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Ventilation
by Phil & Frances 27 Jun '08

27 Jun '08

Today it was 92 with high humidity. That is not uncommon here (in KY). Just adding info to the discussion I started about ventilating an M 15's cabin. Phil

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Ventilation
by Phil & Frances 27 Jun '08

27 Jun '08

No I have not tried stern anchoring. Another good idea before I start poking holes in the cabin. And the reference to pg. 545 of West. I missed that looking through the catalogue. Phil

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ventilation
by Phil & Frances 27 Jun '08

27 Jun '08

I have a deck plate starboard side of the cockpit wall just forward of the transom. It would help to open it at night, but I failed to see that. I am really not dumb, just crazy. A couple more, each side of the forward face of the cabin could catch some moving air and let it out at the back. There would still be some difficulty since typically the wind stops at night here and picks up during the day when I least need it for ventilation. My deck plate has never given away and it has never leaked. Phil

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Re: M_Boats: Ventilation
by Paint4Real＠aol.com 27 Jun '08

27 Jun '08

I put a low-profile, PVC vent in the forepeak of my 15, immediately forward of the cabin house. Went with the red-painted inside surface. Looks cool. Anytime the boat's moving, there's air moving through the cabin, airing it out at the very least. It can be removed and replaced with a deck cap, to keep the wharf rats out when left in a slip. I'd like to just screen it and let air circulate all the time, but right now I have rotted cushion covers from water leaks around through-top wiring (masthead light) -- albeit after 24 years -- so I use the cap. Still, I think that had the cabin ventilation been better, I might not be gouging out gelcoat blisters this month, instead of sailing. For reference, it's on p. 545 of the 2008 West Marine catalog. Because it's flexible, you're not going to tear sails or toenails on it. Of course, it's not a powered vent, so if there's no air moving outside the boat, there's none on the move inside, so no score. The fact remains, though, the 15's forepeak is a solar still if the sun's out, the air smelling of fiberglass and bilge compost. Something to keep in mind if you're sailing with kids who want to hang out down below. ************** Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007)

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SF Bay Sail, and Cockpit drain config.
by Michael Ray Wisely 27 Jun '08

27 Jun '08

Hey Jim, I'm sailing in my front yard right now. I hope to get "Meg" ready by late July, early August. I'm going to pull the CB and I'm replacing all the exterior teak. Just got back from buying the wood...Teak is at a whopping $26 a board ft. yikes...decided to bite the bullet, so I guess I can't complain. I want to do the Angel Island overnight as one of my first sails when we are shipshape, but I will get up with you when we get her ready. Now: Here's a question for everyone out there. My M-17 #383 has the drains that are attached to hoses and exit thru and under the waterline. This concerned me when I first saw it, but they have appeared to work fine in the relatively calm conditions that I have been in so far. Any reason to think it is not good the way it is? I read a lot of info on changing/re-working cockpit drains. Is there any reason to? Any thoughts? Wish I was sailing right now. Soon. Michael Ray M17 The "MEG" SF Bay

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Catalina trip and Foggy weather.
by Nebwest2＠aol.com 26 Jun '08

26 Jun '08

Uh....well as we drove through Parker, Az (30 miles south of Lake Havasu) on the way home from the trip, Gary Hyde saw an electronic sign that reported the outside temperature (to us inside the air conditioned cab of the pickup).....It read......121.8 degrees! Needless to say, Gary gladly got on the Alaska Airlines plane yesterday and is back in cool Pullman, Washington. I don't think we'll be seeing him back here in Havasu in June! :-) Weird wind phenomena at Two Harbors....the Isthmus forms a venturi....multiple times we headed out to sail in the nice 10-15 knot breeze only to find that about a quarter mile away offshore it was dead calm. Pull down the sails and return to the mooring at the Isthmus and it'd be blowing 10-15....oh well, kept the mooring very comfortable. Would have been good dinghy sailing around the harbor. Can't have everything I guess! Sean M23 Dauntless **************Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007)

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Catalina trip
by Nebwest2＠aol.com 26 Jun '08

