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M-15's SWEEP THE CRUISER CHALLENGE X!!!
by Blake Reimer 28 Jul '09

28 Jul '09

Late breaking news..... With very pleasant breezes on a typical foggy day in Monterey, Montgomery 15 boats placed First and Second in the small boat division at the Cruiser Challenge X hosted by the Potter Yachters and MPYC. That dirty, rotten braggart, Blake Reimer and IOTA took First Place with two seconds and a first for the 3 race series in a very tough tussle with 'Midget' an M15 owned and deftly handled by defending champion Bob Truman, who took two bullets and a fourth for Second Place honors. Finishing out 7th were M15 owners George and Debbie Morrison who improved considerably between Challenge IX and X. Given that a well sailed M15 will be faster than a well sailed Potter 14, the finish line was a 3-way tussle between IOTA, MIDGET and the JEAN ALDEN, a beautiful, black, 15ft catboat built and skippered by Mike Higgins, who took 3rd for the day. Based on the first two races, Bob clearly had the quicker boat and better handling but faltered in the final race when he chose to start the race with a reefed main in the quickening afternoon breezes. Reimer took note and quickly hanked on his new EP 'storm jib', keeping his main full and that seemed to make the big difference as Mr. Truman dropped back several places to fourth. There was at least one M-17 in the 'big' boat class. 'Six', owned by - and I am embarassed to say how age affects my memory - Whats-his-name. Trading his older M15 for the new red striped beauty, racing for the first time in the new boat he held on for 5th place. What a good time we all had! And Montgomery boats are FUN to race against each other! They are remarkably quick and responsive to tiller and trim adjustments. When I got IOTA upwind in the breeze and dialed in, you could feel her accelerate like a horse turning for home. It's a shame we can't find a way to get a bunch of us together for a shoot out every now and then... It was a really good weekend with the Potters and I really appreciate the effort they made to put it on. Blake Reimer M-15 IOTA

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Repairs to M-15
by Ken Wheeler 28 Jul '09

28 Jul '09

To the Group; I recently bought M15 # 128 which I knew had some damage at the keel/hull connection over the rear keel roller which turns out to be under the aft bulkhead plywood panel. Jerry if you are out there this is the boat we discussed last month that you said you would like to look at. I would be glad to bring to you as soon as I get the hubs I ordered and am mobile. Anyway the gel coat cracking looked pretty minor so I thought I would open it up to see if there was any structural damage to the fiberglass fabric. What I found is that the fiberglass thickness at the hull/keel joint is very thin. It looks like only two glass layers and probably isn't a full 1/8" thick. Needless to say when I removed the damaged fabric I went clear thorough on one side. I first thought that I need to back it up from inside but it is a very hard area to access. Then I thought I could remove the cockpit floor or maybe install a watertight access port in the cockpit floor. But as I gave it more thought I decided that I am concerned about the thin layer of glass in an area that needs strength. I am now thinking of adding a four layer or so fillet along the outside of the keel/hull joint all the way around ( maybe flaring to 10" or so wide on the last cloth layer). I thought I would use epoxy and structural fabric. I think four layers should be enough and then I would finish and flair with Marine Tex for the UV protection and extra strength. I'm not too concerned with aesthetics as the boat is old and has a bunch of dings anyway. I realize this will change the underwater profile a little but it doesn't seem too critical. Has anyone tried such a repair? Is everyone's keel/hull joint this thin? Does my approach seems reasonable? Is four layers of fabric enough? Jerry if you are out there is this a good idea or should I get access to the interior? If this isn't an appropriate subject for the group I can be reached at email wesi(a)comcast.net. As always I appreciate the help I get from other members of this group and am especially glad that we have Jerry and Bob as lurkers. Who would think that you could still get advice from the builder(s) on a 30 year old boat. Thanks, Ken Wheeler M15 # 128.

