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Re: M_Boats: Charging batteries from the outboard
by Thebaldyone2＠aol.com 06 May '08

06 May '08

Sean, where are you checking your voltage? At the batteries? At what engine speed? You might check with your engine's mfg. and see if you might need a new voltage regulator. Are you using a separate meter at the batteries to check your voltage output? Have you installed a battery separator to charge one battery at a time? Just know that one battery can discharge the other if connected together. One can steal the charge from the other, depending on the internal condition of each battery also. Nice to find out now, rather that half way to anywhere. Might be a good idea to check the water level too, unless they are sealed and you cannot check them. You might have a poor connection somewhere in the system also. Hope this is a help. Don't have a boat yet, lots of experience in trucks though. As stated else where on the net, know this advice is worth what was paid for it. Ken Dado PS. sometime ago I wrote you about a NorSea 27 in Vallejo, what happened? Ken **************Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001)

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by Nebwest2＠aol.com 06 May '08

06 May '08

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Charging batteries from the outboard
by Nebwest2＠aol.com 06 May '08

06 May '08

OK,I'm stumped here. Last year I installed 2 group 27 agm batteries in Dauntless. This spring I totally revamped the electrical system including a new Blue Seas System panel with amp and volt meters. I was shocked to see that when my 9.9 Yamaha is running it is putting out almost a 16 volt charge to the batteries. I have done some research and apparently this is normal for this motor. Knowing that AGM's are only supposed to be charged at around 14.2 so you don't cook them, I'm concerned about an upcoming trip to Catalina Island which could require hours of motoring. According to everything I have read you cannot adjust the alternators output, it's fixed. An external regulator would seem to be the answer, except, the motor charges back through the battery cable. I don't think I want to put a regulator on that?? And, even if I did, I haven't found any regulators that would work without stepping the size of the #4 cable way down. I have a long run from the batteries to the starter and don't want to step down the cable size and increase the resistance and voltage drop when the starter is operating. What to do??? Anyone else had this problem??? Thanks, Sean **************Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001)

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CB replacement and mast angle
by kdocter＠bellsouth.net 05 May '08

05 May '08

#164 sails again...or tried too. She hit the water this week for the first time in 26 years. We went but were basically becalmed. So I got practice and advice on setup and teardown. Two questions. I installed the new centerboard. The pin is flush on both sides. How do I ensure that the pin will not just fall out. Should I shorten it some and epoxy it in place? What is the correct angle for the mast? They way it was rigged seemed way to far forward to me. I mounted my side stays on the rear holes and my fwd stay as tight as I could. Kendall Docter M-15 #164 "Vaya Con Dios" Bossier City, LA.

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cabin height and viewing‏
by Robert Machado 05 May '08

05 May '08

Hi, I am considering purchasing a Montgomery 17. I've tried other sailboats of this size and there has not been enough headroom for me down below. Can anyone tell me how many inches of cabin height above the seat the 17 has? Also, I can't find one for sale on the east coast and I would really like to get a look at the 17 without going to the west coast to see one. Does anyone in or near New England have a Montgomery 17 that he or she would be willing to let me take a look at? (not for sale; just to see). I live near Portland, Maine. Thanks, Bob bobandroseann@hotmail,com _________________________________________________________________ Make Windows Vista more reliable and secure with Windows Vista Service Pack 1. http://www.windowsvista.com/SP1?WT.mc_id=hotmailvistasp1banner

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Re: M_Boats: Dangling Motors
by Randy Wirth 05 May '08

