March 2013 - montgomery_boats - mailman.xmission.com

Little Breeze M15
by Michael Mann 18 Nov '15

18 Nov '15

Hi, My name is Michael Mann and in 1982, I sailed the Montgomery 15, Little Breeze from CA to Hawaii. I see on the web site that she has been rescued by new owners in Hawaii and I would love to correspond with them. I am currently sailing on a container ship headed for Honolulu and would welcome the chance to make contact. Thanks for any info. Michael Mann

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replacement windows
by Bonnie Kostka 15 Aug '13

15 Aug '13

A while back someone mentioned where to buy replacement widows, Did anyone buy them & where did they buy them? Bonnie M15

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Montgomery Sailboats are in high demand
by Bob Eeg 15 Jul '13

15 Jul '13

And are built with top-notch quality. There is nothing in the market place faster, better built and as good looking as a Montgomery Sailboat. I don't run a factory; I run a very small boatshop. I built to order on a boat by boat basis. I do a lot of custom work when asked. Bronze ports, Stainless ports, extra ballast, Custom electrical systems, Idasailor rudders, anchoring packages..etc. This work is labor intensive. Quality takes time. I have 3 employees. These people are highly experienced in Laminating, construction, assembly and finish. Woodworking and other skills result in a absolutely beautiful sailing vessel. I use the best sails the best rigging, the best custom stainless fasteners..and yes....(laughing) the best cushions. This last 15 months have been EXTREMELY busy; hiring new help was impossible because all the good people are gone. We had a tremendous BACKLOG and we caught a break only when Pacific Seacraft employees (let go) began filtering into our shop looking for work. We did add some additional crew in the Laminating Shop and because of that we are caught up. Pacific Seacrafts Bankruptcy was good for us. Bad for the dozens of good people who are out of work. The FIRST question of anyone buying a new boat should be 'How is the construction quality'? First and foremost that is the most important issue. I can say that everyone has experienced and will continue to experience a BACKLOG of orders; especially if the boat is as popular as a Montgomery Sailboat. When we had an 8 month backlog and I actually turned down 2 M_17 orders so we could catch our breath. It is impossible to work any harder or any faster. Now that were caught up we can get back to our normal 50-70 days (depending on model and options). Also custom work really adds to the production time. One beautiful M_17 we did we cut the V berth out of and installed an oval bulkhead, custom shelves and inline potti area; with 4 bronze ports she is an amazing boat, but custom work takes time. Expect delays if you go radical on the interior. (I think BONES has a photo of that one...) We are really one of the only builders that entertain changes and options to satisfy the customer. This new Passagemaker M_17 were building (and installing a windvane on tomorrow) is going to be amazing. Other actual boat factories that produce boats for DEALERS (that Tod mentioned) like Precision and Compac are built on Factory Production lines for a large Dealership Network. Dealers who have these boats in stock can supply them right away. But ask for major changes on a future production boat and the wait will be many months. International Marine builds boats faster with more employees but those boats are piss poor sailers (upwind) and many arrive with a list of problems that are pathetic. That's not me. So try not to focus on the TIME factor. We can only go so fast. Hiring additional help is not an option because by the time you train someone the season gets slow and you have to lay them off. I can't do that. I have people that have been with me for 20 years; I keep us small and efficient on purpose. So be surprised if we hit the delivery time; which we do quite often. Be a little disappointed when we miss it; but get over it when you see your boat. Dozens of you know me; you've arrived to see me rig your boat, pack you up and shake your hand. (Heck...Gary Hyde even brought me a bottle of wine..!..Thanks Gary.!) One man bought a new M_15 from us and a new M_17 a year later.! The C word...Cushions. I inspect everyboat before it leaves for home. Scott's boat was leaving for the Bay Area early Friday morning; I was at the boatshop at 10:30 PM Thursday night, sleeping at the picnic table just inside the door, waiting for the cushion guy to arrive with the (late) promised cushions. He drove up, woke me up and I watched as he stacked them on the deck. We left. My man arrived at 3AM and hooked up the boat and slid the cushions inside the boat. I should have loaded them myself then I would have noticed they looked good but didn't have the required 'Squeeze' factor. Let's move on, shall we....? Fair winds Bob Eeg (949) 489-8227 Boat Builder

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Re: M_Boats: Hi
by SALGLESSER＠aol.com 07 Jul '13

