March 2013 - montgomery_boats - mailman.xmission.com

Re: M_Boats: Lifting the M-15
by W David Scobie 27 Mar '13

27 Mar '13

lifting an M15 example using a method related to Jerry's comments on how strong the chainplates and stern cleats are. in this case the 'lifter' is a forklift - http://msogphotosite.com/MSOG/b15cbrep/b15cbrep1.jpg the description of the above here - http://msogphotosite.com/M15CBRepl.html (you can click the spaces where the images are suppose to be ... still working on updating the site). here is another way - http://msogphotosite.com/m15garage.html (you can click the spaces where the images are suppose to be ... still working on updating the site). and another - http://msogphotosite.com/15breezecb.html (you can click the spaces where the images are suppose to be ... still working on updating the site). if 'smiley' sees these posts he can comment on the lifting bridle he and a boatyard created. i've seen pictures and it is a VERY nice setup. :: Dave Scobie --- On Tue, 3/26/13, Robert Hall <bert.hall(a)rogers.com> wrote: > > Hello All, Somewhere in the > literature on the net I have seen illustrated instructions > on how to raise a Monty 15 off its trailer and remove the > trailer while lowering the boat onto supports so work can be > done on the bottom/keel. To date my search has failed to > locate any information of use.Do any of my fellow M-15 > owners have any advice? Thanks. RTH. >

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Towing with the extension out
by Ronald McNeil 27 Mar '13

27 Mar '13

I am considering to just tow my M17 with the extension out on the trailer. The extension on my Pacific trail is not all that long, while extended there is about 4-5 feet of overlap with two pins holding it. I tow it about 15 miles back and forth to the lake, no highway but speeds up to 55mph. I know there are ways to set it up to easily extended it without taking it off the hitch but I have not gotten around to that yet. Does anyone think this would be unsafe or not recommended for some reason? Thanks, Ron McNeil Jackpot

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Re: M_Boats: Towing with the extension out
by W David Scobie 26 Mar '13

26 Mar '13

yes what Gary says. a long trailer will pull nice (and easier to back up) than a short trailer. if a trailer is 'wagging' my first guess there is a weight distribution issue and the tongue weight is to light. another issue that can come up is if the tow vehicle is light ... like the weight of the trailer/boat is more the 1/2 the car/truck. the boat/trailer can begin to 'wag the dog'. if the tow vehicle as a very short wheelbase you can sometimes get more 'wagging' ... such as using Jeep Wrangler (one of the 'standard' models, not the 4-door). it can also be a challenge to back a trailer with a vehicle with a very short wheelbase. in addition to the above be sure you have read up on and are following your vehicle's GVW, GVWR, RGAW, RGAWR, GCWR, etc., etc. towing restrictions. my experience is the Pacific's pull great ... right behind with no issues. November of 2011 coming back from San Francisco on I-80 the wind was blowing so hard the interstate was slowed down to 35MPH from Green River, WY, to Laramie, WY. boat/trailer followed with no problem. once i turned south on I-25 the highway speed went back up; but the wind was still BLOWING 50MPH+. the trailer and boat had no bad behaviors ... the truck with the camper rocked some (not the trailer/boat rocking the truck). :: Dave Scobie --- On Tue, 3/26/13, GARY M HYDE <gmhyde1(a)mac.com> wrote: > > Actually the sway is less with the > long tongue because the car has better leverage on the > trailer. > > ~~~_/)~~~ Gary > Sent from my iPhone :-) > > On Mar 26, 2013, at 4:11 AM, "George R. Iemmolo" <griemmolo2(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > > > My concern would be that the pivot point (ball hitch) > is an increased > > distance from the weight (boat) any sway would be > greater than normal ("Give > > me a lever long enough and I can move the earth") and > could cause the auto > > to be affected. > > > > George > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Ronald McNeil > > Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 8:25 PM > > > > I am considering to just tow my M17 with the extension > out on the trailer. > > The extension on my Pacific trail is not all that long, > while extended there > > is about 4-5 feet of overlap with two pins holding it. > > > > > I tow it about 15 miles back and forth to the lake, no > highway but speeds up > > to 55mph. > > I know there are ways to set it up to easily extended > it without taking it > > off the hitch but I have not gotten around to that yet. > > > > > Does anyone think this would be unsafe or not > recommended for some reason? > > > > > > Thanks, > > Ron McNeil > > Jackpot > > > > > >

