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Re: M_Boats: Additional floatation...
by GILASAILR＠aol.com 04 Feb '16

04 Feb '16

I like the 'danger' factor - the thrill of a possible sinking every time I go out. Floatation be damned! My father-in-law had a big thing about floatation - every time a new boat with positive floatation was designed, he was all over it and ready to buy one (30' +/- range!) We were going to sail the unsinkable boat to Israel - finally gave up on the idea - never wore his PFD though - go figure. Last modification to his last boat was a bulb attached to the keel - that didn't help much either(!) - but it was HIS modification! Bless Maurice and his 'modifications' (many worked) 'Maury's Schmatta' - an interesting 'boned jib'. (didn't work so well either!) But he was ONE HELLUVA sail racer! Have Fun, Modify your boat if you want, Go Sail (it is easier and it already works fine) GO In a message dated 2/4/2016 3:53:35 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, jerry(a)jerrymontgomery.org writes: Which is the reason we never put floatation in the 17! -----Original Message----- From: Tyler Backman Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2016 1:40 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Additional floatation... The M17 at 1600 lbs displaces about 726 liters of water when floating, so to remain buoyant it would need to have at least that much volume when submerged. To make it buoyant, one would need to have total 0.726 cublic meters of submerged volume without adding much weight. So to be safe and compensate for dense gear like tools and batteries, you'd probably want about a cubic meter or about 35 cubic feet of styrofoam - nearly the total storage volume you estimated. It's doable, but would really cut into storage space. Tyler > On Feb 4, 2016, at 11:55 AM, swwheatley(a)comcast.net wrote: > > Has anyone done the calculation for an M17? My WAG is it would take around > 40 cubic feet to keep the gunwales awash. There is definitely 20 cubic > feet of space under the cockpit and I'll bet you could find another 20 > cubic feet under the v-berth and in the forepeak. I'm not suggesting this > SHOULD be done, but I think it COULD be done. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Dave Scobie" <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> > To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Sent: Wednesday, February 3, 2016 8:26:03 PM > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Additional floatation... > > The M17 will NOT float with just foam under vberth and cockpit floor. > > The M15 WILL float with foam under the vberth and cockpit floor. Foam was > standard on all Jerry built M15s. > > :: Dave Scobie > On Feb 3, 2016 6:10 PM, "Willy Gorrissen" <gorrissen(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > >> Does that hold true, that you would have to fill the boat with flotation, >> for the M-15's? >> >>> Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2016 17:21:36 -0700 >>> From: scoobscobie(a)gmail.com >>> To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com >>> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Additional floatation... >>> >>> The Montgomery 17s don't have flotation. With their weight you have to >> fill >>> the cabin with foam in order to float the boat. >>> >>> :: Dave Scobie >>> On Feb 3, 2016 4:41 PM, "Jazzy" <jazzydaze(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> I understand the benefits of additional floatation, but El Nino is >> crammed >>>> packed with it and it takes up alot of room. Is it really necessary? >> What >>>> do you all have? >>>> >>>> https://www.dropbox.com/s/5eie4bberviskob/20160202_145711.jpg?dl=0 >>>> >>>> Jazz >>>> On Feb 3, 2016 3:35 PM, "Jazzy" <jazzydaze(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Does this drain get a screen or cap of some kind? I see it's >> threaded as >>>>> if... >>>>> https://www.dropbox.com/s/vtnf7z48lia529k/20160202_152613.jpg?dl=0 >>>>> >>>>> Jazz >>>>> >>>> >> >

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Forestay
by David Hill 03 Feb '16

03 Feb '16

Advice please. I put a CDI furler on my M17 with the required toggle at the masthead. That made the forestay longer, and even with the toggle bolts on both stays screwed down as tight as they go, the rig is a bit floppy. Should I get a new, shorter forestay? Add a backstay adjuster? Thanks, David M17 619

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Re: M_Boats: Gudgeon measurements for sliding rudder
by Bruce Ward 02 Feb '16

02 Feb '16

I did the same replacement on our M17 a few years ago and bought the gudgeons for the Catalina 25 which are sized for a half inch rod and have delrin inserts that provide smooth action. They are built well and I recommend them as an option. Our hull number was 32 from 1974 with the sane two gudgeon setup. I also made anew nacra foil rudder from scatch with laminated mahogony. Sent from my iPad

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Where does this wire end?
by Jazzy 02 Feb '16

02 Feb '16

https://www.dropbox.com/s/he3d0wj5fm3ayno/20160128_174720.jpg?dl=0 Your looking from the v berth out towards the companion way at the "ceiling" over the sink...the blue and green wire that feeds that little bus bar goes into the fiberglass there. I can't for the life of me find the other end. The little bus bar is unpowered at the moment and the blue/green feeds it. On a positive note...stern light is now working from panel for the first time in forever like the nav light! Whoohooo! Jazz