07 Jul '13

Hi Gordon, Louis, In my "day job" we began to export in 1979. We began to import in 1981. With more than 30 years of experience in this area and more than 1,000,000 miles traveling to distant lands, I believe my understanding is somewhat broad with regards to the question. There is truth to what Gordon says, and there is also truth to what Louis says. The question is quite complex, certainly more than can be discussed on this board (although I am willing to share info and experience if anyone is interested). The valuation of currency is critical to understanding. Long term, it is important to balance import and export as it is important to help support US companies. At Sage Marine, we are offering sails from both Harry Pattison and Judy B., whom have demonstrated quality and commitment. (We will also work with any sail-maker of your choice). Please pardon the shameless plug. Hi Bones, Quality is more a demonstration of longevity than performance, and longevity is difficult to determine in the short term. sal In a message dated 8/24/2011 8:54:54 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, gordon(a)financialwriting.net writes: Apology accepted, Louis. You're right in that 2/3rds of the U.S. gross domestic product is driven by the consumer sector -- the goods and services purchased by all of us (excluding businesses and the government). That's important for our nation's well being, and especially for small businesses. All competitors in the global economy -- including many "mom-and-pop outfits" in the United States -- work hard to sell to foreign buyers. At the same time, many savvy consumers seek out the world's best products and services for the lowest price -- which makes sense. In a way, this potentially threatening "global economy" can benefit us all -- as consumers and businesses. I don't think boat sails or any other products are necessarily inferior -- or "low-ball," as you said -- just because they are made abroad. What's more, my recommending a Chinese sailmaker to someone doesn't mean I'm against buying "American." In fact, feel free to call Harry Pattison at Elliott-Pattison Sailmakers, a top-notch sailmaker in the United State of California who knows Montgomery boats well, and ask him how many sails Gordon Gilbert has purchased from him. You might be surprised at what an "equal opportunity" buyer I am. I'm just a hard-working guy who, like anyone else, wants to get the most for his money. Enjoy the rest of your sailing season! Gordon Still a Proud U.S. Air Force Veteran P.S. Frankly, I don't think being disrespectful or discourteous to someone in an e-mail -- especially someone you don't know -- is a good way to GET THEIR ATTENTION. On Aug 24, 2011, at 5:28 PM, Louis Remmers wrote: > Gordon: I do apologize if my e mail seemed disrespectful, but I DID get your attention. Although we all know the current economic situation is global, very few of us have any influence in foreign economics. We do however have a huge impact in the economy of the USA. If we all purchase in country it WILL make a difference. I would like to recommend Douglas Fowler sail maker from New York. Chris Rooke in Memphis is also able to make excellent sails at a very good price. If you look around you will find MANY mom and pop outfits that we need to help us all float our boats so to speak. Once again accept my apologies for rocking your boat. Louis Remmers. > > --- On Tue, 8/23/11, Andrei Caldararu <andreic(a)math.wisc.edu> wrote: > > > From: Andrei Caldararu <andreic(a)math.wisc.edu> > Subject: M_Boats: Hi > To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Date: Tuesday, August 23, 2011, 12:34 PM > > > Dear Gordon, > > First, I hope your health is at least as good as it can be under the circumstances. How are you feeling? Have you been able to do some sailing in MN? > > I wanted to ask you a quick question. I remembered that at some point you mentioned an outfit in China which sold you sails for the Monty 17 at a very good price. Were you happy with the quality? What was the name/web address of the place? I am thinking of getting a new mainsail, and perhaps a new sail for a new boat I got (a Windrider 16, single person trimaran). > > Best wishes of health and hope, and I hope to hear from you soon. > > Andrei. > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > When posting, remember that there is no privacy on the Internet! > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > When posting, remember that there is no privacy on the Internet! _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats When posting, remember that there is no privacy on the Internet!

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Re: M_Boats: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 121, Issue 15
by Tim Erwin 01 Apr '13