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Lifting the M-15
by Robert Hall 26 Mar '13

26 Mar '13

Hello All, Somewhere in the literature on the net I have seen illustrated instructions on how to raise a Monty 15 off its trailer and remove the trailer while lowering the boat onto supports so work can be done on the bottom/keel. To date my search has failed to locate any information of use.Do any of my fellow M-15 owners have any advice? Thanks. RTH.

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Re: M_Boats: Mainsail cover
by Rick Davies 26 Mar '13

26 Mar '13

Thanks, all, for the advice on covers. I admire those who make their own, but I'm afraid my talent doesn't stretch that far. I'm going with the SailboatOwners.com model, thus cleverly avoiding all responsibility if it doesn't fit :-) I'll let you know how it works out. Rick M-17 #633 Lynne L "eisenee(a)aol.com" <eisenee(a)aol.com> wrote: > >Rick >We bought the Sailrite kit and it was easy to cut and sew. Don't remember the cost but was reasonable. Was easy for me, Dorothy did everything but the twistlockes witch close the bottom edges. > >Eldor >M17 Motu iti > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Rick Davies <jdavies104(a)gmail.com> >To: M BoatsForum <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> >Sent: Tue, Mar 12, 2013 6:30 am >Subject: M_Boats: Mainsail cover > > >Spring is here (almost), and I'm thinking about a mainsail cover for Lynne >L. Does anyone have any experience with the pre-patterned cover made and >sold by sailboatowners.com? Do they fit well, what's the workmanship like, >etc. Any help would be appreciated. > >Thanks, > >Rick >M-17 #633 > >

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Re: M_Boats: listproc, forums and groups
by SALGLESSER＠aol.com 25 Mar '13

25 Mar '13

Hi Keith, I appreciate your efforts and the way you run the list. sal. In a message dated 3/22/2013 3:20:52 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, chris.r.smith(a)gmail.com writes: Thanks for setting up this list, Keith! I appreciate your choice of a provider not interested in capitalizing on our information. I do, indeed, trust the wisdom of the group. On Friday, March 22, 2013, Keith Diehl wrote: > Just for clarification, although there is no doubt that msog is a fine > thing, this list is independent of it and predates it by many years. I > started the mailing list, gosh, thinking about how long ago it was frighted > me! > > Yes, the mailing list format is old and foreign to some, but it's fast, > lightweight, and nimble. I much prefer it to using a web forum on my cell > phone. (remember that all list mail has a subject starting with M_Boats:, > so you can create a rule in your mail program to dump it into its oun > folder and read it at your pleasure) > > Further, xmission, who hosts the mailman system, lays no claims to you or > your information. Read those forum terms and conditions some time > > At any rate, it is what it is and has been for more than a decade now. If > a new generation of sailers prefers a different format, they are certainly > free to follow their desires with no hard feelings from me. > > Keith Diehl > Cottonwood Heights, UT > > On 3/22/2013 2:08 PM, W David Scobie wrote: > >> there are four prominent Mboat www-things - >> >> for current communication the #1, IMO, is this listproc (part of >> www.msog.org) >> >> the #2 is the trailersailor.com Montgomery sub-forum >> >> for older 'historic' pictures and 'how to' things about the boats the #1 >> is www.msog.org. >> >> #2 is www.msogphotosite.com >> >> >> :: Dave Scobie >> >> --- On Fri, 3/22/13, Gail Russell <gail(a)zeliga.com> wrote: >> >> >>> I just realized that this group is >>> not a yahoo group. I do not mind the yahoo group setup >>> because I can still choose to have individual (or grouped) >>> e-mails delivered to my inbox. That would be fine with >>> me, as it does the same thing that this group does. >>> And you can set them so you can attach photos if you want >>> to...or set it so photos cannot be attached to the e-mail >>> itself, but can be downloaded to a file folder on the >>> internet. >>> >>> You can also read the e-mails solely online. >>> >>> Gail >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: montgomery_boats-bounces(a)mailman.xmission.com >>> [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] >>> On Behalf Of W David Scobie >>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 12:30 PM >>> >> >> >>> there is a google group for montgomery owners. Sean >>> Mulligan created it back in 2008. the group is, to my >>> understanding, 'activated' only to have an owners directory >>> and some mboat related www-links. >>> >>> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/**Montyowners/<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Montyowners/> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> > -- Chris

