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Re: M_Boats: Nostalgia
by Keith 31 Jan '16

31 Jan '16

We started off using majordomo software with no archiving available. I think it was about a year later that the archiving featue was added, but now that I've achieved dual citizenship my memory is not to be trusted. The first extant archive is from August, 1996! --------------------------------------------- From: Randolph I Palmer <palmerri(a)uwec.edu> Subject: M_Boats: 12" tires Date: 09 Aug 1996 11:41:01 EST Hi all, I was told by a tire place or two that car rims were shaped different than car rims (something about the cornering) and you could have some problems. They recommended having someone look at the rims before buying tires. They may have been givng me a big line, for all I know. I opted to go with 13 inch rims even though it meant raising the fenders. There is a lot more tire there to absorb bumps which I always encounter on road construction. Besides that, the bigger tires were needed to make the trailer "nuclear bomb proof" as Jerry M. claimed of the M17 trailers (was he exaggerating a bit here?). The 12" tires really spin at highway speeds (but then I've been passed by people pulling boats with 8" rims (Yikes!) Anyway, I'd talk to a reputable tire man about the rims. Randy P. M23 "Early Light" M15 "Oui-1" M7-11 anonymous ps: I'll try to get the Portsmouth ratings for all the Montgomery's next weekend. --------------------------------------'- Sent from my SmartPhone, thus explaining the typos On Jan 30, 2016, at 7:45 PM, Bob Eeg wrote: I subscribed to the paper newsletter and came on board when Keith opened for business. Late 98 or 99.

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Re: M_Boats: Safety Equip on your boat...
by Mark Dvorscak 31 Jan '16

31 Jan '16

I agree that true class 3 pfds with integral harness are superior to inflatables in that you have no worries about whether they will work or not. The main objective is to stay on board. Research thoroughly, but what you will use and commit to using it every time. Sent from my U.S. Cellular® smartphone John Schinnerer <john(a)eco-living.net> wrote: >On 01/30/2016 08:00 PM, Mark Dvorscak wrote: >> I would go with 2 tethers and 2 inflatable pfds with harnesses. > >I never can understand how someone will trust their life to a G-string >of theoretically inflatable nylon with a mechanism that might not work >in a true emergency required to make it function. A.k.a "inflatable PFDs. > >I recommend "real" class III PFDs that always work as long as you are >wearing them properly - no inflation needed. Modern class III PFDs are >sleek, slim, secure, can be bought with safety tether harness/attachment >built in, restrict movement minimally if at all, are not bulky and >clunky, often have some handy pockets and clip points for knife, radio, >etc.. > >This opinion comes from my experience as a paddlesports instructor and >recreational paddler - canoe, kayak, outrigger; still, moving, white, >and ocean waters. >Here's a paddlesports professional's analysis - most of what he >identifies as additional risks applies IMO to sailing as well - >sometimes same reasons, sometimes variations (there's no spray skirt in >use on a sailboat but there are other potential complications). >http://www.exploreri.org/documents/How_about_those_inflatable_PFDs.pdf > >I've only used harness and tether on one occasion, on a Corsair 31 tri. >The skipper rigged a webbing jackline around the deck (which is the >cabin top) perimeter, more like safety lines on a kayak deck. No >stanchions, and with the tether on me, I sure would not have wanted to >deal with them. Just keeping it free of the winches, clutches, etc. was >enough trouble. > >cheers, >John S. > >> keep both you and your crew on board. Think about what the young guy would >> face if you want overboard suddenly leaving him alone on the boat. You will >> also need to install some stout, dedicated attachment points in the >> cockpit, at the mast and at the bow. I have found jacklines to be less than >> ideal on our small boats having tried them both on my 17 and 23 (they were >> great however on the Passport 42 I crewed down to mexico). With three >> attachment points i find it easy to move from one to the other quickly with >> very little unclipped transition time. I regularly sail our M23 offshore >> with a firm rule of always tethered outside the cockpit, in the cockpit in >> rough conditions or in the cockpit alone or at night. The only time I think >> I would string the jacklines would be if I were to do an overnight or >> longer offshore sail. >> Also, I would definitely keep some good visual distress signals (both hand >> held and aerial on board. >> Another personal rule is no one under 18 crosses the bar in my boat >> although you won't face that hazard sailing out of Gig Harbor. >> That's my 2¢ to add to the list you've already started. >> On Jan 29, 2016 20:16, "Jazzy" <jazzydaze(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> So as I'm dinking around with the electrics I can't help but think about >>> going sailing! With this in mind, my first purchases after getting all the >>> lighting going will be safety equipment. >>> >>> I live in Gig Harbor, WA. When the family is on board it will be super >>> nice days and mild conditions. When I'm solo sailing (90% of the time), I >>> can't even tell you the nasty stuff I've been in with my snipe and rain >>> coat! So thats a different story. Glad to be alive. Anyway... so you see, >>> I have two scenarios I sail under that I need to accommodate. >>> >>> >>> Here's what is on my short list so far: >>> >>> Whistle (air horn can on board already) >>> 2 Coastal Inflatable PFDs >>> 1 Offshore Inflatable PFD with Harness (for me solo sailing, or when little >>> guy is onboard- he's 13) >>> 1 Tether >>> 1 Emergency Blanket (onboard) >>> 1 Handheld Radio (thinking ICOM) >>> 2 Throwable Seat Cushions >>> 1 Telescoping Paddle >>> 1 Water Proof Chart of the local Area (onboard) >>> 1 GPS Chartplotter/Sonar (onboard) >>> Assortment of basic tools ( wrenches, pliers, screwdrivers, 3m sealer)... >>> tell if you have something besides! >>> 1 8lb Dansforth (onboard) >>> >>> Undecided about what to do about Visual Distress Signals. There are some >>> expired flares and such on board, but that won't help with the coast guard. >>> So I need something >>> >>> Next week west marine is handing back $50 bucks if you spend $300 and it >>> just so happens to be my birthday then, so I shall reap marine presents! >>> AND Seattle Boat Show same week! >>> >>> What do you all have/recommend? >>> And if you have time...whats your potti situation? I have nothing in this >>> area besides good balance. >>> >>> I apologize for my million questions, you all are very kind attending to my >>> newbieness. >>> >>> -= Jazz >>> > >-- >John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design >-------------------------------------------- >- Eco-Living - >Whole Systems Design Services >People - Place - Learning - Integration >john(a)eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 >http://eco-living.net >http://sociocracyconsulting.com >

