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Re: M_Boats: mystery corners
by Danelle Landis 03 May '08

03 May '08

Wow - thanks! What a gorgeous, bright photo. You just wanted to show off that ridiculously perfect, shiny clean interior, didn't you? ha. I had been wondering what those little fiberglass "caves" were on the floor too. My husband was guessing they were from when the molds were turned. Looks like they were for a drain hose? So I'm thinking the flaking fiberglass matting inside the wet locker was an effort by an owner who was having problems with these drains. They must have cut off the drain exits and tried to plug the holes. Is this going to be a hazard, to not have the original system working? Boy, I ought to get out and visit some of your boats to learn what mine should look like. I did recently learn that our boat did nearly sink last year. The lower gudgeon bolts came out, and the boat was hanging by its dock lines when the owners arrived. I'd been wondering how the starboard winch had broken right off of the base...I'm guessing the boat's weight was leaning on the winch. There was no lower gudgeon when we bought the boat either - another spot that had been covered and glued over in a desperate attempt to not have another near-sinking. We manufactured new gudgeons and backing plates, so that should be fine. Thanks so much! I will save this photo. (Someday my boat may also look so shiny and nice!) Danelle Landis "Ceto" M17 #378 Ketchikan, AK ----- Original Message ---- From: "htmills(a)zoominternet.net" <htmills(a)zoominternet.net> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Friday, May 2, 2008 7:09:37 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: mystery corners You mean something like this?: http://www.htmills.com/images/BBc10-BuscaUnderStbdCockpit.jpg Tod -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces(a)mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Danelle Landis Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 11:08 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: M_Boats: mystery corners Hi, I've been working hard to get our M17 ready to launch after a month in the yard, so I'm very behind on emails! One mystery my boat has that I'd like to solve, because this mystery is leaking, is the underside forward corners of the wet lockers. In my boat, it looks like someone sawed something off of each corner. The corners were drippy and covered with duct tape. (Of course!) Were there some important drains there, or...? I'm planning to chip/grind out the loose, flaking fiberglass matting inside the wet locker, then epoxy the corners so they're tight, unless you guys tell me that I'm missing some crucial parts! Thanks so much. Danelle Landis "Ceto" M17 #378 Ketchikan, AK ____________________________________________________________________________ ________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.5/1400 - Release Date: 4/27/2008 9:39 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.5/1400 - Release Date: 4/27/2008 9:39 AM _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ

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mystery corners
by Danelle Landis 03 May '08

03 May '08

Hi, I've been working hard to get our M17 ready to launch after a month in the yard, so I'm very behind on emails! One mystery my boat has that I'd like to solve, because this mystery is leaking, is the underside forward corners of the wet lockers. In my boat, it looks like someone sawed something off of each corner. The corners were drippy and covered with duct tape. (Of course!) Were there some important drains there, or...? I'm planning to chip/grind out the loose, flaking fiberglass matting inside the wet locker, then epoxy the corners so they're tight, unless you guys tell me that I'm missing some crucial parts! Thanks so much. Danelle Landis "Ceto" M17 #378 Ketchikan, AK ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ

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Mast Gate
by James Poulakis 02 May '08

02 May '08

Anyone have an ingenious idea for a closing mast gate? Personally, I think sail stops are wussy but Dwyer doesn't make gates for our mast section. A gate would eliminate a step from the jiffy reefing scheme I'm dreaming up. Jim Poulakis "Spirit" M-17 #648

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new brochure added
by Bill Lamica 01 May '08

01 May '08

Just added the Abil Vega 27 brochure PDF to the Photo Site, compliments of Peter Jacobs, past M17 owner This link is for the brochure, Bill http://www.msogphotosite.com/MSOG/pdfpage/albinvega27.pdf

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Re: M_Boats: Comfort and Joy
by Larry E Yake 01 May '08