05 May '08

I have a 1974 m-17 that I purchased 6 years ago from a friend who purchased it from a friend. Both friends and myself have left the 9.9 Yamaha installed during trailering without problems. randy M-17 "Fore Play" ----- Original Message ----- From: <montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com> To: <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2008 8:35 PM Subject: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 63, Issue 9 > Send montgomery_boats mailing list submissions to > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > montgomery_boats-owner(a)mailman.xmission.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of montgomery_boats digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: dangling motors (Tim Diebert) > 2. Re: dangling motors (Tom Jenkins) > 3. Keel Hole... (Louis Aliotta) > 4. Re: bimini for M-17 and potty (John Owens) > 5. Re: dangling motors (Paint4Real(a)aol.com) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 16:41:13 -0700 > From: "Tim Diebert" <tim(a)timtone.com> > Subject: Re: M_Boats: dangling motors > To: "'For and about Montgomery Sailboats'" > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Message-ID: <005d01c8ae40$575ecdf0$061c69d0$@com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > I always remove mine. > > -----Original Message----- > From: montgomery_boats-bounces(a)mailman.xmission.com > [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Tom > Jenkins > Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2008 12:30 PM > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > Subject: M_Boats: dangling motors > > Montgomery people, > > On occasion, raising even a Honda 5 onto the outboard bracket of a 17 > seems > threatening to the skeleton, so I am wondering if any of you with a 21st > century M17 leaves the iron jib in place while traveling. The transom and > bracket look strong, but I certainly would not want to compromise any of > that nice fiberglass. > > Sorry if this has been discussed already. > > Thanks, > > Tom Jenkins > > M17 Scintilla (2004) > > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.8/1414 - Release Date: 5/4/2008 > 12:31 PM > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sun, 04 May 2008 17:10:30 -0700 > From: "Tom Jenkins" <tjenk(a)gte.net> > Subject: Re: M_Boats: dangling motors > To: "'For and about Montgomery Sailboats'" > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Message-ID: <0K0D0017DCOZQOT0(a)vms040.mailsrvcs.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Bob et al., > > > > Perfect range of advice. I realize that it is more prudent to stash the > motor, but it is nice to know the boats will take what you throw at them > when they have to (add pounding on big waves with no leaf springs to > trailering on dirt roads). Stashing a cold six-pack to reward the help > leads > to maximum flexibility, and brewskis can be self-consumed if help is > unnecessary. > > > > Of course, one can always go nuts and install one of these things I found > while writing this message: <www.pickupspecialties.com/spitzlift.htm > > > > > Tom Jenkins > > Scintilla > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: montgomery_boats-bounces(a)mailman.xmission.com > [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Bob > From > California > Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2008 2:40 PM > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > Subject: Re: M_Boats: dangling motors > > > > > > Tom > > > > There is no problem leaving the motor on while trailering on M_17s I have > built. > > > > We doubled up the lam and added extra reinforcing just for that purpose. > > > > I would recommend stowing the stainless motor mount in the UP position to > > > > reduce the ARM Times WEIGHT moment. Some people also tie a line between > the > > > > motor and a cleat to reduce bouncing. The same for the M_15s. No problem. > > > > Just don't park her overnight and get that Honda swiped. > > > > Fair winds > > > > Bob Eeg > > (949) 489-8227 > > > > > >> Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 12:29:31 -0700> From: tjenk(a)gte.net> To: > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: M_Boats: dangling motors> > > > Montgomery people,> > On occasion, raising even a Honda 5 onto the > outboard > bracket of a 17 seems> threatening to the skeleton, so I am wondering if > any > of you with a 21st> century M17 leaves the iron jib in place while > traveling. The transom and> bracket look strong, but I certainly would not > want to compromise any of> that nice fiberglass. > > Sorry if this has > been > discussed already.