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Re: M_Boats: dangling motors
by Paint4Real＠aol.com 05 May '08

05 May '08

My O.B. bracket has failed big time and has to be replaced -- or, rather, removed, and replaced by a repositionable bracket, which I've always wished I had. Of course, have to install an access port, so I can get backing plates into the inside of the transom. In 25 years I've never heard the advice to remove the motor from the bracket in transit. I'd have always been happy to, just to toss it into the back of the vehicle. Wish someone had said something about the stresses involved, leaving it on. ************** Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001)

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Re: M_Boats: bimini for M-17 and potty
by John Owens 05 May '08

05 May '08

Robbin, Another option for a potty is my dandy dumper. It is a folding toilet with a plastic bag. You can see it on my site www.jowoodworks.com . Let me know if I can help. JohnJohn OwensJ O Woodworks903-894-6293870 CR 3812Troup, Texas 75789www.jowoodworks.comjohn(a)jowoodworks.com> From: montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 63, Issue 7> To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 13:59:34 -0600> > Send montgomery_boats mailing list submissions to> montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit> http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to> montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com> > You can reach the person managing the list at> montgomery_boats-owner(a)mailman.xmission.com> > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific> than "Re: Contents of montgomery_boats digest..."> > > Today's Topics:> > 1. Re: Comfort and Joy (Tim Diebert)> 2. Re: Comfort and Joy (Saltm17(a)aol.com)> 3. Re: Comfort and Joy (Tim Diebert)> 4. Re: Single Line Reefing and Jib Downhaul (Tim Diebert)> 5. bimini for M-17 and potty (robbin roddewig)> 6. dangling motors (Tom Jenkins)> 7. Re: bimini for M-17 and potty (JDavies104(a)aol.com)> > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------> > Message: 1> Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 07:17:06 -0700> From: "Tim Diebert" <tim(a)timtone.com>> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Comfort and Joy> To: "'For and about Montgomery Sailboats'"> <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com>> Message-ID: <007801c8ad28$5e3cd040$1ab670c0$@com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"> > Now this is a technique I have never tried or even read about. I carry one> of those grapnel units as a second and will try this next time.> ThanksJim.> Tim D.> ---------------------> "Try this:> Drop a second anchor off the bow. Pay out very short scope (anchor > just touching the ground then a few feet more). The second anchor > should drag along and discourage the whole boat from wrenching back and > forth. This works best with one of those grapnel type dinghy anchors > (It actually works even better with a Hershoff anchor - but who carries > those anymore?)> Drawbacks:> 1) It can require frequent adjusting in areas with large tidal ranges > (or your second anchor will just dangle when the tide comes in).> 2) It doesn't work very well with Danforth type anchors.> 3) On some bottoms it just plain doesn't work.> I started using this technique on a boat that would tack at anchor so > badly that my crew threatened to sue for whiplash. I haven't anchored > out on my new M-17 so I don't know if it's necessary.> Jim Poulakis> "Spirit" M-17 #648"> > > > > ------------------------------> > Message: 2> Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 11:40:58 EDT> From: Saltm17(a)aol.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Comfort and Joy> To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Message-ID: <d4e.26aaf4d1.354de18a(a)aol.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"> > Tim,> > I often anchor my M17 "Miss T" from the stern. I drop the anchor from the > stern while comming in to the spot I want to anchor and once it is set and the > right amount of scope is out, I tie the anchor line to the stern cleat, then > take the rest of the anchor line outside of the shrouds, fair lead it around > the pulpit and tie it off to the main cleat. That way if the wind and waves > get up during the night, I can just uncleat the line from the stern, the boat > pivots and I have automatically added 17 feet to the scope.> > John > > > **************> Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on > family favorites at AOL Food.> > (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001)> > > ------------------------------> > Message: 3> Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 06:56:53 -0700> From: "Tim Diebert" <tim(a)timtone.com>> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Comfort and Joy> To: "'For and about Montgomery Sailboats'"> <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com>> Message-ID: <005101c8adee$b6394f50$22abedf0$@com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"> > Now why didn't I think of that!> Thanks John.> > -----Original Message-----> From: montgomery_boats-bounces(a)mailman.xmission.com> [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of> Saltm17(a)aol.com> Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2008 8:41 AM> To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Comfort and Joy> > Tim,> > I often anchor my M17 "Miss T" from the stern. I drop the anchor from the > stern while comming in to the spot I want to anchor and once it is set and> the > right amount of scope is out, I tie the anchor line to the stern cleat, then> > take the rest of the anchor line outside of the shrouds, fair lead it around> > the pulpit and tie it off to the main cleat. That way if the wind and> waves > get up during the night, I can just uncleat the line from the stern, the> boat > pivots and I have automatically added 17 feet to the scope.> > John > > > **************> Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on > family favorites at AOL Food.> > (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001)> _______________________________________________> http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats> > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message.> Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.8/1412 - Release Date: 5/2/2008> 4:34 PM> > > > > > ------------------------------> > Message: 4> Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 07:15:37 -0700> From: "Tim Diebert" <tim(a)timtone.com>> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Single Line Reefing and Jib Downhaul> To: "'For and about Montgomery Sailboats'"> <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com>> Message-ID: <005201c8adf1$5384e100$fa8ea300$@com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"> > Tom said: "As always, though, I have additional questions. You put all the> first reef> gear to starboard and the second reef to port, requiring some type of> anchoring devices in the tack cringles. Is there a reason why the reefing> line could not go through the double block on the starboard side, through> the tack cringle, down to the other double, and aft to the block, the clew> cringle and the starboard padeye? "> > >Yes, you could do that. It works perfectly for a single set. > But the issue arrises with wanting to have two sets and as little hardware> as possible.