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The MSOG Lives On!, Keith, and New M-7'11" Pics
by Doug King 28 Apr '02

28 Apr '02

Well, we didn't quite raise enough to buy the second new 23; we're only a few tens of thousands of dollars short. But as of Saturday the 27th, we hit the mark to keep the web site running for another year. Thank you to everyone who helped out. To avoid another Red Cross situation, you should know that any additional funds received after next Wednesday will go toward helping your faithful web dog quench his voracious thirst while slaving over a hot keyboard. With all of the new owners that have joined us in the past year or two, there may be some misunderstanding on something, so let's give credit where credit is due. Keith Diehl started this listserver long before the web site came online; the MSOG site just links to it. I believe the listserver is the most important resource we have. Almost of the information on the MSOG site was generated as a result of discussion through this listserver. Keith is to be commended for maintaining it for many years. It seems to me that the MSOG menues have been slowing down lately to the point of annoyance. Either that or I'm taking a lot of really short naps. It's not bad via ethernet, but modem-based access seems slow. I may have put in too many menu items, in which case I'll overhaul the navigation system. Please let me know if you've experienced the same slow-down or nap-times. You can e-mail me directly at msog(a)msog.org. Same goes for any other complaints. You won't hurt my feelings or appear ungrateful, honest. Don Haas sent in two great shots of his Montgomery 7'11", leeboard version. Man, what a pretty boat. See it under the new "Meet The M-boats -> The M-dinks", or go to http://msog.org/models/mdinks/mdinks.cfm Want her? She's for sale. If you have pictures, brochures, details, etc. of the 7'11" or the 10 or 12 (I think those are all of the others), please send them in, I'll add them. Finally (yay), forgive the next message. It's late and I got carried away. Thanks, Doug ------------------------------------------ Doug King M-17 #404 "Vixen" Montgomery Sailboats Owners Group Web site: http://msog.org Email: mailto:msog@msog.org

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Re: M_Boats: transducer position
by Harvey Wilson 27 Apr '02

27 Apr '02

Hi Wayne.. Stargazer's former owner had a depth finder finder "puck" epoxied to the hull. Regrettably, the head unit was broken, and I never replaced it. If you want to do it this way, use a hard epoxy, not pliable bedding compound. Harvey/Ga M-17 Stargazer #294

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Tongue Weight
by Harvey Wilson 27 Apr '02

27 Apr '02

Hi Craig... I may have mentioned the addition of the tranny cooler, as that's what I had U-haul do when they installed the trailer hitch. U-Haul had three models, and I selected the middle one. It was a bit of overkill from the specs, but only a little more, and how much is a tranny repair?? No real hills between Ft. Myers and Atlanta, but I also trailered it thru the Tennessee mountains to the eastern part of Lake Cherokee. No problems, as I watched the temperature gauge like a hawk, and it hardly moved above normal...well, maybe a bit higher pulling the steep mountain then on the flat<GG> I think an auto tranny is the way to go, if there's a choice. I upgraded to a 1999 Nissan Pathfinder with a 5000 lb. towing limit. I was told that I wouldn't need a tranny cooler, as the capacity was built in. I haven't towed very much or long distance with the Pathfinder, as I have Stargazer in the water now, so I can't say how it compares to the old Aerostar, but it seems to be at least as good, and the bed of the SUV is a few inches higher, so water won't get in while launching from shallow ramps. I chose the Draw-Tite hitch both times. Regards, Harvey/Ga M-17 Stargazer #294

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towing "Really"
by rc2222＠postoffice.pacbell.net 27 Apr '02

27 Apr '02

Regarding manual vs. automatic on a small truck: How would a small truck with manual transmission perform vs one with an automatic when towing my M15 from the San Francisco Bay area to the Sierra Nevadas, up and down steep grades at elevations over 10,000 feet on hot summer days? Purchasing a small used truck with a manual transmission is significantly less expensive than one with an automatic. Past postings on this list had convinced me to go with an automatic but now I'm beginning to think otherwise. I need some good advice for mountain towing with a small truck. Thanks, Rich Cottrell M15 "Really" Menlo Park

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Tongue Weight
by Harvey Wilson 27 Apr '02