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Re: M_Boats: listproc, forums and groups
by bownez＠juno.com 25 Mar '13

25 Mar '13

I seem to recall Terry sold his M17, bought a Southern Cross 31, and moved to Florida. Bones ____________________________________________________________ TransUnion&#174 Official Site Free and Fast Credit Score. Total Protection From All 3 Bureaus http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/515046025756a46023484st02vuc

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San Francisco sailor looking to take a ride on an M-15 or M-17
by Thom Loftus 25 Mar '13

25 Mar '13

Hi Everyone. I'm a San Francisco Sailor and a friend and I are interested in purchasing an M-15 or M-17. Before we do, we thought we'd see if it might be possible to take a ride on one of these boats and get to know it a bit. I've reached out to the Bay Area WWPotter list as well in case anyone there has a tip. We'd be happy to pay for an afternoon sail if that makes a difference. If you, or anyone you know might be willing/able to spend a couple of hours with a couple of nice gentlemen and show them your boat and talk shop, we'd be very much obliged. Thanks, Thom Loftus

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M15 Bridle
by George R. Iemmolo 23 Mar '13

23 Mar '13

In getting ready to rig my new/old M15 I noticed that the bridle is considerable shorter than those I see on various pictures of M15's. Is there a specified length or is it @ the discretion of the Skipper? I was looking at the Montgomery Owners Newsletter of 1998 Fall Issue an article by Mike Truemen M15 of San Ramon, CA George NoNameYet #602

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Re: M_Boats: MSOGphotosite
by SALGLESSER＠aol.com 23 Mar '13

23 Mar '13

Hi Bill, Thanx for noticing. Dave has been steadily working on reviving the site. He's also working on making it as user friendly as possible. (eg: The colors are not working for me as well). If we can make it comfortable, then can get as many as possible involved. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Dave, Jerry, Gail and I felt that it was a good resource worth the effort and attention to keep around. Beautiful boats sal '86 M15 "Justus" In a message dated 3/23/2013 8:59:03 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time, billwick(a)gmail.com writes: Dave, Glad to see the msogphotosite is being worked on by folks in Colorado. It was gone for a while and I feared we had lost that great resource. Thanks to Sal et al for stepping in. Bill Wickett On 2013-03-22, at 4:08 PM, W David Scobie <wdscobie(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > there are four prominent Mboat www-things - > > for current communication the #1, IMO, is this listproc (part of www.msog.org) > > the #2 is the trailersailor.com Montgomery sub-forum > > for older 'historic' pictures and 'how to' things about the boats the #1 is www.msog.org. > > #2 is www.msogphotosite.com > > > :: Dave Scobie > > --- On Fri, 3/22/13, Gail Russell <gail(a)zeliga.com> wrote: > >> >> I just realized that this group is >> not a yahoo group. I do not mind the yahoo group setup >> because I can still choose to have individual (or grouped) >> e-mails delivered to my inbox. That would be fine with >> me, as it does the same thing that this group does. >> And you can set them so you can attach photos if you want >> to...or set it so photos cannot be attached to the e-mail >> itself, but can be downloaded to a file folder on the >> internet. >> >> You can also read the e-mails solely online. >> >> Gail >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: montgomery_boats-bounces(a)mailman.xmission.com >> [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] >> On Behalf Of W David Scobie >> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 12:30 PM > >> >> there is a google group for montgomery owners. Sean >> Mulligan created it back in 2008. the group is, to my >> understanding, 'activated' only to have an owners directory >> and some mboat related www-links. >> >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Montyowners/ >> >> >> >

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