February 2012 - montgomery_boats - mailman.xmission.com

Little Breeze M15
by Michael Mann 18 Nov '15

18 Nov '15

Hi, My name is Michael Mann and in 1982, I sailed the Montgomery 15, Little Breeze from CA to Hawaii. I see on the web site that she has been rescued by new owners in Hawaii and I would love to correspond with them. I am currently sailing on a container ship headed for Honolulu and would welcome the chance to make contact. Thanks for any info. Michael Mann

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Montgomery Sailboats are in high demand
by Bob Eeg 15 Jul '13

15 Jul '13

And are built with top-notch quality. There is nothing in the market place faster, better built and as good looking as a Montgomery Sailboat. I don't run a factory; I run a very small boatshop. I built to order on a boat by boat basis. I do a lot of custom work when asked. Bronze ports, Stainless ports, extra ballast, Custom electrical systems, Idasailor rudders, anchoring packages..etc. This work is labor intensive. Quality takes time. I have 3 employees. These people are highly experienced in Laminating, construction, assembly and finish. Woodworking and other skills result in a absolutely beautiful sailing vessel. I use the best sails the best rigging, the best custom stainless fasteners..and yes....(laughing) the best cushions. This last 15 months have been EXTREMELY busy; hiring new help was impossible because all the good people are gone. We had a tremendous BACKLOG and we caught a break only when Pacific Seacraft employees (let go) began filtering into our shop looking for work. We did add some additional crew in the Laminating Shop and because of that we are caught up. Pacific Seacrafts Bankruptcy was good for us. Bad for the dozens of good people who are out of work. The FIRST question of anyone buying a new boat should be 'How is the construction quality'? First and foremost that is the most important issue. I can say that everyone has experienced and will continue to experience a BACKLOG of orders; especially if the boat is as popular as a Montgomery Sailboat. When we had an 8 month backlog and I actually turned down 2 M_17 orders so we could catch our breath. It is impossible to work any harder or any faster. Now that were caught up we can get back to our normal 50-70 days (depending on model and options). Also custom work really adds to the production time. One beautiful M_17 we did we cut the V berth out of and installed an oval bulkhead, custom shelves and inline potti area; with 4 bronze ports she is an amazing boat, but custom work takes time. Expect delays if you go radical on the interior. (I think BONES has a photo of that one...) We are really one of the only builders that entertain changes and options to satisfy the customer. This new Passagemaker M_17 were building (and installing a windvane on tomorrow) is going to be amazing. Other actual boat factories that produce boats for DEALERS (that Tod mentioned) like Precision and Compac are built on Factory Production lines for a large Dealership Network. Dealers who have these boats in stock can supply them right away. But ask for major changes on a future production boat and the wait will be many months. International Marine builds boats faster with more employees but those boats are piss poor sailers (upwind) and many arrive with a list of problems that are pathetic. That's not me. So try not to focus on the TIME factor. We can only go so fast. Hiring additional help is not an option because by the time you train someone the season gets slow and you have to lay them off. I can't do that. I have people that have been with me for 20 years; I keep us small and efficient on purpose. So be surprised if we hit the delivery time; which we do quite often. Be a little disappointed when we miss it; but get over it when you see your boat. Dozens of you know me; you've arrived to see me rig your boat, pack you up and shake your hand. (Heck...Gary Hyde even brought me a bottle of wine..!..Thanks Gary.!) One man bought a new M_15 from us and a new M_17 a year later.! The C word...Cushions. I inspect everyboat before it leaves for home. Scott's boat was leaving for the Bay Area early Friday morning; I was at the boatshop at 10:30 PM Thursday night, sleeping at the picnic table just inside the door, waiting for the cushion guy to arrive with the (late) promised cushions. He drove up, woke me up and I watched as he stacked them on the deck. We left. My man arrived at 3AM and hooked up the boat and slid the cushions inside the boat. I should have loaded them myself then I would have noticed they looked good but didn't have the required 'Squeeze' factor. Let's move on, shall we....? Fair winds Bob Eeg (949) 489-8227 Boat Builder

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Re: M_Boats: Hi
by SALGLESSER＠aol.com 07 Jul '13

