects and hope to be able to ask people about theirs to! Does anyone have goo recommendations for dodger and bimini as my boat currently does not have. I live in MN. SailorBoyJosh

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Little Breeze
by SALGLESSER＠aol.com 16 Nov '15

16 Nov '15

Congrats Michael. Looking forward to reading it. salngail

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