01 Apr '13

I have a Monty 15, a 2007, hull # 641. It was built by NorSea boat builders. My beautiful boat doesn't have any added flotation at all under the vbirth , just a huge storage space under the vbirth. Also, there is no added flotation under the cockpit floor. There is no added positive flotation material at all. I talked to Mr. Eng, owner of the company. He said that the extra floatation isn't necessary because the boat can't be knocked over. He suggested that I put an inner tube under the cockpit floor if it bothered me. He did say that all of the forward individual lockers are floatation. My opinion is that if you put the weather boards in place and close the hatch, water isn't going into the cabin. I can only imagine how bad the cabin would smell with a new inner tube in it. I don't think tire stores smell that great. If it gets windy and rough, be sure to put the boards in and close the hatch, no problem. Tim Erwin, " Dark Star " # 641 Sent from my iPad On Mar 29, 2013, at 11:05 AM, montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com wrote: > Send montgomery_boats mailing list submissions to > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > montgomery_boats-owner(a)mailman.xmission.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of montgomery_boats digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Towing with the extension out (GARY M HYDE) > 2. Re: Lifting the M-15 (John Tyner) > 3. Re: Towing with the extension out (stevetrapp) > 4. Re: Towing with the extension out (GARY M HYDE) > 5. Re: Towing with the extension out (Tom Smith) > 6. Re: Lifting the M-15 (Robert Hall) > 7. Iron centreboard on M17 (Bill Wickett) > 8. Re: Iron centreboard on M17 (jerry montgomery) > 9. Re: Iron centreboard on M17 (W David Scobie) > 10. Re: Iron centreboard on M17 (Bill Wickett) > 11. Re: Iron centreboard on M17 (Bill Wickett) > 12. Re: Iron centreboard on M17 (R.K. Graves) > 13. Flotation (George R. Iemmolo) > 14. Re: Flotation (Tom Smith) > 15. Re: Flotation (Conbert Benneck) > 16. Re: Flotation (W David Scobie) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2013 13:54:06 -1000 > From: GARY M HYDE <gmhyde1(a)mac.com> > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Towing with the extension out > Message-ID: <16941021-5DD7-4467-9876-2416C5BAA172(a)mac.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Steve/ > To answer your other Q, I store indoors in winter. > > ~~~_/)~~~ Gary > Sent from my iPhone :-) > > On Mar 26, 2013, at 12:06 PM, stevetrapp <stevetrapp(a)q.com> wrote: > >> Gary, >> I am sure that you know this from experience of driving on the winding country roads that surround your sailing area on Lake Couer D' Alene. Do you tow you M-boat home or into town for winter, or store it there at the boat yard? >> Steve >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "GARY M HYDE" <gmhyde1(a)mac.com> >> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> >> Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2013 2:33 PM >> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Towing with the extension out >> >> >> Actually the sway is less with the long tongue because the car has better leverage on the trailer. >> >> ~~~_/)~~~ Gary >> Sent from my iPhone :-) >> >> On Mar 26, 2013, at 4:11 AM, "George R. Iemmolo" <griemmolo2(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> My concern would be that the pivot point (ball hitch) is an increased >>> distance from the weight (boat) any sway would be greater than normal ("Give >>> me a lever long enough and I can move the earth") and could cause the auto >>> to be affected. >>> >>> George >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: montgomery_boats-bounces(a)mailman.xmission.com >>> [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Ronald >>> McNeil >>> Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 8:25 PM >>> To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com >>> Subject: M_Boats: Towing with the extension out >>> >>> I am considering to just tow my M17 with the extension out on the trailer. >>> The extension on my Pacific trail is not all that long, while extended there >>> is about 4-5 feet of overlap with two pins holding it. >>> >>> I tow it about 15 miles back and forth to the lake, no highway but speeds up >>> to 55mph. >>> I know there are ways to set it up to easily extended it without taking it >>> off the hitch but I have not gotten around to that yet. >>> >>> Does anyone think this would be unsafe or not recommended for some reason? >>> >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Ron McNeil >>> Jackpot >> >> >> >> ----- >> No virus found in this message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 2013.0.2904 / Virus Database: 2641/6205 - Release Date: 03/26/13 > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2013 20:11:50 -0400 > From: John Tyner <tynerjr(a)md.metrocast.net> > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Lifting the M-15 > Message-ID: <51523946.6010106(a)md.metrocast.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Hey! That's my boat! (Now, anyway, I bought it from John Harris (of > Chesapeake Light Craft) in 2003.) > ---- > John Tyner > M-15 #412 "Chimpanzee" > > On 3/26/2013 6:22 PM, W David Scobie wrote: >> lifting an M15 example using a method related to Jerry's comments on how strong the chainplates and stern cleats are. in this case the 'lifter' is a forklift - >> >> http://msogphotosite.com/MSOG/b15cbrep/b15cbrep1.jpg >> >> the description of the above here - >> >> http://msogphotosite.com/M15CBRepl.html >> >> (you can click the spaces where the images are suppose to be ... still working on updating the site). >> >> >> here is another way - >> >> http://msogphotosite.com/m15garage.html >> >> (you can click the spaces where the images are suppose to be ... still working on updating the site). >> >> >> and another - >> >> http://msogphotosite.com/15breezecb.html >> >> (you can click the spaces where the images are suppose to be ... still working on updating the site). >> >> >> if 'smiley' sees