> If you had a double on either either side of the boom forward(as there is> now)> ...you could utilize one shiv of the double for the first and the other for> the 2nd> .....but then you would have two different lines with two different> functions on > each double. I have found that by isolating the lines they are easier to> keep > clear and sorted. Once reefed even one in there is loose sail and the 2nd> set> of reef lines to deal with. Having all the lines and gear on one side seems> to> help me keep it straight. Pulling down on one side of the tack does tend to> twist> the boom a bit...but there is no issue with sail shape or performance.> > Anyway, your boat is obviously loaded for bear. Do you even have a full set> of lifelines?> > >The boat is not quite where I would like it yet but thanks. PUFF came with> lifelines> (and the name...)> The jury is out on these. Some days I find them handy....other days they> seem> completely in the way and even a bit dangerous. The boat is pretty small to> close in> side decks like that. But when you are sitting on the foredeck with your> legs straddling > the bow trying to change down sail in larger waves, those lines are mightly> handy. For > those days alone is why they remain. > > Thanks again for your great information.> > >My pleasure. I hope it helps. Give and get.> > Sunny and warm today, I am off to sail.> > Cheers, Tim in BC.> ========================================> > Tom Jenkins> M17 Scintilla> > -----Original Message-----> From: montgomery_boats-bounces(a)mailman.xmission.com> [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Tim> Diebert> Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2008 8:43 AM> To: 'For and about Montgomery Sailboats'> Subject: M_Boats: Single Line Reefing and Jib Downhaul> > For whoever was interested in this two reef single line system and the jib> downhaul I use.> Images and explanation posted to a web page here> <http://www.timtone.com/monty/singlelinereefing.htm> .> > I hope this helps.> > Have a great weekend all.> > Cheers, Tim D. in BC.> _______________________________________________> http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats> > > > _______________________________________________> http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats> > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message.> Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.6/1404 - Release Date: 4/29/2008> 6:27 PM> > > > > > ------------------------------> > Message: 5> Date: Sun, 04 May 2008 13:46:54 -0400> From: robbin roddewig <robbin.roddewig(a)verizon.net>> Subject: M_Boats: bimini for M-17 and potty> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats> <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com>> Message-ID: <481DF68E.1050706(a)verizon.net>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed> > Listers,> I have been asked by the admiral to look into the installation of a > Bimini on the flag ship of the fleet, my M-17. I do not see any other > examples of 17's with a Bimini and I could not see where Bob Eeg offers > this as an option on the new boats. Has anyone done this, considered > this or are there good reasons I am not seeing other examples?> > Does anyone else have a built in head? I have avoided the thing since I > purchased the boat (on the general philosophy of ignorance is bliss) but > may want to use it in the upcoming Chesapeake Bay cruise. Any advice on > this rather indelicate topic? Looked like West Marine had some stuff to > put in the tank, which I am assuming it has since there is a vent and a > pump out fitting with hoses attached going to the deck. Will the head > go back to inert once it is pumped out? Should I consider a portable > replacement?> > Thanks in advance,> Robbin> > > > > ------------------------------> > Message: 6> Date: Sun, 04 May 2008 12:29:31 -0700> From: "Tom Jenkins" <tjenk(a)gte.net>> Subject: M_Boats: dangling motors> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats"> <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com>> Message-ID: <0K0C00HGTZHF8PT1(a)vms042.mailsrvcs.net>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"> > Montgomery people,> > On occasion, raising even a Honda 5 onto the outboard bracket of a 17 seems> threatening to the skeleton, so I am wondering if any of you with a 21st> century M17 leaves the iron jib in place while traveling. The transom and> bracket look strong, but I certainly would not want to compromise any of> that nice fiberglass. > > Sorry if this has been discussed already.> > Thanks,> > Tom Jenkins> > M17 Scintilla (2004) > > > > ------------------------------> > Message: 7> Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 15:59:24 EDT> From: JDavies104(a)aol.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: bimini for M-17 and potty> To: robbin.roddewig(a)verizon.net, montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Message-ID: <be9.30bf8375.354f6f9c(a)aol.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"> > Robbin,> > There was a thread on this delicate subject back I think in December, and > based on what I learned then, and following Doug Kelch's lead, I have bought (for > the same cruise) a Pett dry toilet system, which seems to have a lot of > advantages over the standard porta-potti. If you are thinking of replacing your > built-in, you may want to consider it. Lots of information online on the > system, which uses zipper bags pre-filled with chemicals which process the > material into a semi-solid form which can legally be dumped into any trash bin. No > flushing, no tank to dump, and no necessity to scout for dumping facilities. > I found also that when the legs are removed it fits solidly into the > starboard v-berth storage hatch opening. It's not flush with the surround, but can > easily be closed and stored when not in use. Full disclosure - I haven't used > it yet, but plan to test it out (informally, of course) sometime before the > cruise.> > Rick Davies> M-17 Lynne L #633> > PS It's also cheaper than a porta-potti. > > > **************> Wondering what's for > Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food.> > (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001)> > > ------------------------------> > _______________________________________________> montgomery_boats mailing list> montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats> > > End of montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 63, Issue 7> *********************************************** _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live SkyDrive lets you share files with faraway friends. http://www.windowslive.com/skydrive/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh…

