March 2013 - montgomery_boats - mailman.xmission.com

Re: M_Boats: MSOG photo site
by W David Scobie 23 Mar '13

23 Mar '13

Daniel & Bill: yes the site is a bit of a mess. moving all the references, etc, with a server transition isn't seamless. the site is also old and not up to the current coding framework ... my widescreen laptop and one of my home computers with widescreen resolve the site as almost illegible. i too use firefox and the browser resolved html just a bit different than IE. will take a little time. i will 'roll out' the updates in stages ... right now i'm working on a new-ish homepage and then templates for sub-pages. once everything is up and working i'll then reopen the site to updating boat information and adding boats not listed so it once again grows as a resource. :: Dave Scobie --- On Sat, 3/23/13, Daniel Rich <danielgrich(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Ah, nice to see msogphotosite being > fixed. Right now the colors seem all off on my mac using > firefox. > > Also, one of the M15 boats is labeled Bijou. That is the > boat I currently own. Interestingly, when I bought the boat > from Bob Becker, and asked him the name, he told me the boat > had never been named. There were no markings on the boat > with a name either. So, Dave, if you are updating the site, > I have more photos of #208. And the name now is "Kestrel". > > Daniel > On Mar 23, 2013, at 7:57 AM, Bill Wickett <billwick(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > > > Dave, > > > > Glad to see the msogphotosite is being worked on by > folks in Colorado. It was gone for a while and I feared we > had lost that great resource. Thanks to Sal et al for > stepping in. > > > > Bill Wickett

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Re: M_Boats: posting pictures
by W David Scobie 23 Mar '13

23 Mar '13

posting pictures requires you to do two things - photo must be reduced in size from what most cameras now take 'native' (images by 'average' cameras are around 2-3MB ... if you have a fancy one double or triple this size). photos that i share by email i reduce in size to below 300KB. to do this i just load the photo into Microsoft Paint and reduce the photo to 20% of original size (in the Windows 7 version of paint look in the upper-left corner for the 'resize' selector in the 'image' section). once the image is resized i save the file as '<name> - small' so i don't overwrite the original 'high fidelity' image. based on the above no video will go across the listproc email system as a video will be HUGE. now the second thing - the picture must be _attached_ not inserted into the text of the message. (a detail thing - most email programs really are sending little www-pages, html code, that allow fancy fonts, backgrounds and images in the massage). the listproc only allows sending of text; no 'fancy stuff'. so a message with a in-text picture will be rejected or the image removed. so this means you need to look at your email program and see where you can 'attach' files. use the 'attach' option with a file that meets the size restriction listed above you should be set. a good way to know if you are attaching v. 'in-texting' ... don't 'drag and drop' the image into your email. the other is if you can see the image in the text. an attached file is usually noted up in the 'send to' and 'subject' areas of the email program with just a filename. the other thing is may image programs that allow you to store you camera's files allow you to 'send image'. most cases this will not work because these programs create an email with the photo in the text (ie, using html code) ... which will not work with the listproc. to slightly change topic - above does relate to a discussion had at least three or four years ago: should the listproc be moved to a modern forum? a forum would allow for 'modern' inclusion of photos and videos. the last discussion of going to a forum format was resoundingly rejected. does a forum v. listproc format need to be re-visited? anyhow ... hope this email helps folks understand how to send _small_ pictures. i've attached one to this email as an example. :: Dave Scobie --- On Fri, 3/22/13, mack warner <mackwarner007(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hate to say it but this site is hard > to use. Tried to send pics, videos > etc ....

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Re: M_Boats: Shroud tension
by Rick Davies 23 Mar '13

