June 2008 - montgomery_boats - mailman.xmission.com

Manual bilge pump question
by Bruce Ward 20 Jun '08

20 Jun '08

Thanks for the feedback Jerry and Gary. I'll install my new Whale urchin style clone bilge pump this weekend.

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Re: M_Boats: M15 question
by Richard Cottrell 20 Jun '08

20 Jun '08

Herb, I would not sail an M15 on San Francisco Bay without the stern pulpit! I also have lifelines and stanchions - not as important but I like having them. I had a boom tent made which fits nicely over the lifelines, stanchions and stern pulpit - thank you Bert Felton. You can see it on one of the sites. I now mostly sail on Lake Don Pedro. I love to swim while at anchor or having the boat pull me while under sail. The stern pulpit provides handles to grab onto while climbing and descending the swim ladder. I also use the stern pulpit to secure portable anchor light and fishing pole holder. Would be great for attaching small BBQ, as well. The stern pulpit does not bother me when starting the motor or refilling gas tank but you do have to get use to it being there. In my opinion the stern pulpit was a terrific investment. Thank you Bert and Kokopelli. Rich Cottrell M15 Really --- On Fri, 6/20/08, Herb Stokes <hms152(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > From: Herb Stokes <hms152(a)yahoo.com> > Subject: M15 question > To: rc2222(a)pacbell.net > Date: Friday, June 20, 2008, 9:31 AM > Hello, > I'm about to buy an M15 that has the stern pulpit as > yours does. Just curious as to your feelings about having > it there. Do you find it of any use, or is it in your way > with access to the outboard, etc? If you started from > scratch, would you have one installed? I appreciate any > information you might could give me. > Thanks...................Herb Stokes > hms152(a)yahoo.com

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M15 transom
by Robert Becker 20 Jun '08

20 Jun '08

I just installed a Westline ladder on my 1982 M15 #208, and when I drilled the mounting holes in the transom it seemed like there was no plywood transom support, just what looked to be balsa between two layers of fiber glass. Now I am wondering if the transom is strong enough to support a boarding ladder. I know other older M15's have ladders, but not if they were installed on similarly constructed transoms. Looking back under the cockpit with the foam flotation blocks removed, I can see thick panels where the motor mount, rudder, and boarding ladder would go. Using calipers and my inspection port, I know these are about 1 inch thick. The surrounding material is about 1/8 inch thick, which must be just fiberglass. So, Jerry or Bob, can you tell me how the transom was made, and is it strong enough for a ladder? I installed a backup plate of 1/2 inch plywood. Thanks, Bob Becker 1982 M15 #208 San Francisco area

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Manual bilge pump question
by Bruce Ward 20 Jun '08

20 Jun '08

I scanned back quite a-ways on old threads and found little information regarding the use of manual bilge pumps or their placement on an M17. My 1974 boat has never had one and now I figure to place a manual pump for that inevitable rogue wave or potential cockpit drain failure. We had them on our diesel inboard boats. Any experiences or comments in this regard would be appreciated, bruce.

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Re: M_Boats: resource
by Mark Escovedo 20 Jun '08

20 Jun '08

Hello, I was wondering if anyone has asked this question directly to Jerry Montgomery? He seems like the guy who would have an answer. I picked his brain over and over again when I was refitting my flushdeck. by the way Mr. Montgomery still provides a standing rigging service for these boats. He made my new set of wires for AMY And if you have a scale line drawing of your boat (Also available from Jerry) you can take rough measurements from this reference as well. I was amazed to find he still had a line drawing of the Flushdeck available, Hell they only made nine of the actual boats, man am I grateful to have that drawing. We have a GREAT resource here. Fair Winds Mark Escovedo M17 Flushdeck #103 "AMY" ----- Original Message ---- From: robbin roddewig <robbin.roddewig(a)verizon.net> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2008 4:34:49 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Level Reference Tim, I also have new standing rigging which is not right and have to have a new backstay made (old rigging was lost when the new stuff was made), so I need to measure with the mast raked correctly. I am going to use the halyard with the boat floating and me not on it to get the correct mast position. I cannot think of another way to do it. I will try and see if the benches or cockpit floor register level with the boat floating. Then if they are they could be used as a reference on the trailer. Robbin Tim Diebert wrote: > Right....sorry......I actually was wondering if the cockpit sole...the berth > decks ....the cockpit benches....or whatever is a level reference. > That way I can easily level the boat fore and aft on the trailer and try and > have a reference starting point for mast rake. Rather than using a painted > on water line that has been tweaked by PO's. > I have new standing rig on the boat and am playing with rake. I reckon I > have it too far right now but would like to try the recommended point. If > the boat is not level....using the halyard method isn't going to work. > Unless I am missing something.....then that would make an even dozen for > today. > Tim > > -----Original Message----- > From: montgomery_boats-bounces(a)mailman.xmission.com > [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Tom > Jenkins > Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2008 8:38 AM > To: 'For and about Montgomery Sailboats' > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Level Reference > > Tim, > I don't know what has been said by others, but you might borrow one of those > inexpensive infrared thermometers and find where the temp changes on the > hull. I do it to find the level of heating oil in my tank, but have not > tried it myself on less conductive fiberglass. > > Tom Jenkins > M17 Scintilla > > -----Original Message----- > From: montgomery_boats-bounces(a)mailman.xmission.com > [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Tim > Diebert > Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2008 5:29 AM > To: 'For and about Montgomery Sailboats' > Subject: M_Boats: Level Reference > > I know it was asked but did not see a reply. > Is there an area of the 17 hull that is a known level reference relative to > water line? > > I don't always read all the emails......so if anyone got this one some help > would be grand. > > Tim and PUFF > > > > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > > > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > > _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats

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Oar mount pictures ?
by Mark Escovedo 20 Jun '08

20 Jun '08

Hello, I cleaned out my email list yesturday and accidentally deleted an email from a lister that wanted to see pictures of the oar mounts on my boat. I snapped some shots of the mounts after doing a little sailing today, So whoever asked for them, email me back and I'll send them to you. Sorry I can't remember who, I had one of those senior moments, DOOOOOH!! Mark Escovedo M17 Flushdeck #103 "AMY"

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Re: M_Boats: Oar mount pictures ?
by JAUICEO＠aol.com 20 Jun '08

20 Jun '08

Mark, I saw your e-mail, and know how you feel about loosing things. I have original informational literature on the M-17 Flush Deck from way back; and even some pictues of your Amy. If you ever want to sell her, please let me know. I talked to Jerry years ago and even tried to visit his plant when I was in Costa Mesa on business, but was too late to get one new, Ha. You are one of the Lucky ones. John O. In a message dated 6/19/2008 11:31:45 P.M. Central Daylight Time, m17flushdeck_amy(a)yahoo.com writes: Hello, I cleaned out my email list yesturday and accidentally deleted an email from a lister that wanted to see pictures of the oar mounts on my boat. I snapped some shots of the mounts after doing a little sailing today, So whoever asked for them, email me back and I'll send them to you. Sorry I can't remember who, I had one of those senior moments, DOOOOOH!! Mark Escovedo M17 Flushdeck #103 "AMY" _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats **************Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007)

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Re: M_Boats: Manual bilge pump question
by GILASAILR＠aol.com 20 Jun '08

20 Jun '08

Bruce, I think the usual installation is located in the cockpit area such that one may continue to steer the boat (near the normal helmsman's position) - in the vertical side of the seat base with clearance for the handle taken into consideration. I do not have one mounted in my 17 as of yet, (planned), but have had them in previous owned boats and most OEM installs I recall were along those lines. Maybe a quick check of Mate's fine works would elaborate/correct my viewpoint. Can't think which side of the cockpit is appropriate ('Tryin' to think and nothin' happens') I have used a pump mounted to a board (6''x24") with hoses but that was for moving from boat to boat and 'service duty' type work around the marina. GO. LB/GF! M-17 # 316a 'that ain't bad gelcoat -it's "patina"! Team Geezer Racing.....Old and in the Way Arizona Sailing Squadron **************Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007)

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manual bilge pump again
by Bruce Ward 20 Jun '08

20 Jun '08

I neglected to mention that I am speaking to the use of a fixed permanent mounted pump such as a Whale Gusher or urchin style with removable handle.

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Re: M_Boats: rudder question
by JDavies104＠aol.com 20 Jun '08

20 Jun '08

I've owned M-17 #633 for almost a year, and have wondered from time to time what the eye-strap and cam cleat on the top of the transom were originally intended for! I am using the eye-strap as the lower anchor of a backstay tensioner, and the cam cleat to make fast a line holding the swim ladder, but Bob's revelation makes me now want to try using my fixed rudder, (which has been stored in my garage). The Ida Sailor kick-up I have been using is great for responding to slight touches on the bottom or floating debris (I sail the Potomac near DC, and that's not so unusual), but is a bear to get back down in a good breeze without heaving to. That's OK when cruising, not so good when racing. Thanks, Bob, for solving the mystery of the extra hardware! Since I think the eye-strap will do double duty for the rudder lift line and the backstay tensioner, I'll give the fixed rudder a try! Rick M-17 #633 Lynne L ************** Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007)

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