> > Thanks,> > Tom Jenkins> > M17 Scintilla (2004) > > > _______________________________________________> > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > _______________________________________________ > > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 20:28:33 -0400 > From: "Louis Aliotta" <capnlou(a)ec.rr.com> > Subject: M_Boats: Keel Hole... > To: <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Message-ID: <000c01c8ae46$f3bb6ef0$6401a8c0@TOSHIBA2RIVERS> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > So what's uyp with the water in my cockpit???? I know this is a common > problem with the M-15 and it is the only thing that really bugs me about > the boat. Has anyone found a way to evacuate the excess water that comes > us throught that keel hole??? > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 20:44:50 -0500 > From: John Owens <oldhippi9(a)hotmail.com> > Subject: Re: M_Boats: bimini for M-17 and potty > To: <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Message-ID: <BAY123-W23A2E18F9427A0D672DB75F9D70(a)phx.gbl> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > Robbin, > Another option for a potty is my dandy dumper. It is a folding toilet > with a plastic bag. You can see it on my site www.jowoodworks.com . > Let me know if I can help. > JohnJohn OwensJ O Woodworks903-894-6293870 CR 3812Troup, Texas > 75789www.jowoodworks.comjohn(a)jowoodworks.com> From: > montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: montgomery_boats > Digest, Vol 63, Issue 7> To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Date: > Sun, 4 May 2008 13:59:34 -0600> > Send montgomery_boats mailing list > submissions to> montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > To subscribe or > unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit> > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats> or, > via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to> > montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com> > You can reach the person > managing the list at> montgomery_boats-owner(a)mailman.xmission.com> > When > replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific> than "Re: > Contents of montgomery_boats digest..."> > > Today's Topics:> > 1. Re: > Comfort and Joy (Tim Diebert)> 2. Re: Comfort and Joy (Saltm17(a)aol.com)> > 3. Re: Comfort and Joy (Tim Diebert)> 4. Re: Single Line Reefing and Jib > Downhaul (Tim Diebert)> 5. bimini for M-17 and potty (robbin roddewig)> 6. > dangling motors (Tom Jenkins)> 7. Re: bimini for M-17 and potty > (JDavies104(a)aol.com)> > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------> > > Message: 1> Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 07:17:06 -0700> From: "Tim Diebert" > <tim(a)timtone.com>> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Comfort and Joy> To: "'For and > about Montgomery Sailboats'"> <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com>> > Message-ID: <007801c8ad28$5e3cd040$1ab670c0$@com>> Content-Type: > text/plain; charset="us-ascii"> > Now this is a technique I have never > tried or even read about. I carry one> of those grapnel units as a second > and will try this next time.> ThanksJim.> Tim D.> ---------------------> > "Try this:> Drop a second anchor off the bow. Pay out very short scope > (anchor > just touching the ground then a few feet more). The second > anchor > should drag along and discourage the whole boat from wrenching > back and > forth. This works best with one of those grapnel type dinghy > anchors > (It actually works even better with a Hershoff anchor - but who > carries > those anymore?)> Drawbacks:> 1) It can require frequent > adjusting in areas with large tidal ranges > (or your second anchor will > just dangle when the tide comes in).> 2) It doesn't work very well with > Danforth type anchors.> 3) On some bottoms it just plain doesn't work.> I > started using this technique on a boat that would tack at anchor so > > badly that my crew threatened to sue for whiplash. I haven't anchored > > out on my new M-17 so I don't know if it's necessary.> Jim Poulakis> > "Spirit" M-17 #648"> > > > > ------------------------------> > Message: 2> > Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 11:40:58 EDT> From: Saltm17(a)aol.com> Subject: Re: > M_Boats: Comfort and Joy> To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Message-ID: <d4e.26aaf4d1.354de18a(a)aol.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="US-ASCII"> > Tim,> > I often anchor my M17 "Miss T" from the > stern. I drop the anchor from the > stern while comming in to the spot I > want to anchor and once it is set and the > right amount of scope is out, > I tie the anchor line to the stern cleat, then > take the rest of the > anchor line outside of the shrouds, fair lead it around > the pulpit and > tie it off to the main cleat. That way if the wind and waves > get up > during the night, I can just uncleat the line from the stern, the boat > > pivots and I have automatically added 17 feet to the scope.> > John > > > > **************> Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on > > family favorites at AOL Food.> > > (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001)> > > > ------------------------------> > Message: 3> Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 > 06:56:53 -0700> From: "Tim Diebert" <tim(a)timtone.com>> Subject: Re: > M_Boats: Comfort and Joy> To: "'For and about Montgomery Sailboats'"> > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com>> Message-ID: > <005101c8adee$b6394f50$22abedf0$@com>> Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="us-ascii"> > Now why didn't I think of that!> Thanks John.