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Re: M_Boats: Browsing old Messages...
by Keith 02 Feb '16

02 Feb '16

Browse to https://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats Read down and you'll find a link to the Mailman archives and an ftp link (should open OK in a Web browser) to the the old majordomo archives from last century. :) Sent from my SmartPhone, thus explaining the typos -------- Original message -------- From: Jazzy <jazzydaze(a)gmail.com> Date:02/01/2016 10:17 AM (GMT-07:00) To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: M_Boats: Browsing old Messages... Can someone tell me how to browse old stuff? Thanks... Jazz

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Gudgeon measurements for sliding rudder
by John Schinnerer 02 Feb '16

02 Feb '16

Hi all, Rick (of many rudders :-) is selling me his original slide-up rudder for my M-17. I currently have the early version balanced one-piece rudder, no sliding, no kick-up, only two gudgeons. So I'll need to install a middle gudgeon, and, see if the spacing on the top and bottom already in place is the same as the OEM three-gudgeon installation. 1) Could someone who has the original sliding rudder M-17 with three gudgeons in factory location measure their spacing and post the measurements? I think starting from bottom of keel at rear of boat and measuring up to the horizontal piece on each gudgeon would be an accurate way to do it. 2) Is the middle gudgeon mounted bracket up, or bracket down (and does it matter functionally or structurally)? 3) I'll need one more gudgeon matching my dimensions. I assume they're same as three-gudgeon models but will measure and post. Does anyone have a spare (used or new) for sale for my third? When I get her in the water again I'll be able to compare the two "original" rudders head to head - first generation and second generation, as it were. thanks, John S. -- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john(a)eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com

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Re: M_Boats: Safety Equip on your boat...
by bownez＠juno.com 02 Feb '16

02 Feb '16

Hello Dave, Well, shiver me timbers....an electric flare is now available, and approved! I wonder if those millennial coast guard pups that boarded me on Superior last summer and ticketed me for outdated flares would have accepted those..... I have multiple packs of old flares, I started throwing them in my truck bed emergency kit. On another note, Where is Todd Mills these days? I had the pleasure of sailing with him in the North Channel of Lake Huron. Mr. Bones ____________________________________________________________ Obama Eliminates Fee For Homeowners Who Switch To A ... HARP Gives Homeowners a Once In A Lifetime Mortgage Bailout A forgotten ... http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/56b0b832a01be38321a9cst02vuc

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Re: M_Boats: Gudgeon measurements for sliding rudder
by bownez＠juno.com 02 Feb '16

02 Feb '16

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Re: M_Boats: Gudgeon measurements for sliding rudder
by GILASAILR＠aol.com 02 Feb '16

02 Feb '16

Bottom side of upper to top side of middle - 14 15/16 inches - bottom of middle to top of lower 15 1/8 inches. Middle is flange down. Sorry -I didn't see your request for measurement order til typed as above. This is from a 1980 model #316 GO In a message dated 2/1/2016 11:34:02 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, john(a)eco-living.net writes: Hi all, Rick (of many rudders :-) is selling me his original slide-up rudder for my M-17. I currently have the early version balanced one-piece rudder, no sliding, no kick-up, only two gudgeons. So I'll need to install a middle gudgeon, and, see if the spacing on the top and bottom already in place is the same as the OEM three-gudgeon installation. 1) Could someone who has the original sliding rudder M-17 with three gudgeons in factory location measure their spacing and post the measurements? I think starting from bottom of keel at rear of boat and measuring up to the horizontal piece on each gudgeon would be an accurate way to do it. 2) Is the middle gudgeon mounted bracket up, or bracket down (and does it matter functionally or structurally)? 3) I'll need one more gudgeon matching my dimensions. I assume they're same as three-gudgeon models but will measure and post. Does anyone have a spare (used or new) for sale for my third? When I get her in the water again I'll be able to compare the two "original" rudders head to head - first generation and second generation, as it were. thanks, John S. -- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john(a)eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com

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Re: M_Boats: Salus and other PFD stuff
by Bruce Ward 01 Feb '16

01 Feb '16

We use Salus coastal PFDs and like the ability to clip in while on our M23. They are approved here in Canada. The sailor in the documentary " twenty eight feet in a little wooden boat " uses the same vest a great watch on the web . However, for our needs which are not 20 miles offshore, we are happy in spirited large mountain lake and north coast BC sailing with them until it gets snotty then comes out the full body gear . falling in the water here invites catastrophy. BTW, they are very comfortable for both men and women! Sent from my iPad

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