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Montgomery Sailboats are in high demand
by Bob Eeg 15 Jul '13

15 Jul '13

And are built with top-notch quality. There is nothing in the market place faster, better built and as good looking as a Montgomery Sailboat. I don't run a factory; I run a very small boatshop. I built to order on a boat by boat basis. I do a lot of custom work when asked. Bronze ports, Stainless ports, extra ballast, Custom electrical systems, Idasailor rudders, anchoring packages..etc. This work is labor intensive. Quality takes time. I have 3 employees. These people are highly experienced in Laminating, construction, assembly and finish. Woodworking and other skills result in a absolutely beautiful sailing vessel. I use the best sails the best rigging, the best custom stainless fasteners..and yes....(laughing) the best cushions. This last 15 months have been EXTREMELY busy; hiring new help was impossible because all the good people are gone. We had a tremendous BACKLOG and we caught a break only when Pacific Seacraft employees (let go) began filtering into our shop looking for work. We did add some additional crew in the Laminating Shop and because of that we are caught up. Pacific Seacrafts Bankruptcy was good for us. Bad for the dozens of good people who are out of work. The FIRST question of anyone buying a new boat should be 'How is the construction quality'? First and foremost that is the most important issue. I can say that everyone has experienced and will continue to experience a BACKLOG of orders; especially if the boat is as popular as a Montgomery Sailboat. When we had an 8 month backlog and I actually turned down 2 M_17 orders so we could catch our breath. It is impossible to work any harder or any faster. Now that were caught up we can get back to our normal 50-70 days (depending on model and options). Also custom work really adds to the production time. One beautiful M_17 we did we cut the V berth out of and installed an oval bulkhead, custom shelves and inline potti area; with 4 bronze ports she is an amazing boat, but custom work takes time. Expect delays if you go radical on the interior. (I think BONES has a photo of that one...) We are really one of the only builders that entertain changes and options to satisfy the customer. This new Passagemaker M_17 were building (and installing a windvane on tomorrow) is going to be amazing. Other actual boat factories that produce boats for DEALERS (that Tod mentioned) like Precision and Compac are built on Factory Production lines for a large Dealership Network. Dealers who have these boats in stock can supply them right away. But ask for major changes on a future production boat and the wait will be many months. International Marine builds boats faster with more employees but those boats are piss poor sailers (upwind) and many arrive with a list of problems that are pathetic. That's not me. So try not to focus on the TIME factor. We can only go so fast. Hiring additional help is not an option because by the time you train someone the season gets slow and you have to lay them off. I can't do that. I have people that have been with me for 20 years; I keep us small and efficient on purpose. So be surprised if we hit the delivery time; which we do quite often. Be a little disappointed when we miss it; but get over it when you see your boat. Dozens of you know me; you've arrived to see me rig your boat, pack you up and shake your hand. (Heck...Gary Hyde even brought me a bottle of wine..!..Thanks Gary.!) One man bought a new M_15 from us and a new M_17 a year later.! The C word...Cushions. I inspect everyboat before it leaves for home. Scott's boat was leaving for the Bay Area early Friday morning; I was at the boatshop at 10:30 PM Thursday night, sleeping at the picnic table just inside the door, waiting for the cushion guy to arrive with the (late) promised cushions. He drove up, woke me up and I watched as he stacked them on the deck. We left. My man arrived at 3AM and hooked up the boat and slid the cushions inside the boat. I should have loaded them myself then I would have noticed they looked good but didn't have the required 'Squeeze' factor. Let's move on, shall we....? Fair winds Bob Eeg (949) 489-8227 Boat Builder

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Re: M_Boats: racing my M23
by Larry E Yake 02 Apr '11

02 Apr '11

>So when is the next San Juan trip? Annual? Bi-annual? >Jeff Probably semi-annual. Larry

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M15 for sale in Nor Cal on Craigslist
by George Morrison 26 Apr '10

