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M17 for sail
by Randy and Kay Sommerfeld 14 Sep '11

14 Sep '11

http://minneapolis.craigslist.org/hnp/boa/2591439982.html I found my first M17 and its for sale..I sold it about 17 years ago to buy a bigger boat, which lead to a bigger 30 foot Catalina..and now I am back to my current 2010 M17. Too cool Randy Sommerfeld

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Re: M_Boats: #232 M-17 For Sale
by bownez＠juno.com 14 Sep '11

14 Sep '11

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Sailing Tomales again
by Daniel Rich 12 Sep '11

12 Sep '11

I had to get out to sail today for my mental health. My dad passed away on Friday. Here is a blog post with a short video: http://danielgrich.users.sonic.net/?p=147 Daniel Rich M15 #208 "Kestrel"

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Havasu Pocket Cruiser Convention 2012 - Website LIVE
by Nebwest2＠aol.com 10 Sep '11

10 Sep '11

Website for the 2012 event went live today. Dates: Feb 13th through 20th. If you plan on, or are thinking about attending....we need to hear from you. Trying to get a feel for how many boats to expect in this economy. This years event specifics are not out yet ( what the seminars are, races, etc) but if you look at the recap videos and website from last year, figure it will resemble that. Better yet...talk to someone that attended for an unbiased opinion. Watch the 4 minute video and click on the button provided that says "Tell us you are coming". We need crew names, boat type, and home port. That's it. THIS IS NOT THE FORMAL REGISTRATION...just a little thing we do at the beginning of each years event to get a feel for how big this thing is going to be and what we need to plan for. _http://www.sailhavasu.com_ (http://www.sailhavasu.com) Hope to see you here!! Sean

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Current on Kentucky Lake
by Michael Murphy 10 Sep '11

10 Sep '11

I've been trying to find the speed of the current on Kentucky Lake. The Corps site only lists it by CF/Sec, or as "average", "high", or "low". For cruise planing it would be helpful to be able to convert these to knots. Mike, M-15 Fionnula

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Where to put the jib blocks on a M17
by Tom Frei 10 Sep '11

10 Sep '11

Hello all. I learn a lot from reading your emails. I was just reading a thread on sail sizes and read that one of the authors was thankful for the information of putting the 150 genoa blocks on the tow rail outside the shrouds. He seemed to imply that there was a mounting point for the smaller jibs somewhere between the shrouds. I'm new to rigging my recently purchased 1981 blue M-17 and I always put the blocks for the foresail (no matter what the size) on the toe rail. I imagine the boat could point better with the blocks located further towards the center of the boat. Am I doing this wrong? Where are your jib (say 100 sized) blocks normally located? Thanks for your help. Tom Frei

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For sale
by Tom and Susan Wilkinson 09 Sep '11

09 Sep '11

Selling my Montgomery 6-8. It comes with rudder and bronze oar locks. All woodwork and rudder finished in good quality varnish. Has never been in the water. Check the price of a new one. Asking $950 If interested please contact me offline at ttwilki(a)mindspring.com

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Transporting with motor attached to transom.
by Jim hymes 08 Sep '11

08 Sep '11

I’ve read that it’s not recommended to trailer with motor attached. I’ve seen how the motor causes my transom to flex. I’ve got ideas on how to reduce the flexing. * Wedge a 2x4 between the motor and the transom bracket, and drawing them together, taking slack out by tightening a rope around them, thereby reducing the bouncing movement of the motor. *** (best?) Fastening (2)strips 2” wide 16”or longer of 3/8” stainless vertically on the inside of the transom and bolting the bracket through them, since the flexing is along a horizontal line. Additionally 2 more strips slightly longer than the distance from top to bottom bolts of bracket on the outside of the transom ** Putting in a larger backing plate, extending several inches beyond the bolts all the way around. * Putting in a core of something between the transom and cockpit wall. Opinions? Jim Hymes

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Re: M_Boats: Sail Sizes and Features
by Stan Susman 07 Sep '11