these posts he can comment on the lifting bridle he and a boatyard created. i've seen pictures and it is a VERY nice setup. >> >> >> :: Dave Scobie >> >> --- On Tue, 3/26/13, Robert Hall <bert.hall(a)rogers.com> wrote: >> >>> >>> Hello All, Somewhere in the >>> literature on the net I have seen illustrated instructions >>> on how to raise a Monty 15 off its trailer and remove the >>> trailer while lowering the boat onto supports so work can be >>> done on the bottom/keel. To date my search has failed to >>> locate any information of use.Do any of my fellow M-15 >>> owners have any advice? Thanks. RTH. > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2013 17:20:28 -0700 > From: "stevetrapp" <stevetrapp(a)q.com> > To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Towing with the extension out > Message-ID: <5C1E20B4FC8C4BDFB48E03316CCFA7CE@STEVEEW> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Gary, > Amazing. Particularly towing it with your Subaru Forester. I have a 2001 Subaru Forester that groans to get my M-15 up the hill from Conkling Park. > Steve > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "GARY M HYDE" <gmhyde1(a)mac.com> > To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2013 4:52 PM > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Towing with the extension out > > > Steve : > I've towed the M17 about 10,000 miles including from California, to & from Lake Havasu, 5 times from Pullman to Western WA and back, and many shorter trips, all with a 2004 Subaru Forester Turbo, rated at 2400 pound towing capacity. I also adjusted the trailer axle position to produce a 200 pound tongue weight (about 10% of trailer weight). > I also have Trailer brakes, wouldn't leave home without em. > Also, I tow usually with the tongue at mid extension as mentioned before. That is NOT the maximum extension sometimes used for launching. > > ~~~_/)~~~ Gary > Sent from my iPhone :-) > > On Mar 26, 2013, at 12:06 PM, stevetrapp <stevetrapp(a)q.com> wrote: > >> Gary, >> I am sure that you know this from experience of driving on the winding country roads that surround your sailing area on Lake Couer D' Alene. Do you tow you M-boat home or into town for winter, or store it there at the boat yard? >> Steve >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "GARY M HYDE" <gmhyde1(a)mac.com> >> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> >> Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2013 2:33 PM >> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Towing with the extension out >> >> >> Actually the sway is less with the long tongue because the car has better leverage on the trailer. >> >> ~~~_/)~~~ Gary >> Sent from my iPhone :-) >> >> On Mar 26, 2013, at 4:11 AM, "George R. Iemmolo" <griemmolo2(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> My concern would be that the pivot point (ball hitch) is an increased >>> distance from the weight (boat) any sway would be greater than normal ("Give >>> me a lever long enough and I can move the earth") and could cause the auto >>> to be affected. >>> >>> George >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: montgomery_boats-bounces(a)mailman.xmission.com >>> [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Ronald >>> McNeil >>> Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 8:25 PM >>> To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com >>> Subject: M_Boats: Towing with the extension out >>> >>> I am considering to just tow my M17 with the extension out on the trailer. >>> The extension on my Pacific trail is not all that long, while extended there >>> is about 4-5 feet of overlap with two pins holding it. >>> >>> I tow it about 15 miles back and forth to the lake, no highway but speeds up >>> to 55mph. >>> I know there are ways to set it up to easily extended it without taking it >>> off the hitch but I have not gotten around to that yet. >>> >>> Does anyone think this would be unsafe or not recommended for some reason? >>> >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Ron McNeil >>> Jackpot >> >> >> >> ----- >> No virus found in this message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 2013.0.2904 / Virus Database: 2641/6205 - Release Date: 03/26/13 > > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2013.0.2904 / Virus Database: 2641/6205 - Release Date: 03/26/13 > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2013 15:06:07 -1000 > From: GARY M HYDE <gmhyde1(a)mac.com> > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Towing with the extension out > Message-ID: <FCD3280D-39B0-45CE-9D55-EB7E5747A8EB(a)mac.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > The turbocharger is the difference, along with the trailer brakes. > > ~~~_/)~~~ Gary > Sent from my iPhone :-) > > On Mar 26, 2013, at 2:20 PM, stevetrapp <stevetrapp(a)q.com> wrote: > >> Gary, >> Amazing. Particularly towing it with your Subaru Forester. I have a 2001 Subaru Forester that groans to get my M-15 up the hill from Conkling Park. >> Steve >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "GARY M HYDE" <gmhyde1(a)mac.com> >> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> >> Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2013 4:52 PM >> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Towing with the extension out >> >> >> Steve : >> I've towed the M17 about 10,000 miles including from California, to & from Lake Havasu, 5 times from Pullman to Western WA and back, and many shorter trips, all with a 2004 Subaru Forester Turbo, rated at 2400 pound towing capacity. I also adjusted the trailer axle position to produce a 200 pound tongue weight (about 10% of trailer weight). >> I also have Trailer brakes, wouldn't leave home without em. >> Also, I tow usually with the tongue at mid extension as mentioned before. That is NOT the maximum extension sometimes used for launching. >> >> ~~~_/)~~~ Gary >> Sent from my iPhone :-) >> >> On Mar 26, 2013, at 12:06 PM, stevetrapp <stevetrapp(a)q.com> wrote: >> >>> Gary, >>> I am sure that you know this from experience of