23 Mar '13

Thanks, Joe. With your and Bones's data I've got a good idea where the numbers should be. Rick M-17 #633 Lynne L Joe Murphy <seagray(a)embarqmail.com> wrote: >Rick, >Sorry for not replying sooner. I had to go down to the boat to get the numbers. >Lower Shroud 10% of breaking strength (210 lbs) 25 on Loos gauge >Upper Shroud 15% of breaking strength ( 315 lbs) 32 on Loos gauge >Hope this helps. >Joe > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Rick Davies > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2013 4:20 PM > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Shroud tension > > > Joe, > > What tension did you put on the upper and lower shrouds? > > Thanks, > > Rick > M-17 #633 > Lynne L > > Joe Murphy <seagray(a)embarqmail.com> wrote: > > >I too had problems "figuring out what's snug and what's tight" so I went with the advice to use the Loos. They're expensive ($75) but now I realize that what I thought was tight was terribly loose. > >Joe > >SeaFrog > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Rick Davies > > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > > Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2013 10:18 AM > > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Shroud tension > > > > > > Dave, > > > > I noticed the email in which you mentioned a youTube video on shroud > > adjustment, but couldn't find it on youTube. If you did upload it, could > > you pass on the link? Since the only advice I've heard on M-17 shroud > > tensioning is "snug, but not tight", I'd like to find some way of figuring > > out what's snug and what's tight. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Rick > > M-17 #633 > > Lynne L > > > > > > On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 7:12 PM, W David Scobie <wdscobie(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > Tom: > > > > > > SWEET PEA's, my M17, lee shrouds (upper and lower) are loose when going to > > > weather ... when blowing a lot less than 25. > > > > > > i have shrouds just loose enough that i can get the mast up and down > > > without adjustment (i just adjust the backstay). > > > > > > the lowers should be a bit looser than the uppers. > > > > > > i have a video that Eldor (aka, 1/2 of the good ship MOTU ITI) helped me > > > make last summer. about 35 seconds showing how 'snug' (Jerry's term) the > > > shrouds are on SWEET PEA. i'll upload the vid to youTube this evening and > > > share the link. > > > > > > > > > :: Dave Scobie > > > :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - www.m17-375.webs.com > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 2/26/13, Tom Jenkins <tjenk(a)gte.net> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Hi gang, > > > > I am usually too busy under such conditions, but I noticed > > > > that the lower lee shrouds on my M17 show a little slack > > > > when I beat to weather at wind speeds over 25 knots. I > > > > am reluctant to start a tightening regime because the > > > > shrouds are just loose enough for me to raise and lower the > > > > mast without loosening and tightening the turnbuckles each > > > > cycle. Should I be concerned with the situation? > > > > Can one expect some permanent stretching of the shrouds with > > > > use? Will the presumed slight bowing of the mast to > > > > leeward be a problem? > > > > > > > > Thanks in advance for your comments. > > > > > > > > Tom Jenkins > > > > M17 Scintilla > > > > > > > > > >

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Re: M_Boats: listproc, forums and groups
by bownez＠juno.com 23 Mar '13

23 Mar '13

ME TOO! (long time reader) Bones Hi Keith, I appreciate your efforts and the way you run the list. sal. ____________________________________________________________ OVERSTOCK ipads: $30.93 Get 32GB Apple iPad for as low as $30.93. Limit 1.Day. Grab yours Now! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/514d15bb814de15bb1e33st03vuc

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Re: M_Boats: listproc, forums and groups
by Sean Mulligan 23 Mar '13

23 Mar '13

Just a quick note about the Montgomeryowners group at yahoo. Yes, I started it but only as a place to make an owner's list. At the time it was created it was discussed that it in no way was ever meant to replace, be in competition with, or splinter this group. Just a database resource. As such, that is the only function that has ever been enabled within that yahoo groups page. It has worked fairly well as a self service database and that's also all I see it being used for in the future. :-) Sean M23 Dauntless, M17fd Sneakers (someday... LOL) Sent from my iPad

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Re: M_Boats: American Classics 'M15' shrouds
by W David Scobie 23 Mar '13

23 Mar '13

a quick note as i'm about to head out after i clean up my workplace in the shop. until you get the rig up on the American Classics 'M15' i'd not worry immediately about the exact setup. what is needed are written and photo details. a few to consider - the pictures i've see it looks as if the tabernacle is in the correct place ... but not sure. this is an immediate tell if the center of effort is in the correct place. how tall is the mast? is the rig a 3/4? masthead? other? (see my prior email that had the link to a PDF file that outlines Jerry's specs.) how long is the boom? the person that i spoke with commented that the boat was sailed ... so the assumption is 'works' as it is. question will be does it work 'right'? turnbuckles are fine ... just overkill for the M15. the shrouds and forestay for the M15 should be snug, but _not_ tight. (this is why turnbuckles are not needed and overkill.) the rig should not be so tight that to put in the forestay pin you need to loosen the shrouds. (again, this is for Jerry's rig ... as noted above the American Classic may be different based on the rig). you almost don't need an adjuster on the forestay as if the wires are the correct length (again, see the PDF i linked before), all being the same length, you can adjust the rig with the shrouds enough for now. look forward to reading updates George. :: Dave Scobie --- On Fri, 3/22/13, George R. Iemmolo <griemmolo2(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Dave > > Thaks for the information. The shrouds have turnbuckles and > only the > forestay has no adjustment. It will have to be shortened it > use either the > recommended stay adjuster or a turnbuckle > > George > > -----Original Message----- > From: montgomery_boats-bounces(a)mailman.xmission.com > [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] > On Behalf Of W David > Scobie > Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 5:59 PM > > if this is the same boat as i saw photos of and discussed > last year the > shroud chainplates are on the cabin sides ... yes like on an > M17. no idea > what the standing rig looks like as the boat was photoed > without the rig. > > here is a link to the specs for the standing rig of an '85 > M15 - > > http://msogphotosite.com/MSOG/b15measure/b15measure1.gif > > > Jerry says to use Garhauer stay adjusters, model SA-1, (at > the chainplates > for the shrouds and for the forestay at the bowplate) on the > M15 - > > http://garhauermarine.com/catalog_process.cfm?cid=71 > > > :: Dave Scobie