07 Sep '11

Funny he looks younger . -----Original Message----- From: jerry Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 9:57 AM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Sail Sizes and Features Great; he's even older than I am- you never know. jerry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stan Susman" <stanpfa(a)pacbell.net> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2011 10:15 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Sail Sizes and Features > Don is still a great guy! > > --- On Tue, 8/30/11, jerry <jerry(a)jerrymontgomery.org> wrote: > > From: jerry <jerry(a)jerrymontgomery.org> > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Sail Sizes and Features > To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Date: Tuesday, August 30, 2011, 7:27 AM > > Don MaKibbon retired in the late 80's. He was a great guy, had a > Beechcraft, and I flew to many races with him. Great to show up at the > Orange County airport a nd be in Mexico in 4 hours. > > jerry > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Beowulf" <beowulf2(a)cox.net> > To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2011 6:31 PM > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Sail Sizes and Features > > > My 1981 M15 also came with McKibbin sails with the green sail bags. 30 > years > later they are still in very good condition. Although I consider them very > well made sails, I have not used my boat that much over the years so that > is > more likely why they have held up so well. I have a main, working jib > (100%) > , and a jenny (150%) that sheets outside the shrouds. It is my > understanding > that McKibbin is long gone from the sail making industry. They were in > Newport Beach/Costa Mesa, CA area. > > Mike Hall > M15 #167 > Tustin, CA > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tom Jenkins" <tjenk(a)gte.net> > To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2011 5:26 PM > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Sail Sizes and Features > > > My Nor'Sea came with McKibbens, and they seemed to be holding up fine > when I sold the boat 32 years later. Loved those sail bags. > > Tom > > On Aug 28, 2011, at 3:00 PM, jslubliner(a)aol.com wrote: > >> >> When it was my turn to own the FD Coyote, there were 13 bags of sails on >> board. Most of them were pretty well used, but almost all of them were >> McKibben sails - kelly green sail bags.... >> >> >> John in Tucson >> >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Howard Audsley <haudsley(a)tranquility.net> >> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats >> <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> >> Sent: Sun, Aug 28, 2011 2:47 pm >> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Sail Sizes and Features >> >> >> My 1978 boat also came with Reggie Armstrong sails. Main and working jib. >> Those >> 0 plus year old blown out sails often had her doing 5.7 knots going to >> weather. >> n a puff she would start thinking about jumping up on plane. None of my >> eplacements, including a new main and 110% jib by Kern have ever done as >> well. >> ould love to have a brand new exact replica of old Reggie's work. (Rumor >> has it >> e was a bit of a character). I was told the old sails should be tossed or >> used >> s a drop cloth, but I kept them out of the hope some curious sailmaker >> could >> uplicate the voodoo lurking within. >> >> lso have sails by Pattison and Ullman from San Diego. No complaints with >> those >> t all. >> >> >> >> n Aug 27, 2011, at 10:34 PM, Larry E Yake wrote: >>> The other original sailmaker was Armstrong. His sails were still on my >> '76 model when I bought it in 2000. >> Larry >> >> On Sat, 27 Aug 2011 14:59:59 -0700 Tom Smith <openboatt(a)gmail.com> >> writes: >>> Well, if your sails were sewn by Kern Fergussun (sp?) you can be >>> pretty sure they are original. Jerry used Kern and somebody else I >>> don't remember. t >>> >>> On Sat, Aug 27, 2011 at 12:45 PM, <SALGLESSER(a)aol.com> wrote: >>>> Hi Bert, >>>> >>>> A few of us have had to send our old M15 sails to the maker to get >>> an >>>> accurate cut. If time will permit, I would recommend you doing >>> the same. >>>> Sometimes it saves some back and forth. As Dave mentioned, over >>> the years, >>>> changes happen and it's difficult to tell if your sails are >>> stock, or even >>>> what stock was for your boat. >>>> >>>> sal >>>> >>>> >>>> In a message dated 8/25/2011 9:38:02 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, >>>> bert.hall(a)rogers.com writes: >>>> >>>> Thank you for the guidance,David. Your info regarding having to >>> rig the >>>> jib >>>> sheets outside the shrouds if an over size jib is used is >>> especially >>>> helpful.RTH. >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: W David Scobie >>>> Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2011 6:45 PM >>>> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats >>>> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Sail Sizes and Features >>>> >>>> M15 sail dimensions here - >>>> >>>> http://www.msog.org/specs/m15sailmeasure.cfm >>>> >>>> >>>> i suggest you measure your current sail 'just to be sure' that >>> your boat >>>> is >>>> 'standard'. there have been slight changes over the years, and >>> some >>>> owners >>>> make their own modifications. >>>> >>>> discussions of what the dimension letters mean - >>>> >>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sail-plan#Sail-plan_measurements >>>> >>>> >>>> 128% jib and 85% jib refer to the percentage of the fore-triangle >>> (mast / >>>> forestay / deck). 100% would just fill the triangle. >>>> >>>> going much greater than 128% of the M15 jib requires you to run >>> the sheets >>>> >>>> outside of the shrouds. this requires you to put a block on the >>> toe-rail. >>>> sheeting outside the shrouds reduces the M15's ability to point >>> into the >>>> wind. >>>> >>>> when i had a 15 i was tempted to get, but never did get, a >>> 'cruising >>>> spinnaker' to use in reaching and downwind situations ... light >>> winds >>>> being >>>> very common in puget sound during the summer 'sailing' months. >>>> >>>> >>>> :: Dave Scobie >>>> :: former M15 owner - www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred >>>> :: M17 #375 - SWEET PEA >>>> :: Sailing Sage 17 #001 - AIR BORN >>>> :: Sage Marine - www.sagemarine.com >>>> >>>> --- On Thu, 8/25/11, Robert Hall <bert.hall(a)rogers.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hello All, Does anyone have the exact >>>>> dimensions for a M15 mainsail, those required to supply to >>>>> the sailmaker who make the sail? I have the same question >>>>> concerning the jib. Would also welcome comment on features >>>>> necessary and/or useful on a new sail.With regard to the >>>>> jib,is increasing the size a good idea, or do I go with the >>>>> standard? Has anyone experience with using a drum and swivel >>>>> jib furling system on the M15 ? Finally what does the >>>>> term”85% jib “ mean? Thanks. I know the answers are out >>>>> there. RTH. >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> >>> http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats >>>>> >>>>> When posting, remember that there is no privacy on the >>>>> Internet! >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>> http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats >>>> >>>> When posting, remember that there is no privacy on the Internet! >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>> http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats >>>> >>>> When posting, remember that there is no privacy on the >>> Internet! >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>> http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats >>>> >>>> When posting, remember that there is no privacy on the Internet! >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats >>> >>> When posting, remember that there is no privacy on the Internet! >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats >> >> When posting, remember that there is no privacy on the Internet! >> >> ______________________________________________ >> ttp://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats >> When posting, remember that there is no privacy on the Internet! >> >> _______________________________________________ >> http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats >> >> When posting, remember that there is no privacy on the Internet! > > > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > When posting, remember that there is no privacy on the Internet! > > > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > When posting, remember that there is no privacy on the Internet! > > > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > When posting, remember that there is no privacy on the Internet! > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > When posting, remember that there is no privacy on the Internet! > _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats When posting, remember that there is no privacy on the Internet!