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Keel Hole...
by Louis Aliotta 05 May '08

05 May '08

So what's uyp with the water in my cockpit???? I know this is a common problem with the M-15 and it is the only thing that really bugs me about the boat. Has anyone found a way to evacuate the excess water that comes us throught that keel hole???

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Re: M_Boats: dangling motors
by GILASAILR＠aol.com 04 May '08

04 May '08

Irt really sucks when you get to your destination and you're missing the motor..........bounced off on the highway? or those nasty thieves?......hmmmmm. It is not a good practice to leave the motor on the boat while traveling. Hard on the boat, motor and the car behind you! I understand your situation (two torn rotator cuffs make it hard for me to lift a beer more less an outboard) Find some help - an offer of beer in exchange for asisstance seems to work wherever I travel! Take Care, Have Fun , Go Sail! GO M-17 # 316a LB/GF! **************Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001)

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Re: M_Boats: bimini for M-17 and potty
by JDavies104＠aol.com 04 May '08

04 May '08

Robbin, There was a thread on this delicate subject back I think in December, and based on what I learned then, and following Doug Kelch's lead, I have bought (for the same cruise) a Pett dry toilet system, which seems to have a lot of advantages over the standard porta-potti. If you are thinking of replacing your built-in, you may want to consider it. Lots of information online on the system, which uses zipper bags pre-filled with chemicals which process the material into a semi-solid form which can legally be dumped into any trash bin. No flushing, no tank to dump, and no necessity to scout for dumping facilities. I found also that when the legs are removed it fits solidly into the starboard v-berth storage hatch opening. It's not flush with the surround, but can easily be closed and stored when not in use. Full disclosure - I haven't used it yet, but plan to test it out (informally, of course) sometime before the cruise. Rick Davies M-17 Lynne L #633 PS It's also cheaper than a porta-potti. ************** Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001)

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Re: M_Boats: Comfort and Joy
by Saltm17＠aol.com 04 May '08

04 May '08

Tim, I often anchor my M17 "Miss T" from the stern. I drop the anchor from the stern while comming in to the spot I want to anchor and once it is set and the right amount of scope is out, I tie the anchor line to the stern cleat, then take the rest of the anchor line outside of the shrouds, fair lead it around the pulpit and tie it off to the main cleat. That way if the wind and waves get up during the night, I can just uncleat the line from the stern, the boat pivots and I have automatically added 17 feet to the scope. John ************** Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001)

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Canada sailing
by bownez＠juno.com 03 May '08

03 May '08

Tom, Wow, does THAT sound great! Bones I hope this is not too far off topic, but my reefing discussion with Tim inspires me to put in a plug for trailer sailing north of the U.S. border. The Portland "Canal" I had in mind is a fjord reaching the coast near Prince Rupert B.C. that runs almost 144 km NE to the twin border towns of Stewart B.C./Hyder Alaska. The Canal is only a couple of kilometers wide, and carries the meltwater of numerous big glaciers. The winds are fluky like lake winds, but the sailing is good, and you can carry a pot or two to get fresh Dungeness crab for dinner. The scenery is of course spectacular, and you can kiss a Grizzly if you like. We took our rig on the ferry to Vancouver Island, drove north, then ferried up part of the Inland Passage to Prince Rupert. From there it is an easy drive through the mountains to the Canal, and you can hit some great sailing lakes on the interior drive back to the U.S. (or north toward Alaska, if you like). A trip you will not forget, for sure. _____________________________________________________________ Click now to find a divorce attorney near you! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2121/fc/Ioyw6i3oG1v0msZOqF2UKSpPDoLargK…

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Re: M_Boats: Comfort and Joy
by Ben Smith 03 May '08