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30 Jan '16

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by Keith Diehl 30 Jan '16

30 Jan '16

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Re: M_Boats: Nostalgia
by Keith 30 Jan '16

30 Jan '16

Could be a winner! Anyone earlier? Sent from my SmartPhone, thus explaining the typos -------- Original message -------- From: Howard Audsley <haudsley(a)tranquility.net> Date:01/30/2016 2:58 PM (GMT-07:00) To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Nostalgia I'm a newb. Only been around since September of '99. On Jan 30, 2016, at 3:51 PM, Keith wrote: <snip> > Who, other than myself, has been on the list the longest? >

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Re: M_Boats: forum or email
by Thomas Buzzi 29 Jan '16

29 Jan '16

This whole line came about to try to enhance and enlarge the pool or information and being able to post pictures of what is being done to aid in understanding. I like the existing website too but when it comes time to share information, especially where a photo would be JUST the thing, there turns out to be reefs in that pool of knowledge. I am into my 7th decade so do not take change lightly but also realize even more the power and desirability of in depth communication. Seems that the best of all worlds would be to enhance by whatever means, the present MSOG sight to include a couple of choice improvements. My two cents ( 1/2 cent before inflation) :>} <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campai…> This email has been sent from a virus-free computer protected by Avast. www.avast.com <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campai…> <#DDB4FAA8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2>

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forum or email
by David Grah 29 Jan '16

29 Jan '16

I think Larry Yake and Sal Glesser make good points and would be fine if we stick with what we have and that works in the absence of a compelling reason to change. I wonder if there would be a way to continue this as the arena for the group but figure out a way to supplement it with something else where photos are important. Maybe there is a way not to loose this great thing we have going, get better photo posting, and maybe enhanced search capability? Keith thanks again for making this group work. I find it incredibly valuable. David GrahBishop CaliforniaMontgomery 15 - Sky

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Re: M_Boats: forum or email
by GILASAILR＠aol.com 29 Jan '16

29 Jan '16

+1..............centralized is good. In a message dated 1/28/2016 9:01:11 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time, larryyake(a)gmail.com writes: Sounds like almost everyone who has contributed to this conversation is all for moving. However, there are a great many more of us out there that haven't been heard from. Maybe because we are happy with what we have. I, for one, do not like the forum / sub forum type of list. Divide a group into pieces and you lose the group. There are already other Montgomery sites out there, with the Trailer Sailor group, the Facebook group, and even the one on the Sage site... and for the most part you have different people in each group. We are already getting splintered into factions. Dividing us further, by boat size, topic, etc. might serve those who are only interested in a special topic for the moment, but in my opinion does not serve us well as a body of sailors. Yes, I've been called a dinosaur before, because I prefer to stay with things that work and the simpler the better. That is also why I sail a Montgomery. Larry Yake M17 CornDog On Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 7:23 AM, Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi(a)gmail.com> wrote: > This sounds quick and easy, Dave. Thanks. > < > https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campai… > > > This > email has been sent from a virus-free computer protected by Avast. > www.avast.com > < > https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campai… > > > <#DDB4FAA8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> > > On Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 6:51 AM, Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > > > Sage Marine can host the forum. No charge. The software is vbulletin. > > Have an Mboat section currently - > > > > > > > http://www.sagemarine.us/forum/forumdisplay.php?14-Montgomery-Dinks-15-17-a… > > > > I can add moderators to the Mboat section. Create new subforums (ie, for > > each boat type). The software will host photos and document attachments > > (videos are still best done on YouTube and linked to a post in the > forum). > > > > A moderator system would be good so if there is a problem with a > post/user > > a group can make decisions instead of an individual (I've done such a > thing > > with forums I've moderated for 10+ years). > > > > :: Dave Scobie > > >

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