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bimini
by mack warner 23 Mar '13

23 Mar '13

Hate to say it but this site is hard to use. Tried to send pics, videos etc too big etc etc Here's my letter. If you want to see the pics sign up and go to https://www.facebook.com/groups/330782353662726/ Ok let me try this. First of all, if you get a face book account, you will see a lot of the same people here on it plus pictures and stories on the other side. The cost isn't too bad. I have a hard time reading this format because it just goes on and on. But then I am still on it. Enough rant. First, The Bimini was made by John Bartlett from Austin, Tx on Lake Travis. http://www.bartlettsails.com/html/loft.php He does excellent work. Besides a regular boat he also sails a Moth, a skateboard with a big f... sail on it. The sunbrella is heavy duty, uv thread and uv meshing. The meshing is great. Does not leak like an open hole, only when it is really raining. You will get wetting from the side. He bends his own railing etc. In other words, all made it house. If you race, you would not do this, but I did it on my Ranger. I raised the boom up 15 inches to have more head room and easier to get out of the bimini. John cut my sail down at the foot to fit the new boom height. He made a loose foot main. Which I do like now. I have the same on my Beneteau. Easy to raise the boom. Fill the old holes with pop rivets and tap new treads for ss bolts. If you are going to spend the money for a bimini, make it as large as you can. My traveler is in front of the cabin entrance and is the full length of the inside beam. You already have to step over the main sheet traveler to get around the floor, might as well have a better one and still have to walk over it. Plus when not in use, it is off to the side and you don't have to walk around it. Hope the pic shows this. If you need better pics just let me know and I will email better pics. If I find them. The bimini: First the bimini is connected to the toe rail, so the lines are out of the way. The bimini rails are heavy duty and look great. I would not have a bimini without mesh. I can look up and see the sail, spar fly like the bimini was not there, yet I still have shade etc. John came out to the boat, measured, made it, put it up in a heart beat. By the way, there is a M17 on Lake Travis that he could use for the measurements. But then you are in Texas so you could bring your boat up. Where in Texas? The Ranger had the traveler forward, so you can see what it looks like. I can not find the pics that I put on Facebook. Sign up and you can see them. I will continue to look for them and post them if I find them.

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Re: M_Boats: shrouds ? New M15s
by W David Scobie 22 Mar '13

22 Mar '13

if this is the same boat as i saw photos of and discussed last year the shroud chainplates are on the cabin sides ... yes like on an M17. no idea what the standing rig looks like as the boat was photoed without the rig. here is a link to the specs for the standing rig of an '85 M15 - http://msogphotosite.com/MSOG/b15measure/b15measure1.gif Jerry says to use Garhauer stay adjusters, model SA-1, (at the chainplates for the shrouds and for the forestay at the bowplate) on the M15 - http://garhauermarine.com/catalog_process.cfm?cid=71 :: Dave Scobie --- On Fri, 3/22/13, stevetrapp <stevetrapp(a)q.com> wrote: > George, > None of the shrouds on my 1985 M-15 have had > turnbuckles since I bought it new, but I can adjust the > tension by moving the pin to another hole on the > fastener. Will that work on yours? I am thinking > about putting a turnbuckle on my forestay shroud just to > make life a little easier on the bow. Any comments? > Steve > M-15 # 335 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "George R. Iemmolo" <griemmolo2(a)gmail.com> > Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 3:11 PM > > > >I have just taken possession of what is titled as a "96" > AM CLASSIC but > > looks like a Montgomery 15 (it was listed on the MSOG > for sale site) it has > > the name American Classic on it. As this is after Jerry > sold the company in > > 1995 this must be from a company he sold the molds to. > > > > > > > > > I was wondering if all the specs and information on the > MSOG site are valid > > for the boat I have. I could not find a company under > that name, I know that > > in the boat business they come and go. I understand > Montgomery Boats @ Dana > > Point is building them now. > > > > > > > > Any help would be appreciated as I get ready to rig her > as soon as the snow > > melts. It appears that the forestay on this boat does > not have a turnbuckle > > and I am concerned that I will not be able to adjust > the rake on the mast. > > > > > > > > George > > > > M15 NoNameYet