07 Jul '13

Hi Gordon, Louis, In my "day job" we began to export in 1979. We began to import in 1981. With more than 30 years of experience in this area and more than 1,000,000 miles traveling to distant lands, I believe my understanding is somewhat broad with regards to the question. There is truth to what Gordon says, and there is also truth to what Louis says. The question is quite complex, certainly more than can be discussed on this board (although I am willing to share info and experience if anyone is interested). The valuation of currency is critical to understanding. Long term, it is important to balance import and export as it is important to help support US companies. At Sage Marine, we are offering sails from both Harry Pattison and Judy B., whom have demonstrated quality and commitment. (We will also work with any sail-maker of your choice). Please pardon the shameless plug. Hi Bones, Quality is more a demonstration of longevity than performance, and longevity is difficult to determine in the short term. sal In a message dated 8/24/2011 8:54:54 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, gordon(a)financialwriting.net writes: Apology accepted, Louis. You're right in that 2/3rds of the U.S. gross domestic product is driven by the consumer sector -- the goods and services purchased by all of us (excluding businesses and the government). That's important for our nation's well being, and especially for small businesses. All competitors in the global economy -- including many "mom-and-pop outfits" in the United States -- work hard to sell to foreign buyers. At the same time, many savvy consumers seek out the world's best products and services for the lowest price -- which makes sense. In a way, this potentially threatening "global economy" can benefit us all -- as consumers and businesses. I don't think boat sails or any other products are necessarily inferior -- or "low-ball," as you said -- just because they are made abroad. What's more, my recommending a Chinese sailmaker to someone doesn't mean I'm against buying "American." In fact, feel free to call Harry Pattison at Elliott-Pattison Sailmakers, a top-notch sailmaker in the United State of California who knows Montgomery boats well, and ask him how many sails Gordon Gilbert has purchased from him. You might be surprised at what an "equal opportunity" buyer I am. I'm just a hard-working guy who, like anyone else, wants to get the most for his money. Enjoy the rest of your sailing season! Gordon Still a Proud U.S. Air Force Veteran P.S. Frankly, I don't think being disrespectful or discourteous to someone in an e-mail -- especially someone you don't know -- is a good way to GET THEIR ATTENTION. On Aug 24, 2011, at 5:28 PM, Louis Remmers wrote: > Gordon: I do apologize if my e mail seemed disrespectful, but I DID get your attention. Although we all know the current economic situation is global, very few of us have any influence in foreign economics. We do however have a huge impact in the economy of the USA. If we all purchase in country it WILL make a difference. I would like to recommend Douglas Fowler sail maker from New York. Chris Rooke in Memphis is also able to make excellent sails at a very good price. If you look around you will find MANY mom and pop outfits that we need to help us all float our boats so to speak. Once again accept my apologies for rocking your boat. Louis Remmers. > > --- On Tue, 8/23/11, Andrei Caldararu <andreic(a)math.wisc.edu> wrote: > > > From: Andrei Caldararu <andreic(a)math.wisc.edu> > Subject: M_Boats: Hi > To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Date: Tuesday, August 23, 2011, 12:34 PM > > > Dear Gordon, > > First, I hope your health is at least as good as it can be under the circumstances. How are you feeling? Have you been able to do some sailing in MN? > > I wanted to ask you a quick question. I remembered that at some point you mentioned an outfit in China which sold you sails for the Monty 17 at a very good price. Were you happy with the quality? What was the name/web address of the place? I am thinking of getting a new mainsail, and perhaps a new sail for a new boat I got (a Windrider 16, single person trimaran). > > Best wishes of health and hope, and I hope to hear from you soon. > > Andrei. > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > When posting, remember that there is no privacy on the Internet! > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > When posting, remember that there is no privacy on the Internet! _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats When posting, remember that there is no privacy on the Internet!

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Re: M_Boats: WrinkleBoat Ran-Tan 2012 January 13-15 Phoenix ALL invite d !
by bownez＠juno.com 05 Feb '13

05 Feb '13

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BEER cruise at Pensacola
by Michael Murphy 26 Apr '12

26 Apr '12

Got back from the BEER (Backwater Environmental Escape Rendevous) in Florda this week. 3 small boats were there: a M-15, a Potter 15, & a 20' cat boat; boats like 26' MacGregors and Morgons predominated. Half the trip was a beam reach with northerly land breezes in the early AM and southwesterly sea breezes buyilding around noon. Only down side was the long road trip. Might have to try the Savannah area instead next year. It's closer to NC. Mike, Fionnula, M-15

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Cockpit Scuppers?
by Jeffrey Johnston 13 Mar '12

13 Mar '12

Upon closer eye-balling of my "new" (1981 #176) Monty 15, I find no cockpit scuppers. I cannot believe that this could be a design flaw (not typical of Jerry), but am a bit concerned about blue water soaking my feet (or worse). Ought I worry about this and retro-fit scuppers in the cockpit? If so, have others done this job and is there any type of "how-to" guide out there in Monty Land? Many thanks in advance....... *Jeff+* Molōn labe!