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Re: M_Boats: sticking centerboard
by Doug Kelch 28 Jul '09

28 Jul '09

That's debris from the cockpit migrating down the cockpit drain into the CB well while the board is up. - acorn shells sticks, beans ect. --- On Tue, 7/28/09, Doug Kelch <doug_kelch(a)yahoo.com> wrote: From: Doug Kelch <doug_kelch(a)yahoo.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: sticking centerboard To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission..com> Date: Tuesday, July 28, 2009, 10:01 AM You can also get a stuck CB from debris --- On Tue, 7/28/09, kdocter(a)bellsouth.net <kdocter(a)bellsouth.net> wrote: From: kdocter(a)bellsouth.net <kdocter(a)bellsouth.net> Subject: Re: M_Boats: sticking centerboard To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Date: Tuesday, July 28, 2009, 9:21 AM If you do locate a M-15 and the centerboard appears to not move, it may not be damage from swelling. Nobody mentioned this yet (but they did two years ago when I got my 15 and I had the same question) but because the clearance is so tight in the CB cavity, if by chance the rope gets down in there, it can jam between the wall and the CB. So don't automatically dismiss a CB not going up and down as swelling. You won't be sorry! Buy it anyway. Or post it here. Someone is always looking for an M boat. Kendall M-15 #164 _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet!

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Re: M_Boats: sticking centerboard
by Doug Kelch 28 Jul '09

28 Jul '09

You can also get a stuck CB from debris --- On Tue, 7/28/09, kdocter(a)bellsouth.net <kdocter(a)bellsouth.net> wrote: From: kdocter(a)bellsouth.net <kdocter(a)bellsouth.net> Subject: Re: M_Boats: sticking centerboard To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Date: Tuesday, July 28, 2009, 9:21 AM If you do locate a M-15 and the centerboard appears to not move, it may not be damage from swelling. Nobody mentioned this yet (but they did two years ago when I got my 15 and I had the same question) but because the clearance is so tight in the CB cavity, if by chance the rope gets down in there, it can jam between the wall and the CB. So don't automatically dismiss a CB not going up and down as swelling. You won't be sorry! Buy it anyway. Or post it here. Someone is always looking for an M boat. Kendall M-15 #164 _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet!

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Re: M_Boats: sticking centerboard
by kdocter＠bellsouth.net 28 Jul '09

28 Jul '09

If you do locate a M-15 and the centerboard appears to not move, it may not be damage from swelling. Nobody mentioned this yet (but they did two years ago when I got my 15 and I had the same question) but because the clearance is so tight in the CB cavity, if by chance the rope gets down in there, it can jam between the wall and the CB. So don't automatically dismiss a CB not going up and down as swelling. You won't be sorry! Buy it anyway. Or post it here. Someone is always looking for an M boat. Kendall M-15 #164

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Re: M_Boats: Saililing Yellowstone Lake and Jackson Lake Wyoming
by GILASAILR＠aol.com 28 Jul '09

28 Jul '09

Bill, Many years ago (1966) my father thought it would be cool to sail our Super Satellite at Yellowstone Lake, a very tender non self-rescuing boat - on a very ,very windy lake that is large and capable of big waves. One of the most beautiful places on earth - so with that in mind - be careful, the water is cold - great fishing, and much cooler than the Sticker Patch (115 F tomorrow) ! Just be prepared for potentially big breeze, and if memory serves me, short steep waves of decent size for a lake. We didn't venture out onto Jackson after the Yellowstone experience. I think you get a special 'badge' for sailing a small boat on Yellowstone Lake. Give Em Hell! Take Care, Have Fun, Go sailing. GO In a message dated 7/27/2009 8:45:29 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, whkaiser(a)gmail.com writes: Who has experience sailing these lakes We are looking to drag our M15 from Phoenix to cooler climes . Got the boating regs online for Yellowstone Lake looks like one permit after another. Any help would be appreciated. Bill and Dawn "Desert Dawn" _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet! **************An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222377107x1201454434/aol?redir=htt… yExcfooterNO62)

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keel on the 15th
by flickasf＠aol.com 28 Jul '09

28 Jul '09

I have a 1986 M 15 with the iron ballast. ?To prevent problems, I sealed the bottom of the keel where the center board slot is with epiglass and followed with water tight. ?I then put a barrier on the centerboard and keel and then coated them with VC performance epoxy. ?I dropped the board in order to do it. ?I did as much of the inside of the slot as possible. ?Be careful and make sure the board will still go into the slot. My previously owned M 15, a 1983, had a barrier coat without the board being removed. ?It spent a week or two in salt water and never had any problems. Bert M 15, Zephyr