driving on the winding country roads that surround your sailing area on Lake Couer D' Alene. Do you tow you M-boat home or into town for winter, or store it there at the boat yard? >>> Steve >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "GARY M HYDE" <gmhyde1(a)mac.com> >>> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> >>> Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2013 2:33 PM >>> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Towing with the extension out >>> >>> >>> Actually the sway is less with the long tongue because the car has better leverage on the trailer. >>> >>> ~~~_/)~~~ Gary >>> Sent from my iPhone :-) >>> >>> On Mar 26, 2013, at 4:11 AM, "George R. Iemmolo" <griemmolo2(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> My concern would be that the pivot point (ball hitch) is an increased >>>> distance from the weight (boat) any sway would be greater than normal ("Give >>>> me a lever long enough and I can move the earth") and could cause the auto >>>> to be affected. >>>> >>>> George >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: montgomery_boats-bounces(a)mailman.xmission.com >>>> [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Ronald >>>> McNeil >>>> Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 8:25 PM >>>> To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com >>>> Subject: M_Boats: Towing with the extension out >>>> >>>> I am considering to just tow my M17 with the extension out on the trailer. >>>> The extension on my Pacific trail is not all that long, while extended there >>>> is about 4-5 feet of overlap with two pins holding it. >>>> >>>> I tow it about 15 miles back and forth to the lake, no highway but speeds up >>>> to 55mph. >>>> I know there are ways to set it up to easily extended it without taking it >>>> off the hitch but I have not gotten around to that yet. >>>> >>>> Does anyone think this would be unsafe or not recommended for some reason? >>>> >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> Ron McNeil >>>> Jackpot >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- >>> No virus found in this message. >>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >>> Version: 2013.0.2904 / Virus Database: 2641/6205 - Release Date: 03/26/13 >> >> >> >> ----- >> No virus found in this message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 2013.0.2904 / Virus Database: 2641/6205 - Release Date: 03/26/13 > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2013 18:10:33 -0700 > From: Tom Smith <openboatt(a)gmail.com> > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Towing with the extension out > Message-ID: > <CA+3pONL_JENXpkAnGrL9h7jCnrRWnfmU_y5gFOGrBQaqvp5fuQ(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Aloha Gary!! t > > On Tue, Mar 26, 2013 at 4:39 PM, GARY M HYDE <gmhyde1(a)mac.com> wrote: > >> Tom: >> Once an engineer, always an engineer. >> Aloha! >> >> ~~~_/)~~~ Gary >> Sent from my iPhone :-) >> >> On Mar 26, 2013, at 12:13 PM, Tom Smith <openboatt(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Gary 'bookworm' Hyde... :-) t >>> >>> On Tue, Mar 26, 2013 at 2:33 PM, GARY M HYDE <gmhyde1(a)mac.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Actually the sway is less with the long tongue because the car has >> better >>>> leverage on the trailer. >>>> >>>> ~~~_/)~~~ Gary >>>> Sent from my iPhone :-) >>>> >>>> On Mar 26, 2013, at 4:11 AM, "George R. Iemmolo" <griemmolo2(a)gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> My concern would be that the pivot point (ball hitch) is an increased >>>>> distance from the weight (boat) any sway would be greater than normal >>>> ("Give >>>>> me a lever long enough and I can move the earth") and could cause the >>>> auto >>>>> to be affected. >>>>> >>>>> George >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: montgomery_boats-bounces(a)mailman.xmission.com >>>>> [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of >>>> Ronald >>>>> McNeil >>>>> Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 8:25 PM >>>>> To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com >>>>> Subject: M_Boats: Towing with the extension out >>>>> >>>>> I am considering to just tow my M17 with the extension out on the >>>> trailer. >>>>> The extension on my Pacific trail is not all that long, while extended >>>> there >>>>> is about 4-5 feet of overlap with two pins holding it. >>>>> >>>>> I tow it about 15 miles back and forth to the lake, no highway but >>>> speeds up >>>>> to 55mph. >>>>> I know there are ways to set it up to easily extended it without taking >>>> it >>>>> off the hitch but I have not gotten around to that yet. >>>>> >>>>> Does anyone think this would be unsafe or not recommended for some >>>> reason? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> Ron McNeil >>>>> Jackpot > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 10:07:15 -0400 > From: "Robert Hall" <bert.hall(a)rogers.com> > To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Lifting the M-15 > Message-ID: <97685DE21DBE418C9E425DEBF3AF049D@Pavilion> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Hi David, That material you sent is exactly what I need. Many thanks. RTH. > > -----Original Message----- > From: W David Scobie > Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2013 6:22 PM > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Lifting the M-15 > > lifting an M15 example using a method related to Jerry's comments on how > strong the chainplates and stern cleats are. in this case the 'lifter' is a > forklift - > > http://msogphotosite.com/MSOG/b15cbrep/b15cbrep1.jpg > > the description of the above here - > > http://msogphotosite.com/M15CBRepl.html > > (you can click the spaces where the images are suppose to be ... still > working on updating the site). > > > here is another way - > > http://msogphotosite.com/m15garage.html > > (you can click the spaces where the images are suppose to be ... still > working on updating the site). > > > and another - > > http://msogphotosite.com/15breezecb.html > > (you can click