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Re: M_Boats: Buoyancy
by GILASAILR＠aol.com 01 Mar '12

01 Mar '12

I haven't had a drink since a recent small boat convention evening session - you missed it Dr Tone.

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Re: M_Boats: Buoyancy
by W David Scobie 29 Feb '12

29 Feb '12

Bob M. (and other readers): as Skip and Tod have stated the foam is only to keep the boat floating at the deck level if you REALLY swamp the boat. Phil's inflatable bag system also works. this is what he installed on his Sage 17. Jerry has told me on his M15 he would fill the forward section of the v-berth with water jugs, not foam, for extended cruising in the Sea of Cortez. as Tom has stated as the wind increases be sure to put the drop hatches in place to keep most of the water out if you get pooped or knocked down. the M15 will self right if knocked down ... this ability was tested a few times with M15s during HPCC 2012. Tom also noted, correctly, that there is no need to 'over fill' the boat with foam. the amount that Jerry installed 'stock' is adequate to keep the boat afloat, at deck level, if 100% swamped. :: Dave Scobie :: former M15 owner - www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - www.m17-375.webs.com :: Sage Marine - www.sagemarine.com --- On Tue, 2/28/12, Robert Macomber <macomber(a)robertmacomber.com> wrote: > Dave, > > What would happen if you take all the styrofoam out of the > forepeak and under the cockpit. Would it affect the boat's > sailing or stability? Or is it's purpose only in case of > capsize or swamping, to keep the boat afloat? > > Bob Macomber > NANCY ANN M-15 #195 > Matlacha Island > Florida > > > > --- On Tue, 2/28/12, W David Scobie <wdscobie(a)yahoo.com> > wrote: > > > jerry's M15s had a couple of large blocks of foam that sit > in the 'box' formed between the bulkheads and stringers that > support the cockpit floor (ie, foam is a large rectangle > under the cockpit floor). no foam is in the port and > starboard cockpit locker spaces. > > the forward v-berth space is filled with 'artfully cut' > pieces of foam that is shoved to fit and fill 90% of the > forward 2/3rd of the v-berth. the hatch (jerry calls it a > 'bin cover') that provides access into the forward section > of the v-berth should be screwed shut so the forward foam > can't get out if the boat is swamped. > > the lockers port and starboard of the potti space are for > storage, not foam. > > 'spray in' foam may be the only option (besides pool > noodles, or flotation bags) to correct any missing foam > issue under the cockpit. i recommend a non-spray solution > to the forward portion of the v-berth. > > the foam used by jerry was expanded polystyrene (EPS). if > you are near golden, CO, i can provide some for a M15 > revitalization project. (i have EPS in stock for the Sage 17 > positive flotation option). > > > :: Dave Scobie > :: former M15 owner - www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred > :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - www.m17-375.webs.com > :: Sage Marine - www.sagemarine.com > > --- On Mon, 2/27/12, Klaas <santaklaas(a)telus.net> > wrote: > > > > I'm still working on my 15ft Monty > > and noticed that the old styrofoam is breaking up . > That's > > in both the front and back areas , at the back there > was > > just two small blocks about 8x10 inch by 1ft . I'm > thinking > > of either filling the areas with some of the building > foam > > in aerosol cans , or using sailing dinghy buoyancy bags > . > > Anyone done either or have any ideas why one shouldn't > do > > either > > Thanks in advance for any comments > > KLaas > > > >

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Re: M_Boats: Buoyancy
by GILASAILR＠aol.com 29 Feb '12

29 Feb '12

Two liter soda bottles with the caps screwed on tightly. Reduce/Reuse/Recycle. (pretty durable too - they do well in abrasive situations). Not a recommendation to provide LIFE or Property saving methods, always wear safety googles , a proper respirator, steel toe shoes - your actual mileage may vary - Any idiot with a computer and internet access can and will proclaim expert status - I ain't one. Lurker

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M boats: Bouyancy
by jnschum 29 Feb '12

29 Feb '12

Below are links of a story about Mark Hightower and preparation of his M17 Freebird world cruiser. I found it to be interesting reading. Mark sailed an M17 further than most and in much more difficult conditions than most of us hope to encounter but we should still be aware of the basic limitations of a boat with a large cockpit. http://msog.org/mon/mon2-4/mon2-4-5.htm http://msog.org/mon/mon2-4/mon2-4-6.htm

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