26 Apr '10

I already own a M15, so I can't use another. But this sure sounds like a good deal/quick sale! Plus it's very rare to see any M-Boats for sale! http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/boa/1042037932.html George "M" M15 319 San Jose, CA

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Re: M_Boats: Fwd: research
by bownez＠juno.com 29 Oct '09

29 Oct '09

My Dear Jerry, I have been following this wonderful discussion regarding how to best spend your valuable time designing another M-Boat. All the suggestions are very good, but as we all know, sailboats are a compromise. Having sailed a 15, 17, and a 23, all have been pleasing. If I could add one feature to my older 1976 M17, it would be the wet locker. If I could suggest one improvement for the M23, it would be a more robust gooseneck. Raising the mast using the bridal jig distorts and twists the gooseneck rather badly. Mine is hanging in there, Theo had to replace his. I'm sure whatever you design, it will be a sweetheart of a looker and sailer. You have the touch. Later, Bones ____________________________________________________________ Click here to find the right business program for you and take your career to the next level. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTESUSrVjCI7Wqa7cvYXOf2Zj7…

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More newbie questions...Cruising storage solutions?
by Bill Wickett 04 Aug '09

04 Aug '09

Just 2 adults using an M17. Lots of different totes and open baskets out there to slide under the cockpit or down the quarter berth. (wow, that starboard one goes waaay back!). We looked at some perforated plastic baskets tonight that would push on down either quarter berth. For the starboard side would have to link them together to retrieve the back 2 easily. These same also work under the cockpit as well. We thought that having lids might be a hassle removing them in the relatively confined space of the seating area. We used dry bags on our previous open boat. Often were diving deep into them to come up with the desired item, or emptying the bag completely. What have you found works well for you? Rigid totes or flexible bags? With the an outboard motor mounted on port side, and the deep cockpit locker there as well, do you find you are weighted more to port side? We have a knock off claw with 10 feet of chain. I feel that an anchor should be readily available at all times, so the deep port locker in a bucket is a logical place, except for the weight distribution issue. I believe the previous owner kept it in a bag below the cockpit, on starboard side. Only accessible by going below to get it out. Where do you store your primary anchor and rode? Thanks for any insights on these questions. Bill Wickett M17 #622...still not named!!

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Havasu Pocket Cruiser's Poker Run 2010???
by Nebwest2＠aol.com 02 Aug '09

02 Aug '09

Wow, August is already upon us! That's hard to believe but it is. Time to start planning for the 2010 Havasu Pocket Cruiser's Poker Run (if we are gonna do it again). It's up to you guys. This is a friends and family oreinted sailing get together. Pampered winter sailing , if you will. Great for bringing along the "admiral". Sleep in warm hotel beds. No need to cook onboard or deal with anchoring out. Daysailing at it's best. Nothing hard core here. Just a few days of sailboats and friendships. Escape the winter blues! For the last two years we have hosted this trailer sailor event here in Lake Havasu City, AZ during the month of February in order to get folks a winter time sailing "FIX". I think the first year we had something along the likes of 13 boats participate and last year the number shot up to 20. The event is 3 to 4 days long. It usually includes about a 15 mile long(each way) sail down the length of Lake Havasu. Along the way crews participated in a Poker Run style event that prizes were awarded for at the Saturday night group dinner. Last year's sponsors included Small Craft Advisor Magazine, Idasailor, Cruising Supplies.com, and Montgomery Boats. You can check out a photo and video journal of the whole 2009 event at: _http://havasumontgomerys.piczo.com/?g=42325893&cr=1_ (http://havasumontgomerys.piczo.com/?g=42325893&cr=1) So, the question is....Is there interest in doing it again and would you be willing to make the trip to Lake Havasu City, AZ to attend? Please let me know, as if we are going to do it again, the prepwork needs to start pretty soon. I would love to host the event again and grow it even more. I think we can probably get even more sponsor's interested if enough interest is shown. I think that this year we would probably base the entire event out of Lake Havasu City rather then overnighting at Havasu Springs down south on the second night. That way we could work a package deal at one of the hotels on the water to include your room, meals, and maybe even a slip if we used the London Bridge Resort on the Channel under the London Bridge. If you are willing to come, I'm willing to put it together. So...what do you guys say? **************A bad credit score is 600 & below. Checking won't affect your score. See now! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222846709x1201493018/aol?redir=htt… D=62&bcd=JulyBadfooterNO62)