the spaces where the images are suppose to be ... still > working on updating the site). > > > if 'smiley' sees these posts he can comment on the lifting bridle he and a > boatyard created. i've seen pictures and it is a VERY nice setup. > > > :: Dave Scobie > > --- On Tue, 3/26/13, Robert Hall <bert.hall(a)rogers.com> wrote: > >> >> Hello All, Somewhere in the >> literature on the net I have seen illustrated instructions >> on how to raise a Monty 15 off its trailer and remove the >> trailer while lowering the boat onto supports so work can be >> done on the bottom/keel. To date my search has failed to >> locate any information of use.Do any of my fellow M-15 >> owners have any advice? Thanks. RTH. > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 17:38:19 -0400 > From: Bill Wickett <billwick(a)gmail.com> > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Subject: M_Boats: Iron centreboard on M17 > Message-ID: > <CAFd5cDm=WDVkm2vELVpsxe8FftH06CZwERjj7EJ_1exKc=8e=Q(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Who can advise the year that the CB was changed from iron to laminate? > Which CB would an '89 M17 be likely to have? Would the ballast be iron or > lead? > > Thanks, > > Bill Wickett > Makin' Time M17 #622 > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 14:50:27 -0700 > From: "jerry montgomery" <jerry(a)jerrymontgomery.org> > To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Iron centreboard on M17 > Message-ID: <D73F15ADF31D4E40B0E04D88BF811D37@jerryws10> > Content-Type: text/plain; format="flowed"; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type="original" > > That was about the time when I switched from steel punchings to lead shot in > the ballast; I'd guess that your boat has lead ballast but the old iron > board. You can check the ballast by running a compass or magnet over the > keel, and the board by crawling under and looking. > > jerry > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bill Wickett" <billwick(a)gmail.com> > To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2013 2:38 PM > Subject: M_Boats: Iron centreboard on M17 > > >> Who can advise the year that the CB was changed from iron to laminate? >> Which CB would an '89 M17 be likely to have? Would the ballast be iron or >> lead? >> >> Thanks, >> >> Bill Wickett >> Makin' Time M17 #622 > > > -- > I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. > SPAMfighter has removed 8193 of my spam emails to date. > Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len > > Do you have a slow PC? Try a Free scan http://www.spamfighter.com/SLOW-PCfighter?cid=sigen > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 9 > Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 14:55:10 -0700 (PDT) > From: W David Scobie <wdscobie(a)yahoo.com> > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Iron centreboard on M17 > Message-ID: > <1364421310.65307.YahooMailClassic(a)web121702.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > Bill: > > from information shared by Randy G. - > > In 1988 (roughly at hull #400) the centerboard was changed from 220 lbs cast iron to the same centerboard as is used in the M15, weighing 40 lbs. The M15 is comprised of a fiberglass-lead-fiberglass sandwich and does not require a winch to raise and lower. Also, the ballast was increased to compensate for the change in centerboard weight, and the ballast was changed from steel punching to lead. These changes took places over several boats. For example; our [Randy's] 1988 M17 #410 has the fiberglass centerboard but steel punching ballast. > > (can't remember where i got this specifically ... what i have is credited to Randy.) > > > :: Dave Scobie > > > --- On Wed, 3/27/13, Bill Wickett <billwick(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> >> Who can advise the year that the CB >> was changed from iron to laminate? >> Which CB would an '89 M17 be likely to have? Would the >> ballast be iron or >> lead? >> >> Thanks, >> >> Bill Wickett >> Makin' Time M17? #622 > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 10 > Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 17:57:50 -0400 > From: Bill Wickett <billwick(a)gmail.com> > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Iron centreboard on M17 > Message-ID: > <CAFd5cD=WEn1_Gox2K7_FNXi_F0=6Dpes_QuQtK=She8j2XVAcQ(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Thank you Jerry > > On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 5:50 PM, jerry montgomery <jerry(a)jerrymontgomery.org >> wrote: > >> That was about the time when I switched from steel punchings to lead shot >> in the ballast; I'd guess that your boat has lead ballast but the old >> iron board. You can check the ballast by running a compass or magnet over >> the keel, and the board by crawling under and looking. >> >> jerry >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Wickett" <billwick(a)gmail.com> >> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.** >> xmission.com <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com>> >> Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2013 2:38 PM >> Subject: M_Boats: Iron centreboard on M17 >> >> >> >> Who can advise the year that the CB was changed from iron to laminate? >>> Which CB would an '89 M17 be likely to have? Would the ballast be iron or >>> lead? >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Bill Wickett >>> Makin' Time M17 #622 >> >> -- >> I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. >> SPAMfighter has removed 8193 of my spam emails to date. >> Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len >> >> Do you have a slow PC? Try a Free scan http://www.spamfighter.com/** >> SLOW-PCfighter?cid=sigen<http://www.spamfighter.com/SLOW-PCfighter?cid=sigen> > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 11 > Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 17:58:51 -0400 > From: Bill Wickett <billwick(a)gmail.com> > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Iron centreboard on M17 > Message-ID: > <CAFd5cDkzye9bja=krMQUPTammug1Nm5TSkAaZG6M6CvhgZmJRQ(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Appreciate the info Dave. Will take a magnet with me when I look at her. > > Bill > > On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 5:55 PM, W David Scobie <wdscobie(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > >> Bill: >> >> from information shared by Randy G. - >> >> In 1988 (roughly at hull #400) the centerboard was changed from 220 lbs >> cast iron to the same centerboard as is used in the M15, weighing 40 lbs. >> The M15 is comprised of a fiberglass-lead-fiberglass sandwich and does not >> require a winch to raise and lower. Also, the ballast was increased to >> compensate for the change in centerboard weight, and the ballast was >> changed from steel punching to lead. These changes took places over several >> boats. For example; our [Randy's] 1988 M17 #410 has the fiberglass >> centerboard but steel punching ballast. >> >> (can't remember where i got this specifically ... what i have is credited >> to Randy.) >> >> >> :: Dave Scobie >> >> >> --- On Wed, 3/27/13, Bill Wickett <billwick(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> >>> Who can advise the year that the CB >>> was changed from iron to laminate? >>> Which CB would an '89 M17 be likely to have? Would the >>> ballast be iron or >>> lead? >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Bill Wickett >>> Makin' Time M17 #622 > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 12 > Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 17:16:58 -0700 > From: "R.K. Graves" <rkgraves(a)gmail.com> > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Iron centreboard on M17 > Message-ID: > <CADyq_zxE=RhQO88CPgAaZ4UxdCoX62fuPvO+D3xs37DAGbJ8ag(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Bill, > > The CB change for cast iron to laminated fiberglass/lead occurred around > hull number 400, roughly early 1988. I have 1988 hull #407 and it has > the fiberglass/lead CB but steel punchings for ballast. As far as I know > all the non-cast iron CB's are fiberglass/lead. I believe the same > fiberglass/lead CB is used on both the 15 and the 17. The change from steel > punching to lead ballast occurred sometime after hull #407. The best way to > tell which type of ballast a 17 has is to see if a large magnet is > attracted to the keel (takes a pretty good size magnet for the test). > > Randy Graves > > On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 2:38 PM, Bill Wickett <billwick(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> Who can advise the year that the CB was changed from iron to laminate? >> Which CB would an '89 M17 be likely to have? Would the ballast be iron or >> lead? >> >> Thanks, >> >> Bill Wickett >> Makin' Time M17 #622 > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 13 > Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 09:48:08 -0500 > From: "George R. Iemmolo" <griemmolo2(a)gmail.com> > To: <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Subject: M_Boats: Flotation > Message-ID: <DFFF3D5AD99F41C89CDFE154853B17C0@GeorgeHPDV9500> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > I have started to work on my recent acquisition that has been sitting for > some years unused and in need of some TLC. I find a large amount of > Styrofoam block beneath the deck. Is this normal? > > > > George > > 96 M15 #602 > > NoNameYet > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 14 > Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 07:57:16 -0700 > From: Tom Smith <openboatt(a)gmail.com> > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Flotation > Message-ID: > <CA+3pONJomet_yD-LHJYd67oGkbbSzd2_9Y48gScUSsi0BNuQOw(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Yes, it's normal. t > > > On Fri, Mar 29, 2013 at 7:48 AM, George R. Iemmolo <griemmolo2(a)gmail.com>wrote: > >> I have started to work on my recent acquisition that has been sitting for >> some years unused and in need of some TLC. I find a large amount of >> Styrofoam block beneath the deck. Is this normal? >> >> >> >> George >> >> 96 M15 #602 >> >> NoNameYet > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 15 > Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 11:01:18 -0400 > From: Conbert Benneck <chbenneck(a)sbcglobal.net> > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Flotation > Message-ID: <5155ACBE.7040007(a)sbcglobal.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > On 29-Mar-13 10:48 AM, George R. Iemmolo wrote: > > Hi George, > > Yes, it's normal. > > You'll find styrofoam blocks up in the bow compartment, if you remove > the screws holding the cover in place. > > You'll also find it under the cockpit sole, in the bilge. > > Connie > > ex M15 #400 LEPPO > > >> I have started to work on my recent acquisition that has been sitting for >> some years unused and in need of some TLC. I find a large amount of >> Styrofoam block beneath the deck. Is this normal? >> >> >> >> George >> >> 96 M15 #602 >> >> NoNameYet > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 16 > Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 09:05:06 -0700 (PDT) > From: W David Scobie <wdscobie(a)yahoo.com> > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Flotation > Message-ID: > <1364573106.18922.YahooMailClassic(a)web121704.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > George: > > to add a photo to the comments already shared that yes the M15 has positive flotation foam under forward end of the v-berth and under the cockpit floor i've attached to this email a photo showin under the v-berth (after unscrewing the locker lid). > > > :: Dave Scobie > :: former M15 owner - www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred > > --- On Fri, 3/29/13, George R. Iemmolo <griemmolo2(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> >> I have started to work on my recent >> acquisition that has been sitting for >> some years unused and in need of some TLC. I find a large >> amount of >> Styrofoam block beneath the deck. Is this normal? >> >> >> >> George >> >> 96 M15 #602 >> >> NoNameYet? ? >