01 May '08

Sleeping on a M17 when there's any wave action is an "acquired" skill. As in when you've acquired enough exhaustion, you'll finally get a little bit of fitful sleep. I guarantee 3 to 4 foot waves will keep you up all night. Not only from the noise (Which some sailors claim is "soothing". I'm from the "it's annoying" school of thought.), but also from the tossing and lurching, which I had the misfortune of enduring one very windy night anchored in Winter Cove in the Gulf Islands. The pitching would be bad enough, but throw in an occasional sideways lurch as the boat sails side to side on her anchor and there is no "rhythm" for your body to adjust to. I have an anchor riding sail, as Tim mentioned trying, and have not found that it makes a great deal of difference. Mounting it on the backstay above the bridle guys puts it too high and too far forward on such a short boat to be very effective. Perhaps another mounting method would help. I've also tried moving the anchor rode to the winch eye down on the bow, rigging a bridle from both bow cleats, raising the centerboard and/or the rudder, all to no avail. It's not a real bad swing on the M17, but no swing at all would be better. Sleeping in the cockpit is much quieter than sleeping inside. The "echo chamber" effect is gone, and the cockpit seats are nice and long, although a little narrow. I lined the sides of the V berth with 1/4" closed cell foam and antimicrobial headliner material over that to try to quiet the "chamber", but it only helped a little. The quarter berth is not fit for man nor beast. I'm slim enough to get my legs down there, but unless you're willing to spend the entire night motionless on your back, without bending your legs or rolling onto your side, it feels like a coffin. Nevertheless, I love cruising on my M17 and sleeping aboard. You just want to find a nice peaceful anchorage to get a good nights sleep. Larry Yake M17 #200 CornDog "In a power boat you get there faster, but in a sailboat you're already there." On Sun, 27 Apr 2008 17:53:26 -0400 (EDT) Joe Murphy <seagray(a)embarqmail.com> writes: > Tim, > Thanks for the info. Do you have a roller at the bow for the anchor > rode or do you use one of the chalks? I was anchored out at the > Fort Macon light house one weekend and I watched a couple next to me > doing exactly what you described. The next morning we got together > for coffee and he said he was going to have a small roller put right > off the tip of the bow. He emailed me later and told me that it > solved 90% of his problem. > > Sleeping... Is it possible to sleep in the starboard berth? > > Thanks again, > Joe > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tim Diebert" <tim(a)timtone.com> > To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2008 12:45:23 PM (GMT-0500) > America/New_York > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Comfort and Joy > > The stubbiness of the 17 means it will be a lot more frisky in any > kind of > lumpy water of course. > I find that the lapstrakes...the faux laps....tend to make a lot of > little > noises with even the slightest water action. I drives me wacky to > tell you > the truth. > Another thing I have noticed about the 17 is that she tends to > 'sail' when > on the hook. Rather than nose to wind she tends to wander back and > forth > within a 45 degree quadrant. Because of this she can get a slight > sideways > roll going at times. I am going to try a small riding sail when at > anchor > for night. > My wife an I can both sleep in the V berth....simutaineously. But it > is a > bit tight. We decided to work on the cockpit tent more and rig a big > berth > in the cockpit in the future. One in the V berth, one outside. The > tent > prototype is partway done. > When I cruise by myself it is perfectly roomy and suitable for many > days no > problem. I have also spent over a week with my wife on the > boat.....and we > are still married...though she has told me it won't be happening > again. ~:0) > > Cheers, Tim D in BC. > > -----Original Message----- > From: montgomery_boats-bounces(a)mailman.xmission.com > [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of > Joe > Murphy > Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2008 6:05 PM > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > Subject: M_Boats: Comfort and Joy > > I'm looking at the M17 as a next boat and have taken note on how > seaworthy > they are. In addition, I'm wondering what you all have to say about > > anchoring out. I like doing overnighters in and around the Beaufort > NC area > > which means a lot of 2-3 foot seas. My experiences have been aboard > a > NorSea 27. > > Thanks much, > Joe > > > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.5/1399 - Release Date: > 4/26/2008 > 2:17 PM > > > > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > >

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Re: M_Boats: swinging at anchor
by Conbert H Benneck 01 May '08

01 May '08

Hi Bert, That idea works very well, if you only have one anchor out. Another solution is to set two bow anchors in a "V". Then the boat won't swing around as much. A third solution is a small riding sail set on the back stay. It acts as an air rudder, and keeps the boat headed into the wind. Connie ----- Original Message ---- From: "Flickasf(a)aol.com" <Flickasf(a)aol.com> To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Sent: Monday, April 28, 2008 10:56:14 AM Subject: M_Boats: swinging at anchor I saw a M 17 at anchor using the following system; the vessel was not swinging in the wind. You might give it a try. The anchor rode was led off the bow and a snatch block was attached to it leading to the cockpit making bridle. The angle to the wind could there fore be adjusted. Bert Felton M 15, #365 Zephyr ************** Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp00300000002851) _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats

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