> > > -----Original Message-----> From: > montgomery_boats-bounces(a)mailman.xmission.com> > [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of> > Saltm17(a)aol.com> Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2008 8:41 AM> To: > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Comfort and > Joy> > Tim,> > I often anchor my M17 "Miss T" from the stern. I drop the > anchor from the > stern while comming in to the spot I want to anchor and > once it is set and> the > right amount of scope is out, I tie the anchor > line to the stern cleat, then> > take the rest of the anchor line outside > of the shrouds, fair lead it around> > the pulpit and tie it off to the > main cleat. That way if the wind and> waves > get up during the night, I > can just uncleat the line from the stern, the> boat > pivots and I have > automatically added 17 feet to the scope.> > John > > > **************> > Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on > family favorites > at AOL Food.> > > (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001)> > _______________________________________________> > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats> > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message.> Checked by AVG. > > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.8/1412 - Release Date: 5/2/2008> > 4:34 PM> > > > > > ------------------------------> > Message: 4> Date: > Sun, 4 May 2008 07:15:37 -0700> From: "Tim Diebert" <tim(a)timtone.com>> > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Single Line Reefing and Jib Downhaul> To: "'For and > about Montgomery Sailboats'"> <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com>> > Message-ID: <005201c8adf1$5384e100$fa8ea300$@com>> Content-Type: > text/plain; charset="us-ascii"> > Tom said: "As always, though, I have > additional questions. You put all the> first reef> gear to starboard and > the second reef to port, requiring some type of> anchoring devices in the > tack cringles. Is there a reason why the reefing> line could not go > through the double block on the starboard side, through> the tack cringle, > down to the other double, and aft to the block, the clew> cringle and the > starboard padeye? "> > >Yes, you could do that. It works perfectly for a > single set. > But the issue arrises with wanting to have two sets and as > little hardware> as possible.> If you had a double on either either side > of the boom forward(as there is> now)> ...you could utilize one shiv of > the double for the first and the other for> the 2nd> .....but then you > would have two different lines with two different> functions on > each > double. I have found that by isolating the lines they are easier to> keep > > clear and sorted. Once reefed even one in there is loose sail and the > 2nd> set> of reef lines to deal with. Having all the lines and gear on one > side seems> to> help me keep it straight. Pulling down on one side of the > tack does tend to> twist> the boom a bit...but there is no issue with sail > shape or performance.> > Anyway, your boat is obviously loaded for bear. > Do you even have a full set> of lifelines?> > >The boat is not quite where > I would like it yet but thanks. PUFF came with> lifelines> (and the > name...)> The jury is out on these. Some days I find them handy....other > days they> seem> completely in the way and even a bit dangerous. The boat > is pretty small to> close in> side decks like that. But when you are > sitting on the foredeck with your> legs straddling > the bow trying to > change down sail in larger waves, those lines are mightly> handy. For > > those days alone is why they remain. > > Thanks again for your great > information.> > >My pleasure. I hope it helps. Give and get.> > Sunny and > warm today, I am off to sail.> > Cheers, Tim in BC.> > ========================================> > Tom Jenkins> M17 Scintilla> > > -----Original Message-----> From: > montgomery_boats-bounces(a)mailman.xmission.com> > [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Tim> > Diebert> Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2008 8:43 AM> To: 'For and about > Montgomery Sailboats'> Subject: M_Boats: Single Line Reefing and Jib > Downhaul> > For whoever was interested in this two reef single line system > and the jib> downhaul I use.> Images and explanation posted to a web page > here> <http://www.timtone.com/monty/singlelinereefing.htm> .> > I hope > this helps.> > Have a great weekend all.> > Cheers, Tim D. in BC.> > _______________________________________________> > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats> > > > > _______________________________________________> > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats> > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message.> Checked by AVG. > > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.6/1404 - Release Date: > 4/29/2008> 6:27 PM> > > > > > ------------------------------> > Message: > 5> Date: Sun, 04 May 2008 13:46:54 -0400> From: robbin roddewig > <robbin.roddewig(a)verizon.net>> Subject: M_Boats: bimini for M-17 and > potty> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats> > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com>> Message-ID: > <481DF68E.1050706(a)verizon.net>> Content-Type: text/plain; > charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed> > Listers,> I have been asked by the > admiral to look into the installation of a > Bimini on the flag ship of > the fleet, my M-17. I do not see any other > examples of 17's with a > Bimini and I could not see where Bob Eeg offers > this as an option on the > new boats. Has anyone done this, considered > this or are there good > reasons I am not seeing other examples?