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New M15s
by George R. Iemmolo 22 Mar '13

22 Mar '13

I have just taken possession of what is titled as a "96" AM CLASSIC but looks like a Montgomery 15 (it was listed on the MSOG for sale site) it has the name American Classic on it. As this is after Jerry sold the company in 1995 this must be from a company he sold the molds to. I was wondering if all the specs and information on the MSOG site are valid for the boat I have. I could not find a company under that name, I know that in the boat business they come and go. I understand Montgomery Boats @ Dana Point is building them now. Any help would be appreciated as I get ready to rig her as soon as the snow melts. It appears that the forestay on this boat does not have a turnbuckle and I am concerned that I will not be able to adjust the rake on the mast. George M15 NoNameYet

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Re: M_Boats: listproc, forums and groups
by GILASAILR＠aol.com 22 Mar '13

22 Mar '13

You deserve the kudos - Thanks for the initiative, support and work you have supplied over the years! We really do appreciate it - GO In a message dated 3/22/2013 2:32:06 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, kdiehl(a)xmission.com writes: Thanks. I really wasn't fishing for compliments, but I'll take them. Keith Diehl Cottonwood Heights, UT On 3/22/2013 3:26 PM, SALGLESSER(a)aol.com wrote: > Hi Keith, > > I appreciate your efforts and the way you run the list. > > sal. > > > In a message dated 3/22/2013 3:20:52 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, > chris.r.smith(a)gmail.com writes: > > Thanks for setting up this list, Keith! I appreciate your choice of a > provider not interested in capitalizing on our information. > > I do, indeed, trust the wisdom of the group. > > On Friday, March 22, 2013, Keith Diehl wrote: > >> Just for clarification, although there is no doubt that msog is a fine >> thing, this list is independent of it and predates it by many years. I >> started the mailing list, gosh, thinking about how long ago it was > frighted >> me! >> >> Yes, the mailing list format is old and foreign to some, but it's fast, >> lightweight, and nimble. I much prefer it to using a web forum on my cell >> phone. (remember that all list mail has a subject starting with M_Boats:, >> so you can create a rule in your mail program to dump it into its oun >> folder and read it at your pleasure) >> >> Further, xmission, who hosts the mailman system, lays no claims to you or >> your information. Read those forum terms and conditions some time >> >> At any rate, it is what it is and has been for more than a decade now. If >> a new generation of sailers prefers a different format, they are > certainly >> free to follow their desires with no hard feelings from me. >> >> Keith Diehl >> Cottonwood Heights, UT >> >> On 3/22/2013 2:08 PM, W David Scobie wrote: >> >>> there are four prominent Mboat www-things - >>> >>> for current communication the #1, IMO, is this listproc (part of >>> www.msog.org) >>> >>> the #2 is the trailersailor.com Montgomery sub-forum >>> >>> for older 'historic' pictures and 'how to' things about the boats the > #1 >>> is www.msog.org. >>> >>> #2 is www.msogphotosite.com >>> >>> >>> :: Dave Scobie >>> >>> --- On Fri, 3/22/13, Gail Russell <gail(a)zeliga.com> wrote: >>> >>> >>>> I just realized that this group is >>>> not a yahoo group. I do not mind the yahoo group setup >>>> because I can still choose to have individual (or grouped) >>>> e-mails delivered to my inbox. That would be fine with >>>> me, as it does the same thing that this group does. >>>> And you can set them so you can attach photos if you want >>>> to...or set it so photos cannot be attached to the e-mail >>>> itself, but can be downloaded to a file folder on the >>>> internet. >>>> >>>> You can also read the e-mails solely online. >>>> >>>> Gail >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: montgomery_boats-bounces(a)mailman.xmission.com >>>> [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] >>>> On Behalf Of W David Scobie >>>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 12:30 PM >>>> >>> >>> >>>> there is a google group for montgomery owners. Sean >>>> Mulligan created it back in 2008. the group is, to my >>>> understanding, 'activated' only to have an owners directory >>>> and some mboat related www-links. >>>> >>>> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/**Montyowners/<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Montyowners/> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> > > -- > Chris > >

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