September 2011 - montgomery_boats - mailman.xmission.com

Re: M_Boats: Snack Tray
by bownez＠juno.com 20 Sep '11

20 Sep '11

Great tip Joe! Don't forget the pickled herring. Bones ____________________________________________________________ Penny Stock Jumping 3000% Sign up to the #1 voted penny stock newsletter for free today! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4e77fa52aae9a5fc9cest01vuc

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Re: M_Boats: Havasu Pocket Cruiser Convention 2012 - Website LIVE
by Nebwest2＠aol.com 19 Sep '11

19 Sep '11

Fantastic Jerry! I will put you down as "attending" with Goshawk. I think a little racing primer for entry level racers would be a great seminar to have for those that want to join in on the FUN races. I'll contact you about that offline. Make sure you"spruce up"! Your Boss....Joshua Colvin from Small Craft Advisor has indicated he's attending as well!!! :-) 5 months out and we are pushing 60 boats/crews signed up so far ( 3 days of sign ups). So.....I think we are a go!! :-) Sean M23 Daunltess M17 FD Sneakers _www.sailhavasu.com_ (http://www.sailhavasu.com/) _www.saildaunltess.com_ (http://www.saildaunltess.com/)

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Re: M_Boats: outboards
by Nebwest2＠aol.com 18 Sep '11

18 Sep '11

My Opinion is....and it is just "my opinion". There is NO definitive answer to this question. There are opinions. For instance, I've had many folks tell me our 9.9hp is way too much and too heavy for Daunltess. Fact of the matter is, that is their opinion which is fine, but let's face it everyone has one. One thing about a larger outboard is that it is a lot easier on the engine itself. Rarely do you call for full power. I guess I am not a purist, but rather more practical. I don't pull the outboard off the transom to get that extra tenth of a knot of speed, and I don't worry about the extra weight back there as long as it's not ridiculous. On "Big D" I have rearranged other stores and equipment on the boat to offset the engine's weight, and yes it's a heavy engine. The downside argument then is that you are promoting hobby horsing by weighting the ends of the boat...maybe....or you are going to break off the transom or delaminate it....maybe.....but I haven't seen that happen if proper backing plates and weight distribution are in place. Maybe it does...again....just my opinion. I CAN tell you this though....like Neil says, a lot depends on the location and conditions in which you sail. I got a good taste of "Holy $hi#!! I am glad I have this power!" motoring through the Samsung Narrows...and also on the way to Catalina Island, when we had to motor the whole way, both ways (ugh!) I was thrilled that the old Yammerhammer was just loping along a less than half throttle for the 6 hours each way. There IS something to be said for going as light and low powered as possible. No argument that if you are looking to derive the absolute top performance under sail, and go absolutely as fast as you can in a sailboat, then a large outboard hanging on the transom is not going to help you at all. But then, if you are looking to go strictly ALL OUT for speed under sail...you probably aren't reading this post because I would expect that you are on the J-boat forum. The market here is Cruiser/Racer...with the emphasis on cruiser. But it all depends on what you are interested in doing. The only person that can give you the definitive "right" answer for you......is you. If that extra horsepower makes you feel more comfortable....go for it. If not, ...don't. I did. And I am happy with my choice for me. I think as long as the majority of the sailing I am doing is cruising type sailing, I would always opt for the option of power at the upper end of the scale for the boat involved. If I was merely motoring in and out of a slip on a local lake all the time, or racing was my top priority....then that'd probably be different. Something to think about. If you and a friend were in your 15 and you each had a gallon of water...would you tell him, "Hey! do not bring that gallon of water to the back of the boat because your gallon, plus my gallon weigh 17lbs together and that will slow us down. If so , you better go light or you are not going to be happy. If you never ever gave that a thought....you won't notice the extra 15-20lbs in the back on the transom. And yes, I know...the weight off the transom has more effect because it is further from the center of the boat.....but still. You gotta evaluate what type of sailing you are doing, the conditions you are doing it in, etc. If your goal is to race the Cruiser Challenge and win....then you might have to consider the lightest motor possible, and even removing it from the transom under sail, because in that scenario, racing has taken precedence over everything else and that's what similar boats are doing to gain even the "slightest" competitive edge. There is no one right answer to the question. and that opinion is worth exactly what you paid for it!!! LOL Sean M23 "Dauntless" M17FD "Sneakers" www.saildauntless.com www.sailhavasu.com

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Re: M_Boats: outboards
by SALGLESSER＠aol.com 17 Sep '11