> > Does anyone else have a built > in head? I have avoided the thing since I > purchased the boat (on the > general philosophy of ignorance is bliss) but > may want to use it in the > upcoming Chesapeake Bay cruise. Any advice on > this rather indelicate > topic? Looked like West Marine had some stuff to > put in the tank, which > I am assuming it has since there is a vent and a > pump out fitting with > hoses attached going to the deck. Will the head > go back to inert once it > is pumped out? Should I consider a portable > replacement?> > Thanks in > advance,> Robbin> > > > > ------------------------------> > Message: 6> > Date: Sun, 04 May 2008 12:29:31 -0700> From: "Tom Jenkins" > <tjenk(a)gte.net>> Subject: M_Boats: dangling motors> To: "For and about > Montgomery Sailboats"> <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com>> > Message-ID: <0K0C00HGTZHF8PT1(a)vms042.mailsrvcs.net>> Content-Type: > text/plain; charset="us-ascii"> > Montgomery people,> > On occasion, > raising even a Honda 5 onto the outboard bracket of a 17 seems> > threatening to the skeleton, so I am wondering if any of you with a 21st> > century M17 leaves the iron jib in place while traveling. The transom and> > bracket look strong, but I certainly would not want to compromise any of> > that nice fiberglass. > > Sorry if this has been discussed already.> > > Thanks,> > Tom Jenkins> > M17 Scintilla (2004) > > > > > ------------------------------> > Message: 7> Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 > 15:59:24 EDT> From: JDavies104(a)aol.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: bimini for > M-17 and potty> To: robbin.roddewig(a)verizon.net, > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Message-ID: > <be9.30bf8375.354f6f9c(a)aol.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="US-ASCII"> > Robbin,> > There was a thread on this delicate > subject back I think in December, and > based on what I learned then, and > following Doug Kelch's lead, I have bought (for > the same cruise) a Pett > dry toilet system, which seems to have a lot of > advantages over the > standard porta-potti. If you are thinking of replacing your > built-in, > you may want to consider it. Lots of information online on the > system, > which uses zipper bags pre-filled with chemicals which process the > > material into a semi-solid form which can legally be dumped into any trash > bin. No > flushing, no tank to dump, and no necessity to scout for dumping > facilities. > I found also that when the legs are removed it fits solidly > into the > starboard v-berth storage hatch opening. It's not flush with > the surround, but can > easily be closed and stored when not in use. Full > disclosure - I haven't used > it yet, but plan to test it out (informally, > of course) sometime before the > cruise.> > Rick Davies> M-17 Lynne L > #633> > PS It's also cheaper than a porta-potti. > > > **************> > Wondering what's for > Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites > at AOL Food.> > > (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001)> > > > ------------------------------> > > _______________________________________________> montgomery_boats mailing > list> montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats> > > > End of montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 63, Issue 7> > *********************************************** > _________________________________________________________________ > Windows Live SkyDrive lets you share files with faraway friends. > http://www.windowslive.com/skydrive/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh… > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 22:35:38 EDT > From: Paint4Real(a)aol.com > Subject: Re: M_Boats: dangling motors > To: tim(a)timtone.com, montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > Message-ID: <c30.2f6b4fed.354fcc7a(a)aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > My O.B. bracket has failed big time and has to be replaced -- or, rather, > removed, and replaced by a repositionable bracket, which I've always > wished I > had. Of course, have to install an access port, so I can get backing > plates > into the inside of the transom. > > In 25 years I've never heard the advice to remove the motor from the > bracket > in transit. I'd have always been happy to, just to toss it into the back > of > the vehicle. Wish someone had said something about the stresses > involved, > leaving it on. > > > ************** > Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists > on family favorites at AOL Food. > > (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001) > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > montgomery_boats mailing list > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > > End of montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 63, Issue 9 > ***********************************************