27 Apr '02

I pulled my M-17 with a Ford Aerostar 3L auto. I doubt that boat and trailer weigh more then 2500 lbs, unless it's carrying a lot of entra gear. Mine had an 8hp Evinrude, and it trailered sweet all the way from Ft. Myers, Fla. to Atlanta, Ga Harvey/Ga M-17 Stargazer #294

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new M15 owner
by Charless Fowlkes 26 Apr '02

26 Apr '02

I was lucky to purchase a 1985 M15 with Ivory hull with Green trim last week when I was in California. It is in great shape but I am making "improvements" such as removing the bow pulpit which I did not feel I needed. As soon as the weather warms I will fill the holes; it snowed a little today in Bozeman. In the rudder I noticed a loose pin on the rod connecting the tiller to the rudder blade. To get to the pin I had to dis-assemble the rudder. This took some pounding due to corrosion between the stainless bolts and the aluminum spacers. I plan to refinish the aluminum cheeks as soon as I can find some Zinc Chromate primer in my little town. Think I will put some anti-seizing compound on the bolts when I put it back together, that is if I can remember where all the parts go! I am thinking about cutting out the well in the starboard locker to get access to that space. There were about five loose blocks of Styrofoam in this space, each about the size of a shoe box. Is this extra floatation needed? After some minor rigging changes and painting the trailer and finding some new tires I should be ready to head for the water. We DO have some lakes in Montana but they are frozen part of the year. I have trailed other boats to Puget Sound, Baja, and the Florida Keys. Am not sure what we will do with the M15 but it sure is cute! Thanks to the encouragement of several members of this group. Charless Fowlkes Bozeman, MT

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M17 Performance
by Honshells 26 Apr '02

26 Apr '02

Is the M17 more prone to weather, or lee helm, if either?

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Re: M_Boats: towing "Really"
by Conbert H Benneck 26 Apr '02

26 Apr '02

Hi Rich, FWIW: About 10 years ago when I bought the MICRO in Michigan, I had a 4 cylinder GOLF (100 HP) with a standard transmission. When we got to Michigan, I found that the MICRO was on a trailer (I presume it came from a mobile home) and later calculations proved that the trailer weighed about twice what the MICRO weighed. So, when we hooked up, the poor little Golf was being asked to haul at least 3000 lbs. The Golf did it very well. From Michigan to Florida via I-75, and then back home to Connecticut via I-95. I-75 goes through a considerable mountanous area, and though I had to shift down from 5th to 4th to 3rd and very occasionally to 2nd, the Golf performed flawlessly, and we arrived in Florida, and a month later back in Connecticut without incident. Naturally, once I got back to Connecticut, the first order of business was to find a "proper" trailer that reflected the weight it had to carry. Having found the new trailer, and modifying it for the MICRO, it was a very nice rig to tow with the Golf, and it went back and forth to Florida twice; to Lake Champlain through the Adirondack mountains, with no mechanical problems. Presently I am hauling our M15 with a VW GOLF GTI with automatic transmission, and I'm very happy with the set-up, though this spring I'll add brakes to the trailer. The automatic doesn't brake as well going downhill as did the manual transmission. Connie ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/.

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Re: M_Boats: Towing Redux
by Conbert H Benneck 26 Apr '02

26 Apr '02

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RE: M_Boats: cockpit drain backwash
by Shawn Boles 26 Apr '02

26 Apr '02

Yep - I just had this done. I also had one-way valves installed. Drains exit transom _above_ the water line. I kept the original drain and just put a cork in it. Results are: 1. dry cockpit when sailing. 2. Rapid draining if swamped. 3. Still have a non-grated drain (the original drain with cork removed) available to for washing out the boat and added drain capacity if needed. cheers- Shawn Boles Grey Mist (M17 #276 1978) -----Original Message----- From: Honshells [mailto:chonshell@ia4u.net] Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2002 6:52 PM To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: M_Boats: cockpit drain backwash That's brilliant! Now I have to know if it WOULD work on the 17! ----- Original Message ----- From: <Wcpritchett(a)aol.com> To: <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2002 12:06 PM Subject: cockpit drain backwash I don't know if this will work on the M17 but bigger boats have the cockpit drain hoses crossed over to the opposite side. The boat has to be deep enough to locate them below the max heel angle. This keeps them from backing up when heeled. _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats

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