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M15 storm jib for sale
by Doug Kelch 02 Aug '09

02 Aug '09

My old storm jib doesn't go with my new gaff rig so $100 takes it. It was made locally by Potomac sailmakers, 5 oz cloth, flat cut, probably about 60 or 70 % of a working jib. Thanks Doug Kelch M15G #310 " Seas the Day"

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Re: M_Boats: MOB plus - lifesling
by GILASAILR＠aol.com 01 Aug '09

01 Aug '09

I believe you would be hard pressed to 'hoist' a MOB into either a M-15 or M-17 with the boom - May be of assistance, and 1/2 way up is better than in the water! Would probably precipitate an even larger emergency in the form of capsize or 'self-induced recovery aided knockdown'- Make sure the gooseneck is secured so as to not slide up in the sail track at the mast when using you boom as a gin pole/crane. My suggestion for LS use is to get person back TO the boat and aid in recovery onto the boat - --My BoomKicker won't support me on the end of my boom! Heck my Boom won't support me if it was tied at the outboard end and the masthead with 3/8" line. Lifesling has more uses than hoisting. NFIW. Wear your lifejacket and go sailing! (PFD) LOL Take Care,Have Fun, Go Sailing. GO In a message dated 7/31/2009 11:06:17 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time, wdscobie(a)yahoo.com writes: has anyone rigged a lifesling (LS) on an M15 or M17? to hoist MOB, if my memory serves from the LS my folks had on the choey lee 32', requires hooking to the boom-end. can the M15/17 boom and/or gooseneck take this weight? dave scobie M17 #375 - SWEET PEA visit SWEET PEA's www-site - http://www.m17-375.webs.com --- On Fri, 7/31/09, GILASAILR(a)aol.com <GILASAILR(a)aol.com> wrote: LifeSling is a good item GO _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet! **************An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222846709x1201493018/aol?redir=htt… yExcfooterNO62)

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Re: M_Boats: Isle Royale trip slideshow
by SALGLESSER＠aol.com 01 Aug '09

01 Aug '09

Thanx much. Looks like a good time. sal In a message dated 7/30/2009 9:45:54 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time, gordon(a)financialwriting.net writes: Here are some photos of Bones' and my recent cruise to Isle Royale. A great destination! http://s476.photobucket.com/albums/rr123/theyakker/Isle%20Royale%20Cruise/?a lbumview=slideshow Gordon M-17 "Sapphire" Milwaukee _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet! **************Hot Deals at Dell on Popular Laptops perfect for Back to School (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1223105306x1201716871/aol?redir=htt…)

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Re: M_Boats: MOB plus
by GILASAILR＠aol.com 01 Aug '09