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water on cockpit of M 15
by Flickasf＠aol.com 05 May '08

05 May '08

If you totally plug the hole that the pennant goes through, you could get in trouble if you take a wave in the cockpit. I simply put a small piece of sponge on either side of the drain. If I need to, I can simple pull it out. Bert Felton M15,#365 Zephyr ************** Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001)

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Re: M_Boats: dangling motors
by Conbert H Benneck 05 May '08

05 May '08

Hi Tom, Your question really consists of two questions: The first is: Is the M17 transom strong enough to take the weight, bouncing, and shock loads imparted by driving over expansion strips, curbs, or pot holes. Bob Eeg says it is strong enough. The second question is: How much do trust your fellow man while waving an $800 "goodie" under his nose? To remove an outboard all you have to do is undo two screws, and lift it off. That can be done quite rapidly; in the time you stop at a gas station; go to the toilet; and return to your vehicle. If you have some form of lock on the motor, it takes longer, but overnight at a motel the determined thief - equipped with heavy duty bolt cutters - will be stopped for about 1 minute; or there are the stories of the determined thief with a Sawsall just removing the portion of the transom containing the motor mount. Now that will really fry your hide when you see that.... Result: One nice 2, 3, or 4 HP outboard has disappeared - never to be seen again. At the current price for four cycle outboards, similar to the cost of laptop computers, would you leave an $800 item out in the open, and hope that everyone in the world around you is honest, and will leave your property alone? I carefully removed my HONDA 2 HP motor while towing the M15, and stowed it in the locked (and covered) back end of my VW Jetta station wagon. It was always there when I arrived at the launch ramp. I never had any unpleasant surprises. My $.02 worth. Connie ex M15 #400 LEPPO ----- Original Message ---- From: Tom Jenkins <tjenk(a)gte.net> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Sunday, May 4, 2008 3:29:31 PM Subject: M_Boats: dangling motors Montgomery people, On occasion, raising even a Honda 5 onto the outboard bracket of a 17 seems threatening to the skeleton, so I am wondering if any of you with a 21st century M17 leaves the iron jib in place while traveling. The transom and bracket look strong, but I certainly would not want to compromise any of that nice fiberglass. Sorry if this has been discussed already. Thanks, Tom Jenkins M17 Scintilla (2004) _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats

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Re: M_Boats: Keel Hole...
by Conbert H Benneck 05 May '08

05 May '08

Hi Louis, I had this problem with my M15 when I first sailed it as well. My solution was to build a teak plug with a cap on top of the plug. The CB line went through a close fitting hole. With the CB down, and sailing, the teak plug was down in the CB pennant hole, plugging the hole. No more water in the cockpit while sailing. Another thing that helps is to get weight up forward in the M15 so that the transom is not dragging through the water. Connie ex M15 #400 LEPPO ----- Original Message ---- From: Louis Aliotta <capnlou(a)ec.rr.com> To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Sent: Sunday, May 4, 2008 8:28:33 PM Subject: M_Boats: Keel Hole... So what's uyp with the water in my cockpit???? I know this is a common problem with the M-15 and it is the only thing that really bugs me about the boat. Has anyone found a way to evacuate the excess water that comes us throught that keel hole??? _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats

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dangling motors
by Tom Jenkins 04 May '08

04 May '08

Montgomery people, On occasion, raising even a Honda 5 onto the outboard bracket of a 17 seems threatening to the skeleton, so I am wondering if any of you with a 21st century M17 leaves the iron jib in place while traveling. The transom and bracket look strong, but I certainly would not want to compromise any of that nice fiberglass. Sorry if this has been discussed already. Thanks, Tom Jenkins M17 Scintilla (2004)

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