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San Juan pix parts 1 & 2
by Gary M Hyde 28 Jul '09

28 Jul '09

San Juan cruisers: Here finally are the sites where my 2009 San Juan trip pix are. Enjoy! I couldn't get the email to go thru to Randy Graves. 2nd set: http://gallery.me.com/gmhyde1#100437 The link to the first set is : http://gallery.me.com/gmhyde1#100394 --Gary ☺ ⎈

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Re: M_Boats: M-15's SWEEP THE CRUISER CHALLENGE X!!!
by GILASAILR＠aol.com 27 Jul '09

27 Jul '09

Congratulations to the M-Boaters and all the participants! You did the marque proud !! GO In a message dated 7/27/2009 3:18:44 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, blkreimer(a)yahoo.com writes: Late breaking news..... With very pleasant breezes on a typical foggy day in Monterey, Montgomery 15 boats placed First and Second in the small boat division at the Cruiser Challenge X hosted by the Potter Yachters and MPYC. That dirty, rotten braggart, Blake Reimer and IOTA took First Place with two seconds and a first for the 3 race series in a very tough tussle with 'Midget' an M15 owned and deftly handled by defending champion Bob Truman, who took two bullets and a fourth for Second Place honors. Finishing out 7th were M15 owners George and Debbie Morrison who improved considerably between Challenge IX and X. Given that a well sailed M15 will be faster than a well sailed Potter 14, the finish line was a 3-way tussle between IOTA, MIDGET and the JEAN ALDEN, a beautiful, black, 15ft catboat built and skippered by Mike Higgins, who took 3rd for the day. Based on the first two races, Bob clearly had the quicker boat and better handling but faltered in the final race when he chose to start the race with a reefed main in the quickening afternoon breezes. Reimer took note and quickly hanked on his new EP 'storm jib', keeping his main full and that seemed to make the big difference as Mr. Truman dropped back several places to fourth. There was at least one M-17 in the 'big' boat class. 'Six', owned by - and I am embarassed to say how age affects my memory - Whats-his-name. Trading his older M15 for the new red striped beauty, racing for the first time in the new boat he held on for 5th place. What a good time we all had! And Montgomery boats are FUN to race against each other! They are remarkably quick and responsive to tiller and trim adjustments. When I got IOTA upwind in the breeze and dialed in, you could feel her accelerate like a horse turning for home. It's a shame we can't find a way to get a bunch of us together for a shoot out every now and then... It was a really good weekend with the Potters and I really appreciate the effort they made to put it on. Blake Reimer M-15 IOTA _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet! **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x12 21823322x1201398723/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.as… =JulystepsfooterNO115)

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Re: M_Boats: MOB
by Doug Kelch 27 Jul '09

27 Jul '09

I think what you are descibing is the Quick stop method - you quickly stop moveing away from the Crew Overboard. http://www.videos.sailingcourse.com/quick_stop.htm Thanks Doug --- On Mon, 7/27/09, John and DesAnne Hippe <jdhippe(a)gmail.com> wrote: From: John and DesAnne Hippe <jdhippe(a)gmail.com> Subject: M_Boats: MOB To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Date: Monday, July 27, 2009, 2:42 PM Hello All, Tom's sport he has with his kids -- pulling them behind and then doing MOB drills sounds like a lot of fun and had me thinking about my current MOB practice. I was taught to fall off on a broad reach, go out for a few boat lengths (can't remember off hand how far but can visualize it when actually doing it), jibe and then come back up on a close haul to the individual. While this works, it does seem to put a fair amount of distance between individual in the water an the boat. Since I am essentially single-handing with two small children I wanted to see if there are faster ways to respond given the M-15 nimbleness. Yesterday I was practicing in light air with little sea running. From a close hauled course,I was able to drop an object overboard and then do a very quick 360 by tacking through the wind, falling off, jibing and coming right up on the object. This worked quite well. Don't know if it would work in higher wind or with more seas running... I know brighter minds have looked into this and am wondering what you all thought? Respectfully, John M-15 Jester _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet!

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