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Re: M_Boats: m15 speed Mo Money?
by GILASAILR＠aol.com 21 May '08

21 May '08

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Re: M_Boats: m15 speed Mo Money?
by GILASAILR＠aol.com 21 May '08

21 May '08

Gary - Some rigs locate shrouds fore and or aft of the primary or Upper shroud. (Most Catalina boats with masthead rigs are set up this way) - It actually makes for one of the stronger rigs available because the center section of the spar is held in column with the lowers located fore and aft at each side of the uppers. Movement is restricted at the spreaders due to lower shrouds limiting fore and aft movement and to a smaller degree the athwartships movement also being limited. No good for adjusting mast rake 'on the fly' but when properly adjusted, the spar will stay where it was set with the shrouds. There is the opportunity to induce some bend by overtensioning either fore or aft set of lowers. Sort of a bomb proof rig config., only exceeded by the ' twin stay' types for redundancy. I will be removing my aft and fore lowers and reinstall inline lowers as built.My initial reason for this setup was a concern for the spar to invert due to the additional length and all shrouds being in line - I hate it when the mast bends back in the spreader area! LOL. We think we got that handled. GO Take Care, Have Fun, Go Sailin' M-17 # 316a LB/GF! Team Geezer Racing.....Old and in the Way Arizona Sailing Squadron **************Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4&?NCID=aolfod00030000000002)

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new M17 owner from Houston BC
by Bruce Ward 21 May '08

21 May '08

Bruce Ward is the new owner of M17 #32 located in north central British Columbia at Houston. More of a bio to follow....

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Re: M_Boats: m15 speed Mo Money?
by GILASAILR＠aol.com 21 May '08

21 May '08

Tom, the tall rig may have a babystay per Jerry M., but some DOLT in Phoenix put fore and aft lowers on his boat, only to decide that it was a probable waste of resources! I do not know of anyone else that was dumb enuf to try that with their perfectly good boat! Want to buy 4) 1/2" round holes for your M-17 deck? I got some available! One set of 'lowers' has been shortend by the Maestro, and the rig will be restored to 'As Designed' single lower rig configuration next time out. I got 8 more inches on its way! Can't wait! GO M-17 # 316a LB/GF! Team Geezer Racing.....Old and in the Way Arizona Sailing Squadron **************Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4&?NCID=aolfod00030000000002)

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Re: M_Boats: m15 speed Mo Money?
by GILASAILR＠aol.com 21 May '08

21 May '08

Tim, I do not believe there is an 'identifier' per say other than the rig being 21" taller. (1' 9") Mainsail still has 4 battens, it is hard to tell the diff. without a tape measure. No real obvious mark. "During the late 70’s we also made 15 or 20 tall rig 17’s; the mast was 1’ 9" taller than normal. Most of these were sold in the light-air areas of southern California and Arizona (mostly sailed in the Sea of Cortez)................." And where do I live? DUH. Heck, I should get a tax credit for this act of sailing improvement! "Performance I’m the kind of guy that from the first time I went sailing I tried to pass every boat in sight, and I’m not alone. One of the fun things in life is to work your way past a Catalina 22 and, once ahead and upwind, oversheet just a bit to rub it in. The 17 is a giant killer. A well-tuned 17 is very close-winded and excels in the extremes. She glides along beautifully in a drifter and will outsail most trailerables of 20 to 22 feet in a blow, particularly upwind. Boats like Potters and Compacs are so far behind they might as well be going the other way, A slow boat is not fun to sail, and I imagine that it’s not fun to have a couple of little kids in an 8’ pram jeer at you as they overtake and sail past. A boat that is a dog in light air or won’t sail to weather against a 25 knot wind is frustrating and a real bore. Think about it. I sometimes joke about "floaters" or "floating house trailers" (boats that float around rather than sail), but they’re really not a joke if you are trying to sail one. I have the attitude that the first requirement of a sailboat is to sail well and I take great pains to make the 17 an outstanding sailboat." >From Jerry Montgomery's "History of the M-17" If you do decide to convert your M-17 to a tall rig I heartily recommend you change out your Windex to the 15" model if you are currently using the 12" dinghy model, you are moving up from dinghy status to bada*z status, and you will need the additional vane size due to the TALL mast. LOL News Flash!!!!! LB/GF! has just contracted with Buzz Ballenger to send out another 8" of extrusion - we liked it soooo much the first time we be going for more! ( will post pictures when this "piece" is completed) Hope that last e-mail "came off" okay - was just making a point for 'doing what you like' with your toys! Ahh........reminds me of a great record, by a short lived band with a killer drum solo and soaring keyboards too............ Go Ginger! Glad to see we got that Canuck Division of Team Geezers up and runnin!! Take Care, Have Fun, Go Sailin' GO Sailing with Blind Faith! Team Geezer Racing.....Old and in the Way Arizona Sailing Squadron **************Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4&?NCID=aolfod00030000000002)