26 Jun '08

Just returned home from a trip to Catalina Island, about 26 miles out of LA Harbor. I was accompanied by Gary Hyde....(and Jo took the easy way over on the ferry boat and met us over there). Believe it or not, we were completely skunked on wind over 4 days! UGH! But, it was beautiful over there, a great break from the desert heat. We joined the Socal Potters for the trip. There were two other Monty's that went as well. The big word for this trip.......FOG........22 miles of it to be exact! Thick fog.......a little creepy crossing the shipping lanes! No....make that a lot creepy. As a group we had a few "adventures" which I'll elaborate on later on my web site. Should get to work on that in the next few days with a photo/video journal of the trip. Bob Eeg surprised us with a visit at our slip the day before we departed and brought us a bottle of wine. Thanks Bob!!! He even gave us a ride over to the grocery store which saved us a lot of walking while provisioning. Gary, Jo and I enjoyed visiting with him for a while and hearing about some of the projects that he's been working on. Well, that's it for now. I'll post a message when the webpage for the trip is finished. Not really any sailing shots but we had a lot of fun regardless. Catalina is a beautiful place. Their business is down severely due to fuel prices which makes it less crowded and almost all sailboats over there vs the normal almost all powerboats. You Socal Monty guys have a jewel right there in your back yard. I can't wait to go again! Thanks for the company Gary! We had a great time. Sean and Jo M23 "Dauntless" **************Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007)

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Re: M_Boats: M15 trailer jack
by Steve R. 26 Jun '08

26 Jun '08

Bob, I would suggest a removable jack. The Bulldog line of jacks has a removable model, although I think it is a little oversized for our needs. Other manufacturers may offer something similar. First a trunnion (a small cylinder) is welded to the frame. Then a pin is inserted either through a horizontal or vertical set of holes to secure the jack to the trunnion in either the working or travel position. When the pin is removed the jack may be completely detached from the trailer for launching and retrieval. You may also weld the trunnion to a small steel plate and then bolt the plate to the trailer with U bolts. If you have a galvanized trailer this likely would be a better approach. You would want to paint or powder coat the plate. Or you may decide that living in such a nice sailing location is a small price to pay for buying a jack every two year. steve Steve R. Lexington, KY M-15 #119 ******************************************************** I frequently sail in salt water (SF Bay) and am having trouble with my trailer jack seizing after a season or two. I religiously rinse it after each sail, but I have the impression that rinsing is ineffectual; the sea will always win. I disassembled it and poured penetrating oil on the screw and block and finally freed it; now, what is the best way to clean and preserve the threads. The outer assembly is galvanized, but I can't tell about the threads on the screw, which are covered in grease and rust. Is Navel Jelly the answer, or are there better products on the market? I know Fulton now sell a salt water jack, but I have two of the older models and would rather not buy a third. Thanks, Bob Becker 1982 M15 #208 SF area

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Re: M_Boats: Cockpit drains
by Michael Ray Wisely 26 Jun '08

26 Jun '08

Thanks Bill, Jim, John, et. al. Thank you guys for weighing in. I have 2 of those thru hull fittings on my 17 and I have an aft locker so, if I have to replace those fittings, I will have to become a contortionist...after I starve myself for a month or two so I can fit in. I guess what I will probably do is keep an eye on the metal component of the thru hulls so I don't actually sink "Meg" one day. I guess I will also make some plugs that I can stuff in to the underwater side in case of failure since I'm not likely to be able to crawl back from the inside. Replacement ideas welcome. The Tube replacement idea that Bill showed me was helpful. My thru hulls are different and are from the original design I think with molded surfaces and an aluminum insert (it looks like) on the underside of the hull and the hoses on the inside are attached to what looks like a molded f/g tube, but it's so far back there I can't really tell. Anyway, thanks for the thoughts and I will keep you bay area folk updated when Meg is in the water and ready for the Angel Island Rendezvous. Michael Ray m17 383 "MEG" SF Bay

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M15 trailer jack
by Robert Becker 25 Jun '08

25 Jun '08

I frequently sail in salt water (SF Bay) and am having trouble with my trailer jack seizing after a season or two. I religiously rinse it after each sail, but I have the impression that rinsing is ineffectual; the sea will always win. I disassembled it and poured penetrating oil on the screw and block and finally freed it; now, what is the best way to clean and preserve the threads. The outer assembly is galvanized, but I can't tell about the threads on the screw, which are covered in grease and rust. Is Navel Jelly the answer, or are there better products on the market? I know Fulton now sell a salt water jack, but I have two of the older models and would rather not buy a third. Thanks, Bob Becker 1982 M15 #208 SF area

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