17 Sep '11

We've had good luck with the Honda 2 HP long shaft on a number of small boats. sal In a message dated 9/16/2011 8:54:49 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, ndorf(a)surfbest.net writes: I think that it really comes down to where you sail most of the time and in what range of conditions as well as personal preference with respect to features. Klaas, In my case, with a Jerry-built M15 from 1985 with a fixed motor mount and a long-shaft Yamaha, my prop has never cavitated in Folsom Lake, Scotts Flat Reservoir, Eagle Lake, Tomales Bay, or calm Delta conditions. But change the venue to some decent sized swells like we had at Cruiser Challenge in Monterey this year, or in the Carquinez Strait off Benicia with some seriously choppy conditions, well, yes even with my long-shaft my prop cavitated from time-to-time. 2 years ago, if I were buying a used boat without a motor or buying a new one and had to choose a motor, without the benefit of personal experience over these 2 years, I probably would have gone for the Honda 2hp with a long shaft (due to fixed motor mount). Now, 2 years later, I'm not so sure. The situation today is that 2 strokes like I have are really not an option, and on a hp-per-pound basis, the 2 strokes do put out more power for their weight. A 4hp 4 stroke that can be purchased today is probably heavier still than my old 4hp 2 stroke, so I might be looking at a 3 1/2 at 41 lbs (although I would be giving up the reverse gear for just fwd and neutral). They have a 2 1/2 but interestingly it's the same weight. That said there are plenty of votes for the air-cooled Honda 2hp ;-) Food for thought, anyway. -Neil _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats When posting, remember that there is no privacy on the Internet!

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Re: M_Boats: outboards
by ndorf＠surfbest.net 17 Sep '11

17 Sep '11

I think that it really comes down to where you sail most of the time and in what range of conditions as well as personal preference with respect to features. Klaas, In my case, with a Jerry-built M15 from 1985 with a fixed motor mount and a long-shaft Yamaha, my prop has never cavitated in Folsom Lake, Scotts Flat Reservoir, Eagle Lake, Tomales Bay, or calm Delta conditions. But change the venue to some decent sized swells like we had at Cruiser Challenge in Monterey this year, or in the Carquinez Strait off Benicia with some seriously choppy conditions, well, yes even with my long-shaft my prop cavitated from time-to-time. 2 years ago, if I were buying a used boat without a motor or buying a new one and had to choose a motor, without the benefit of personal experience over these 2 years, I probably would have gone for the Honda 2hp with a long shaft (due to fixed motor mount). Now, 2 years later, I'm not so sure. The situation today is that 2 strokes like I have are really not an option, and on a hp-per-pound basis, the 2 strokes do put out more power for their weight. A 4hp 4 stroke that can be purchased today is probably heavier still than my old 4hp 2 stroke, so I might be looking at a 3 1/2 at 41 lbs (although I would be giving up the reverse gear for just fwd and neutral). They have a 2 1/2 but interestingly it's the same weight. That said there are plenty of votes for the air-cooled Honda 2hp ;-) Food for thought, anyway. -Neil

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outboards
by Klaas 16 Sep '11

16 Sep '11

I know this must have been covered before but I'm a newbie. I'm planning on getting a 15 monty and I have a 8 hp Yamaha 2 stroke , would this be over kill for a 15ft . Or could I use it as my permanent motor . Cause I really like the motor and it weights about the same as most 4hp 4 strokes Thanks for any feed back Klaas

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Re: M_Boats: outboards
by ndorf＠surfbest.net 16 Sep '11

16 Sep '11

I run with a 1994 Yamaha 4hp 2-stroke; it weighs in at about 43lbs. Only because its what was part of the boat/motor/trailer package that I bought a few years ago from the previous owner and since it runs fine there was no need to drop a grand on a new motor. I think that about half the time it's more hp than I need and I wish I had the lighter weight of the Honda 2hp on my transom. That said, the other half of the time I'm in some part of San Francisco Bay or the Sacramento River delta / Carquinez strait and when having to motor against the currents and also sometimes with a headwind, I am really thankful to have the extra "ooomph" I think 8hp is definitely overkill though. One more thing...I have truly become spoiled to having a forward, neutral, and reverse on the motor. On the Honda 2hp, you have to swivel the thing around 180 degrees to go backward. I have found that having a neutral and reverse is hugely helpful for getting in and out of tight places such as slips in some marinas. Neil Dorf '85 M15 TwoCan Northern California

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Re: M_Boats: lazy jacks on an M 15
by GILASAILR＠aol.com 16 Sep '11

16 Sep '11

....into your pocket on a good day.. GO

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lazy jacks on an M 15
by Flickasf 15 Sep '11

15 Sep '11

I would definitely not put lazy jacks on an M 15. It just complicates things; you should be able to drop the sail without a problem. Bert Felton

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Mainsheet Rigging
by whinkeljr＠cox.net 15 Sep '11

15 Sep '11

Hi, all! Could someone please send me some pics of their mainsheet cleat mounted on the thwart, as the M15's were originally rigged, or at least an accurate description of the tackle used? The previous owner changed the rigging and I want to get it back to the original setup for better control and handling. Unfortunately, I only get more confused looking thru the West Marine catalog at all the blocks, cams and cleats. Also, has anyone rigged up lazy jacks? It's always such a mess in the cockpit when I lower the mainsail! Thanks alot, guys! I want to get "Prelude" looking good for Havasu 2012! Bill Hinkel '87 M15 #398, "Prelude"

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