03 May '08

Did you try unshipping the rudder? That sometime helps. Thanks, Ben ---------------------------------------- > From: montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com > Subject: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 63, Issue 3 > To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 17:11:44 -0600 > > Send montgomery_boats mailing list submissions to > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > montgomery_boats-owner(a)mailman.xmission.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of montgomery_boats digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Comfort and Joy (jerry) > 2. Re: Comfort and Joy (htmills(a)zoominternet.net) > 3. Re: Comfort and Joy (htmills(a)zoominternet.net) > 4. Re: new brochure added (James Poulakis) > 5. Re: Comfort and Joy (James Poulakis) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 12:19:49 -0700 > From: "jerry" > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Comfort and Joy > To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" > > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > I hate the smell of burning blankets! > > Jerry > jerrymontgomery.org > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tom Smith" > To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" > > Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2008 12:13 PM > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Comfort and Joy > > >> I'm telling you Jerry. Smoky campfire. Blanket. t >> >> _______________________________________________ >> http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG. >> Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.7/1409 - Release Date: 5/1/2008 > 8:39 AM >> >> > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 17:57:23 -0400 > From: > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Comfort and Joy > To: "'For and about Montgomery Sailboats'" > > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" > > Jerry, > > Maybe you got a defective copy? *grin* > > I don't recall Busca sailing at anchor either. The only time I can recall > moving about is when the wind was light and/or the tide/current came into > play. And then the time in the Chesapeake when we dragged during a > thunderstorm and my 11# Bruce couldn't hold a half-dozen plus rafted up > boats. Of course, then we didn't sail around, we just slowly moved > backwards. > > 11# Bruce + 17' of 5/16" chain + 3/8" three strand nylon. > > Tod > > > -----Original Message----- > From: montgomery_boats-bounces(a)mailman.xmission.com > [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of jerry > Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2008 12:43 PM > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Comfort and Joy > > I'm curious about this also. I've spent many nites on the hook in Mexico > and Catalina Isl, and don't ever remember the boat sailing around; this is > with a 17 and a 15 also. What am I doing wrong? > > I wonder if it could be something as simple as the amount of scope and > chain? I used 5/16" chain, and about 30 feet of it. I tried my best to > avoid rough anchorages, but if there was any chop at all I ran the line down > thru the trailer eye as someone else mentioned. Otherwise I tied it off on > the bow cleat and led the line around the puplit, which would make it off > center by at least a foot. I normally left the rudder down and lashed on > center. Only other thing I can think of would be the boom awning, which > would add some drag aft. I normally raised the CB, but that was to keep it > from banging back and forth. > > I really can't think of any other possible factors! I have used several > different boats and had no problem with any. > > Jerry > jerrymontgomery.org > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tim Diebert" > To: "'For and about Montgomery Sailboats'" > > Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2008 7:15 AM > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Comfort and Joy > > >> That's not a good bit of info Gary. You got me all depressed first thing >> this morning....