01 Aug '09

Chris, This is one of those things you never think about until --- In 1977 my ex and myself were sailing a Coronado 15 on Lake Havasu in February (long before the M-23 guru lived there), we capsized in 25 kts and VERY cold (maybe 55 degree F water - the Colorado River runs about 52-55 degrees year-round) I was barely able to recover myself to the boat and I could not get her in the boat at all so I left her to ---- actually the trapeze diaper hook was getting caught on the transom rubrail - figgered that out and got her into the boat. It was all I could do to move my extremeties when I hit that water - lifejackets were mandatory per the RC and it was colair and water. I have NEVER felt so helpless as at that moment! On any boat that has freeboard of more than ten inches we should probably have a permanent ladder installed on the transom - if the water is cold fold, it 1/2 way down to enable reaching it would be a good idea. My Railmakers C-22 pivoting ladder is securely stored in my garage! I am NOT prepared although if I sail in cold water I trail a warp with knots to assist recovery. (practice what I preach heh?) Strong - non pinching - permanent mount ladders are an important safety feature - no one wants to loose some one due to poor advance planning - A poor fitting folding ladder belongs in only one place - recycling bin -fixed or proper folding STEEL ladder should be a part of safety equipment. PS every single person in my family has come close to drowning while sailing a small boat. My father never sailed an unballasted boat after his episode. Please WEAR life jackets, practice MOB drills and recovery - LifeSling is a good item - do not stow these items below or in lockers - I have taught probably 800 to 1000 people how to sail and this is my #1 concern - It ain't cool to not come back to tell about the sailing adventure you had. My ex-wife almost drowned twice on dinghies - she was tenacious! (TIC) Safety First - remember 'This is an exhibition - NOT a competition - wear your safety equipment' and do NOT stow these items - It ain't cool looking to have a ladder and a lifesling hanging off the stern of your boat - but they sure come in handy - The number one responsibility of the "Skipper/Operator/Owner - the safety of your crew and guests. All are held to this responsibility. Sorry for the rant - must be my "daddy" instincts rearing their head - Check USSailing Instructor info for MOB and I believe the use of Lifesling. Now back to fun stuff. Chris - this is not directed AT you but for all of us (I need to install that ladder don't I !) Take Care,Have Fun, Sail Safely GO end of rant - carry on. In a message dated 7/31/2009 9:54:08 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time, chris.r.smith(a)gmail.com writes: A ladder. I had a rough experience a couple weeks ago with just this case. I was the one who had the 'death roll' and all 4 of us went overboard. The first 2 got in fine with the ladder (once I hopped back in and pulled it out of the cabin), but the last person was a little bigger and had a rough time. We ended up anchoring, pulling the rudder and used a combo of the ladder and 2 people pulling. it was difficult but we all made it back to the dock. ...it was a good thing the water was warm! The biggest problem that we ran into was that the ladder was not well fitted to the boat and kept slipping off. That prompted me to start thinking about building a ladder to fit the over the starboard side of the transom (getting up on the side is not doable for most people and would be a pain to try to fit a ladder to). Another boat project! Chris M15 Persephone On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 11:43 AM, <larrypegg(a)aol.com> wrote: > > I don't have a problem getting to an object but how would you get an adult > on board if they could not help or provide little help? > > > > > > At your service > > Larry Pegg > Pilgrim M-17 #55 > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: John and DesAnne Hippe <jdhippe(a)gmail.com> > To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > Sent: Mon, Jul 27, 2009 12:42 pm > Subject: M_Boats: MOB > > > > > > > > > > > Hello All, > > Tom's sport he has with his kids -- pulling them behind and then doing MOB > drills sounds like a lot of fun and had me thinking about my current MOB > practice. I was taught to fall off on a broad reach, go out for a few boat > lengths (can't remember off hand how far but can visualize it when actually > doing it), jibe and then come back up on a close haul to the individual. > > While this works, it does seem to put a fair amount of distance between > individual in the water an the boat. Since I am essentially single-handing > with two small children I wanted to see if there are faster ways to respond > given the M-15 nimbleness. Yesterday I was practicing in light air with > little sea running. From a close hauled course,I was able to drop an > object > overboard and then do a very quick 360 by tacking through the wind, falling > off, jibing and coming right up on the object. This worked quite well. > Don't know if it would work in higher wind or with more seas running... > > I know brighter minds have looked into this and am wondering what you all > thought? > > Respectfully, > > John > M-15 Jester > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet! > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet! > -- Chris _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet! **************An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222846709x1201493018/aol?redir=htt… yExcfooterNO62)

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