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Re: M_Boats: Sail Sizes and Features
by Larry E Yake 07 Sep '11

07 Sep '11

The other original sailmaker was Armstrong. His sails were still on my '76 model when I bought it in 2000. Larry On Sat, 27 Aug 2011 14:59:59 -0700 Tom Smith <openboatt(a)gmail.com> writes: > Well, if your sails were sewn by Kern Fergussun (sp?) you can be > pretty sure they are original. Jerry used Kern and somebody else I > don't remember. t > > On Sat, Aug 27, 2011 at 12:45 PM, <SALGLESSER(a)aol.com> wrote: > > Hi Bert, > > > > A few of us have had to send our old M15 sails to the maker to get > an > > accurate cut. If time will permit, I would recommend you doing > the same. > > Sometimes it saves some back and forth. As Dave mentioned, over > the years, > > changes happen and it's difficult to tell if your sails are > stock, or even > > what stock was for your boat. > > > > sal > > > > > > In a message dated 8/25/2011 9:38:02 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, > > bert.hall(a)rogers.com writes: > > > > Thank you for the guidance,David. Your info regarding having to > rig the > > jib > > sheets outside the shrouds if an over size jib is used is > especially > > helpful.RTH. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: W David Scobie > > Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2011 6:45 PM > > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Sail Sizes and Features > > > > M15 sail dimensions here - > > > > http://www.msog.org/specs/m15sailmeasure.cfm > > > > > > i suggest you measure your current sail 'just to be sure' that > your boat > > is > > 'standard'. there have been slight changes over the years, and > some > > owners > > make their own modifications. > > > > discussions of what the dimension letters mean - > > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sail-plan#Sail-plan_measurements > > > > > > 128% jib and 85% jib refer to the percentage of the fore-triangle > (mast / > > forestay / deck). 100% would just fill the triangle. > > > > going much greater than 128% of the M15 jib requires you to run > the sheets > > > > outside of the shrouds. this requires you to put a block on the > toe-rail. > > sheeting outside the shrouds reduces the M15's ability to point > into the > > wind. > > > > when i had a 15 i was tempted to get, but never did get, a > 'cruising > > spinnaker' to use in reaching and downwind situations ... light > winds > > being > > very common in puget sound during the summer 'sailing' months. > > > > > > :: Dave Scobie > > :: former M15 owner - www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred > > :: M17 #375 - SWEET PEA > > :: Sailing Sage 17 #001 - AIR BORN > > :: Sage Marine - www.sagemarine.com > > > > --- On Thu, 8/25/11, Robert Hall <bert.hall(a)rogers.com> wrote: > > > >> Hello All, Does anyone have the exact > >> dimensions for a M15 mainsail, those required to supply to > >> the sailmaker who make the sail? I have the same question > >> concerning the jib. Would also welcome comment on features > >> necessary and/or useful on a new sail.With regard to the > >> jib,is increasing the size a good idea, or do I go with the > >> standard? Has anyone experience with using a drum and swivel > >> jib furling system on the M15 ? Finally what does the > >> termÂ85% jib Â mean? Thanks. I know the answers are out > >> there. RTH. > >> _______________________________________________ > >> > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > >> > >> When posting, remember that there is no privacy on the > >> Internet! > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > > > When posting, remember that there is no privacy on the Internet! > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > > > When posting, remember that there is no privacy on the > Internet! > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > > > When posting, remember that there is no privacy on the Internet! > > > > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > When posting, remember that there is no privacy on the Internet! > >

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