~:0) >> >> The thing that really brought this to light for me was a night on the hook >> two summers ago. I wind shift turned my anchorage uncomfortable. As I > always >> do I take bearings on fixed points and keep checking to be sure I am not >> dragging. Every time I poked my head out the hatch I saw something new and >> wondered if the wind was shifting that badly. A motor boat dropped in > this >> bay later in the evening. His boat tracked straight into the wind...like a >> bird dog. At first I thought he had a stern anchor....but no. Got me >> wondering why PUFF sailed all over the place and he did not. That's when I >> figured it was the off-center (no bow roller) condition. I went to the >> trouble of making a centering harness on the pulpit and kept it as low as >> possible. No difference. >> I will try all the other ideas mentioned as I get a chance. >> >> Tim >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: montgomery_boats-bounces(a)mailman.xmission.com >> [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Gary M >> Hyde >> Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 6:57 PM >> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats >> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Comfort and Joy >> >> Tim: >> I've owned 4 sailboats and they all tacked back and forth on the hook. >> --Gary Hyde >> 2005 M17 sailboat #637 'Hydeaway 2' >> We can't change the wind, but we can trim our sails. >> Sailing is like "African Queening" thru life. >> >> On Apr 27, 2008, at 9:45 AM, Tim Diebert wrote: >>> The stubbiness of the 17 means it will be a lot more frisky in any >>> kind of >>> lumpy water of course. >>> I find that the lapstrakes...the faux laps....tend to make a lot of >>> little >>> noises with even the slightest water action. I drives me wacky to >>> tell you >>> the truth. >>> Another thing I have noticed about the 17 is that she tends to >>> 'sail' when >>> on the hook. Rather than nose to wind she tends to wander back and >>> forth >>> within a 45 degree quadrant. Because of this she can get a slight >>> sideways >>> roll going at times. I am going to try a small riding sail when at >>> anchor >>> for night. >>> My wife an I can both sleep in the V berth....simutaineously. But it >>> is a >>> bit tight. We decided to work on the cockpit tent more and rig a big >>> berth >>> in the cockpit in the future. One in the V berth, one outside. The >>> tent >>> prototype is partway done. >>> When I cruise by myself it is perfectly roomy and suitable for many >>> days no >>> problem. I have also spent over a week with my wife on the >>> boat.....and we >>> are still married...though she has told me it won't be happening >>> again. ~:0) >>> >>> Cheers, Tim D in BC. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: montgomery_boats-bounces(a)mailman.xmission.com >>> [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of >>> Joe >>> Murphy >>> Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2008 6:05 PM >>> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats >>> Subject: M_Boats: Comfort and Joy >>> >>> I'm looking at the M17 as a next boat and have taken note on how >>> seaworthy >>> they are. In addition, I'm wondering what you all have to say about >>> anchoring out. I like doing overnighters in and around the Beaufort >>> NC area >>> >>> which means a lot of 2-3 foot seas. My experiences have been aboard a >>> NorSea 27. >>> >>> Thanks much, >>> Joe >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats >>> >>> >>> -- >>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>> Checked by AVG. >>> Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.5/1399 - Release Date: >>> 4/26/2008 >>> 2:17 PM >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG. >> Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.7/1408 - Release Date: 4/30/2008 >> 6:10 PM >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG. >> Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.7/1409 - Release Date: 5/1/2008 > 8:39 AM >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.5/1400 - Release Date: 4/27/2008 > 9:39 AM > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.5/1400 - Release Date: 4/27/2008 > 9:39 AM > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 18:00:29 -0400 > From: > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Comfort and Joy > To: "'For and about Montgomery Sailboats'" > > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" > > Yes, that was Busca that had a bow roller. > > I just didn't feel the need for it, so I took it off. On the foredeck I > have two cleats side-by-side and run the anchor rode through a chock at the > gunwale and over to a cleat. > > Two cleats are nice if you raft up, as one gets full pretty quickly. > > Tod > > -----Original Message----- > From: montgomery_boats-bounces(a)mailman.xmission.com > [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Tom > Smith > Sent: Monday, April 28, 2008 11:07 AM > To: 'For and about Montgomery Sailboats' > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Comfort and Joy > > > Somebody had a bow roller once I remember. Whoever bought Riceman's boat > from MT. They removed it I remember. Who was that? Was that you Todd? t > > > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.5/1400 - Release Date: 4/27/2008 > 9:39 AM > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.5/1400 - Release Date: 4/27/2008 > 9:39 AM > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 15:31:00 -0700 > From: James Poulakis > Subject: Re: M_Boats: new brochure added > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed > > What a great boat. Had one in the '80's and '90's then decided I > needed something bigger. I was wrong. Thanks Bill and Peter > > Jim Poulakis > "Spirit" M-17 #648 > > On May 1, 2008, at 5:20 AM, Bill Lamica wrote: > >> Just added the Abil Vega 27 brochure PDF to the Photo Site, >> compliments of >> Peter Jacobs, past M17 owner >> This link is for the brochure, >> Bill >> >> http://www.msogphotosite.com/MSOG/pdfpage/albinvega27.pdf >> _______________________________________________ >> http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats >> > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 16:11:37 -0700 > From: James Poulakis > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Comfort and Joy > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed > > Try this: > Drop a second anchor off the bow. Pay out very short scope (anchor > just touching the ground then a few feet more). The second anchor > should drag along and discourage the whole boat from wrenching back and > forth. This works best with one of those grapnel type dinghy anchors > (It actually works even better with a Hershoff anchor - but who carries > those anymore?) > > Drawbacks: > 1) It can require frequent adjusting in areas with large tidal ranges > (or your second anchor will just dangle when the tide comes in). > 2) It doesn't work very well with Danforth type anchors. > 3) On some bottoms it just plain doesn't work. > > I started using this technique on a boat that would tack at anchor so > badly that my crew threatened to sue for whiplash. I haven't anchored > out on my new M-17 so I don't know if it's necessary. > > Jim Poulakis > "Spirit" M-17 #648 > > On May 1, 2008, at 2:57 PM, wrote: > >> Jerry, >> >> Maybe you got a defective copy? *grin* >> >> I don't recall Busca sailing at anchor either. The only time I can >> recall >> moving about is when the wind was light and/or the tide/current came >> into >> play. And then the time in the Chesapeake when we dragged during a >> thunderstorm and my 11# Bruce couldn't hold a half-dozen plus rafted up >> boats. Of course, then we didn't sail around, we just slowly moved >> backwards. >> >> 11# Bruce + 17' of 5/16" chain + 3/8" three strand nylon. >> >> Tod >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: montgomery_boats-bounces(a)mailman.xmission.com >> [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of >> jerry >> Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2008 12:43 PM >> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats >> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Comfort and Joy >> >> I'm curious about this also. I've spent many nites on the hook in >> Mexico >> and Catalina Isl, and don't ever remember the boat sailing around; >> this is >> with a 17 and a 15 also. What am I doing wrong? >> >> I wonder if it could be something as simple as the amount of scope and >> chain? I used 5/16" chain, and about 30 feet of it. I tried my best >> to >> avoid rough anchorages, but if there was any chop at all I ran the >> line down >> thru the trailer eye as someone else mentioned. Otherwise I tied it >> off on >> the bow cleat and led the line around the puplit, which would make it >> off >> center by at least a foot. I normally left the rudder down and lashed >> on >> center. Only other thing I can think of would be the boom awning, >> which >> would add some drag aft. I normally raised the CB, but that was to >> keep it >> from banging back and forth. >> >> I really can't think of any other possible factors! I have used >> several >> different boats and had no problem with any. >> >> Jerry >> jerrymontgomery.org >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Tim Diebert" >> To: "'For and about Montgomery Sailboats'" >> >> Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2008 7:15 AM >> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Comfort and Joy >> >> >>> That's not a good bit of info Gary. You got me all depressed first >>> thing >>> this morning....