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Re: M_Boats: m15 speed Mo Money?
by GILASAILR＠aol.com 21 May '08

21 May '08

It is just a toy - actually it depends where you sail. I am not a financially wealthy guy, but I thought it a worthwhile project. My spars were tired rigging, at the end of its useful cycle, and I had a suit of 'serviceable +' sails. Made the pain more palatable. I live in Phoenix, AZ home of very light air-makes my sailing experiences more 'fun.' It is a toy -- and goodness knows we like em FUN! I think the $ cost for my spar was about the same or less than a replacement spar from the builder or Dwyer, and the product is measurably improved. Some people put 26" shiny spinning wheels on their automobiles - whatever blows your hair back. Going faster in marginal sailing conditions blows my hair back. I don't recommend anyone spend any money on their boat - I got outta that business. Heck I am taking collections to paint my topsides (hull-topsides)! Please send donations to: Make Gary's Boat Pretty Again-then the list can select a new color! Take Care, Have Fun, Go Sail - It is too hot here!( eh Sean)? GO M-17 # 316a Team Geezer Racing.....Old and in the Way Arizona Sailing Squadron **************Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001)

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charts online
by Rick Langer 20 May '08

20 May '08

That's a great site Tod. Thanks for passing it on to us. I didn't print any, but did do a print preview and it appears all charts are printable. I might never buy another chart. Now I just need a source for waterproof printer paper. Rick M15 #337 Bluebird > Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 22:08:50 -0400 > From: <htmills(a)zoominternet.net> > Subject: M_Boats: charts online > To: "'For and about Montgomery Sailboats'" > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Message-ID: <002501c8ba1e$723350d0$5699f270$@net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" > > Someone on the TSBB posted this link of the NOAA charts on a Google map > type > interface. WAY COOL!!!! > > > > HYPERLINK "http://demo.geogarage.com/noaa/" > \nhttp://demo.geogarage.com/noaa/ > > > > > > Tod Mills > > M17 #408, 1987 galley model > > BuscaBrisas

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Re: M_Boats: m15 speed
by GILASAILR＠aol.com 20 May '08

20 May '08

The solution for "frustrated" M-17 owners is a tall rig - then in 1-5 you are a rocket! IMHO GO M-17 #316 tall Team Geezer Racing.....Old and in the Way Arizona Sailing Squadron **************Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001)

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Re: M_Boats: m15 speed
by Paint4Real＠aol.com 20 May '08

20 May '08

While I agree with a likely false reading, I don't think the 15's incapable of surfing well above what might be technically regarded as a hull-speed limit on a displacement vessel, especially if roll and vector isn't a deterrent to lifting the centerboard -- that is, if you're just going out in some wind to see what she'll do on open water. That said, the fastest I've ever traveled in my 15 was under reefed main and storm jib on a reach. I was delirious with the pleasure of it. Then I had to head in to drop off a green-gilled non-sailor passenger whose delirium was originating from a place lower than his head or heart -- though he had unwittingly been providing some needed cockpit ballast for my little experiment. But in a 15, the best ballast is mobile, so might as well jettison that which isn't. I don't know what the maximum speed of a 15 with only skipper aboard, on a close reach and reefed down, in a blow, but it ain't the result of any hull-speed formula. Though I don't believe it's 12, either. I'm not saying it couldn't be, on an occasional surf. In the end, the race against numbers isn't as singular or sporting as the contest between our own limitations and the conditions in which we find ourselves. M15, #324 "Shenanigans" ************** Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001)

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m15 named SCRED
by Nebwest2＠aol.com 20 May '08

20 May '08

YOU Da Man...That's why!!!!! :-) **************Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001)

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