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Lines
by George R. Iemmolo 31 Mar '13

31 Mar '13

I could not find any info on size, length & type of various lines for the M15 on the MSOG site. Can someone point me in the right direction for this information? George M15 #602 NoNameYet

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Re: M_Boats: Flotation
by W David Scobie 29 Mar '13

29 Mar '13

George: based on the pictures i saw of your boat my guess was that 'bulkheaded' area in the forward part of the v-berth is filled with foam ... but no guarantee. the builder, Chuck, may have just made a 'box full of air' and put it there. if there is a hole in an 'air box' the boat can still sink. the other negative of a box of foam, or air, is if there is small hole the area can fill with some water and mold will grow (dark space with little/no airflow). the other issue i saw was that 'bulkheaded space' seemed smaller than the area Jerry filled with foam (see the picture i sent before). if this is the case there may not be enough foam/air to float the boat. now, the other perspective on this is not to worry about the boat floating if swamped/holed. i learned to sail on boats that would sink. my folk's boat was a 32' Cheoy Lee ... no way to keep her above the surface if she was holed. my personal perspective is i don't expect a swamped/holed boat to float so i don't 'worry' about flotation foam. what i worry about is not hitting something and holing the boat; or getting swamped (and why i put the hatchboards in place if the wind/seas come up). with the above said on my M15 if i were to have taken a long distance/time cruise (ie, up the inside passage from WA to AK) i would have taken out the foam so i would have more space to store food and water. again, this is what i, Dave, would do for myself. i sail my M17, that has no flotation foam, with no concerns. :: Dave Scobie --- On Fri, 3/29/13, George R. Iemmolo <griemmolo2(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Connie > > In my unit there is small 2'x2' compartment that seals off > the rest of the > area under the bunks. I have to make an assumption that the > rest of the area > is filled with Styrofoam blocks. Do not have a small digital > snake camera to > check it out from the compartments under the side seats. > > Thanks for the prompt feed back. I know I will be seeking a > great deal of > information as I progress with my cleanup and rigging. > > George > > > -----Original Message----- > From: montgomery_boats-bounces(a)mailman.xmission.com > [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] > On Behalf Of Conbert > Benneck > Sent: Friday, March 29, 2013 10:01 AM > > > Hi George, > > Yes, it's normal. > > You'll find styrofoam blocks up in the bow compartment, if > you remove > the screws holding the cover in place. > > You'll also find it under the cockpit sole, in the bilge. > > Connie > > ex M15 #400 LEPPO > > > On 29-Mar-13 10:48 AM, George R. Iemmolo wrote: > > > > I have started to work on my recent acquisition that > has been sitting for > > some years unused and in need of some TLC. I find a > large amount of > > Styrofoam block beneath the deck. Is this normal? > > > > > > > > George > > > > 96 M15 #602 > > > > NoNameYet > > > > > > > > >

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Re: M_Boats: Flotation
by W David Scobie 29 Mar '13

29 Mar '13

George: to add a photo to the comments already shared that yes the M15 has positive flotation foam under forward end of the v-berth and under the cockpit floor i've attached to this email a photo showin under the v-berth (after unscrewing the locker lid). :: Dave Scobie :: former M15 owner - www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred --- On Fri, 3/29/13, George R. Iemmolo <griemmolo2(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > I have started to work on my recent > acquisition that has been sitting for > some years unused and in need of some TLC. I find a large > amount of > Styrofoam block beneath the deck. Is this normal? > > > > George > > 96 M15 #602 > > NoNameYet > >

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Flotation
by George R. Iemmolo 29 Mar '13

29 Mar '13

I have started to work on my recent acquisition that has been sitting for some years unused and in need of some TLC. I find a large amount of Styrofoam block beneath the deck. Is this normal? George 96 M15 #602 NoNameYet

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Iron centreboard on M17
by Bill Wickett 28 Mar '13

28 Mar '13

Who can advise the year that the CB was changed from iron to laminate? Which CB would an '89 M17 be likely to have? Would the ballast be iron or lead? Thanks, Bill Wickett Makin' Time M17 #622

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