~:0) >>> >>> The thing that really brought this to light for me was a night on the >>> hook >>> two summers ago. I wind shift turned my anchorage uncomfortable. As I >> always >>> do I take bearings on fixed points and keep checking to be sure I am >>> not >>> dragging. Every time I poked my head out the hatch I saw something >>> new and >>> wondered if the wind was shifting that badly. A motor boat dropped in >> this >>> bay later in the evening. His boat tracked straight into the >>> wind...like a >>> bird dog. At first I thought he had a stern anchor....but no. Got me >>> wondering why PUFF sailed all over the place and he did not. That's >>> when I >>> figured it was the off-center (no bow roller) condition. I went to the >>> trouble of making a centering harness on the pulpit and kept it as >>> low as >>> possible. No difference. >>> I will try all the other ideas mentioned as I get a chance. >>> >>> Tim >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: montgomery_boats-bounces(a)mailman.xmission.com >>> [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of >>> Gary M >>> Hyde >>> Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 6:57 PM >>> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats >>> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Comfort and Joy >>> >>> Tim: >>> I've owned 4 sailboats and they all tacked back and forth on the hook. >>> --Gary Hyde >>> 2005 M17 sailboat #637 'Hydeaway 2' >>> We can't change the wind, but we can trim our sails. >>> Sailing is like "African Queening" thru life. >>> >>> On Apr 27, 2008, at 9:45 AM, Tim Diebert wrote: >>>> The stubbiness of the 17 means it will be a lot more frisky in any >>>> kind of >>>> lumpy water of course. >>>> I find that the lapstrakes...the faux laps....tend to make a lot of >>>> little >>>> noises with even the slightest water action. I drives me wacky to >>>> tell you >>>> the truth. >>>> Another thing I have noticed about the 17 is that she tends to >>>> 'sail' when >>>> on the hook. Rather than nose to wind she tends to wander back and >>>> forth >>>> within a 45 degree quadrant. Because of this she can get a slight >>>> sideways >>>> roll going at times. I am going to try a small riding sail when at >>>> anchor >>>> for night. >>>> My wife an I can both sleep in the V berth....simutaineously. But it >>>> is a >>>> bit tight. We decided to work on the cockpit tent more and rig a big >>>> berth >>>> in the cockpit in the future. One in the V berth, one outside. The >>>> tent >>>> prototype is partway done. >>>> When I cruise by myself it is perfectly roomy and suitable for many >>>> days no >>>> problem. I have also spent over a week with my wife on the >>>> boat.....and we >>>> are still married...though she has told me it won't be happening >>>> again. ~:0) >>>> >>>> Cheers, Tim D in BC. >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: montgomery_boats-bounces(a)mailman.xmission.com >>>> [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of >>>> Joe >>>> Murphy >>>> Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2008 6:05 PM >>>> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats >>>> Subject: M_Boats: Comfort and Joy >>>> >>>> I'm looking at the M17 as a next boat and have taken note on how >>>> seaworthy >>>> they are. In addition, I'm wondering what you all have to say about >>>> anchoring out. I like doing overnighters in and around the Beaufort >>>> NC area >>>> >>>> which means a lot of 2-3 foot seas. My experiences have been aboard >>>> a >>>> NorSea 27. >>>> >>>> Thanks much, >>>> Joe >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>>> Checked by AVG. >>>> Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.5/1399 - Release Date: >>>> 4/26/2008 >>>> 2:17 PM >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats >>> >>> >>> -- >>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>> Checked by AVG. >>> Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.7/1408 - Release Date: >>> 4/30/2008 >>> 6:10 PM >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats >>> >>> >>> -- >>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>> Checked by AVG. >>> Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.7/1409 - Release Date: >>> 5/1/2008 >> 8:39 AM >>> >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG. >> Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.5/1400 - Release Date: >> 4/27/2008 >> 9:39 AM >> >> >> No virus found in this outgoing message. >> Checked by AVG. >> Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.5/1400 - Release Date: >> 4/27/2008 >> 9:39 AM >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats >> > > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > montgomery_boats mailing list > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > > End of montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 63, Issue 3 > *********************************************** _________________________________________________________________ Back to work after baby–how do you know when you’re ready? http://lifestyle.msn.com/familyandparenting/articleNW.aspx?cp-documentid=57…

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Dancing at anchor..
by Louis Aliotta 03 May '08

03 May '08

I previously owned an Intrepid 27 and it was a real dancer. There was one night that me and my buddies spent at anchor in about 25 to 30 knott winds and it didn't occur to me until later that the boom had been hauled to one side so we would have room in the cockpit. Although the boat was prone to dancing at anchor I believe this had a great impact that knight. It is nice to get the boom out of the way when anchored, however in the future I would check that it isn't causing the boat to dance or tug... Lou Aliotta

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Re: M_Boats: Mast gate
by John R. Butler 03 May '08

03 May '08

Jim, don't know if it would apply on an M-17 or not, or exactly what you have in mind. But on my first M-15 #264, I sheet-metal-screwed strips of aluminum scrap to each side which had the same effect as continuing the slot downward. On my current M-15 #361 I drilled some 9/64" holes through the mast that intersected the slot, then use a 1/8" S/S cotter key extending through the holes to provide a stop for the boom. (Actually, several sets of holes to provide different "stops" for the boom.) This mast had the slot made just by bending the lips outward to make the opening (whereas the older model had an actual cutout that had to be bridged) so I just carefully hammered the lops back into place. Doesn't look perfect ( don't either) but doesn't yell at you. John Butler - Rejoyce! is # 361, Joy was #264

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