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Re: M_Boats: My M-17...Bottom painting, general refurbishing
by bownez＠juno.com 15 Apr '08

15 Apr '08

Welcome Board Michael! You have made a fine boat selection, and your M17 will reward you with many, many fine years of sailing. You are pondering: 1. Has anyone experienced the rough hull that I describe above? 2. The straight dope on removing any type of bottom paint without hurting the gelcoat. 3. Do I need to worry about blisters on a Monty? If so, How do you prep for the interlux barrier coat process?...do you rough up the gelcoat and apply it directly over (the gelcoat)? ...OR? 4. Is Boatlife still the best bedding compound/caulk for bedding wood handrails, and other fittings? Or is their something better out there these days. I have a 1976 M17 hull #92. I had some of those "rough hull" patches and I did a bottom job. The tiny pox marks were grouped together and at the water line. They contained no water so I don't think they are true blisters. I lightly sanded and filled small depressions with the 3M mixing fiberglass patch material. Bottom paint should come off, Sean recently discussed this subject, he used a stripping chemical. The bottom does need to be roughed up to provide "bite" for the paint to adhere. Interlux has great products. I applied 8 barrier coats of Interprotect 2000 and two coats of Micron CSC. The bottom paint gets touched up as needed. For polysulfide sealers, I used to use 3M 101 (I think that is the number), but have switched to Boatlife because it is not as thick, and easier to work with. Keep the questions coming, we all wish to see you on the water as soon as possible! Have you seen Bill Lamica's great web site with M-boats galore? Later, Bones Monty nut Lyle Hess groupie _____________________________________________________________ Click to learn how to become a world famous writer or poet. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2121/fc/Ioyw6i3mz77b5WmvXO5ffL6YDi1gk30…

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Re: M_Boats: New Rudder for M17.
by Larry E Yake 15 Apr '08

15 Apr '08

Hey, beautiful job, Tim! Very nice! So, I see from your picture site that you're already sailing up there in Canada. You're ahead of us "north Idaho sailors", but hopefully we'll be splashing our boats before long. It's been a long winter. Larry On Sun, 13 Apr 2008 10:50:18 -0700 "Tim Diebert" <tim(a)timtone.com> writes: > I built a new rudder in March and sailed with it for the first time > yesterday. > Images and comments are posted to a page I put together. > Another chap on the list required some images for a rudder project > he is > doing > so I thought I would post them in case any one else was interested. > > Cheers, Tim Diebert > Kelowna BC > M17 #369-"PUFF" > > http://www.timtone.com/monty/rudder.htm > > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > >

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Re: M_Boats: boston sailing
by Ben Smith 14 Apr '08

14 Apr '08

Easy there Rick, no need to draw blood. You can get a 2 day non-member boating pass to community boating in Boston, if you want. It's right there on the web sight. You may have talked to one of the less involved staff members over there Things tend to get a little lackadaisical at places like that. If you guys are still in Boston I would be glad to take you as guests. I am stuck sailing dinghys because of the scarcity of Montys for me to buy the East Coast : ( Thanks, Ben ---------------------------------------- > From: montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com > Subject: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 62, Issue 11 > To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 09:59:40 -0600 > > Send montgomery_boats mailing list submissions to > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > montgomery_boats-owner(a)mailman.xmission.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of montgomery_boats digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Flag placement (jim sadler) > 2. Re: boston sailing ( Richard Everett ) > 3. Re: boston sailing (Ian Black) > 4. Re: boston sailing (Chris and Jeff Packer) > 5. Sticky centerboard fix (Gordon Gilbert) > 6. Width of Battens? (Rodney Holland) > 7. New Rudder for a 17 (Tim Diebert) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 23:38:57 -0700 > From: "jim sadler" > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Flag placement > To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" > > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Found this on internet > > There is a rule covering flag size on boats. Ironically, it is usually cited > to discourage flying a flag that is too small, but it works both ways. It > says the width of a flag should be one inch for every foot of boat length. I > reckoned that the version of the Stars and Stripes I saw flying with the > brag flags on a 40-foot racer-cruiser was the right size for a 160-foot > boat. > > Where, when and how should the flag be flown on a sailboat? A good guide is > John Rousmaniere, who in his The Annapolis Book of Seamanship interprets the > traditional etiquette in a way that takes into account the requirements of > contemporary boats: The ensign (the 50-star national flag) or the yacht > ensign (the nautical version with 13 stars and a fouled anchor) may be flown > from the traditional position stitched to the leach of the aftermost sail or > from a staff at the stern. It should be flown from 8 a.m. to sunset when > under way or when anchored or moored, but not when racing. The club burgee > should be flown at the masthead on a pigstick or, if that's not practical > because of the clutter common on modern mastheads, at the starboard, > lowermost spreader. > > > On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 12:23 PM, brian gilbert > wrote: > >> Hi Jim: >> >> You can correctly fly the ensign from a flagstaff at the stern, or sewn >> onto >> the leech of your mainsail, 2/3 of the way up. It should be 1" long for >> every foot of boat length... in your case, 15" minimum. >> >> This is according to John Rousmaniere in the Annapolis Book of Seamanship. >> >> Best >> BG >> >> -- >> Brian Gilbert >> Author, Fix It And Sail, The Complete Trailer-Sailor >> Marine Media >> 3404 Hartford Dr >> Chattanooga, TN 37415 >> www.sailingsmall.com >> >> From: montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com >> Reply-To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com >> Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 08:17:56 -0600 >> To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com >> Subject: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 62, Issue 9 >> >> Can any of you skippers help me with the proper placement of the American >> flag while under sail. >> >> I want to fly the flag properly and respectfully >> >> Thanks >> >> Captain James A Sadler >> Skipper sailing vessel Pelican M-15 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats >> > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2008 05:41:26 -0800 > From: " Richard Everett " > Subject: Re: M_Boats: boston sailing > To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > Sigh, thanks, but I called them and they only rent to members. > > Looks like we are stuck with going on a duck boat tour as our only way of getting on New England waters :-( > > If any of you New Englanders ever come to Seattle in the winter, spring, summer or fall, look us up and we will show you how REAL sailors do it. > >>Here you go Rick >> >>http://www.community-boating.org >> >>Open April 1st maybe I'll see you out there. > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2008 09:29:33 -0600 > From: Ian Black > Subject: Re: M_Boats: boston sailing > To: Richard Everett , > > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hello Rick, > Before we slight the sailing tenacity of our brethren in Boston we have to give pause for comparison. I have lived on both coasts and in the northern Midwest and let me assure you our Pacific Northwest winters are nothing compared to one of theirs. When was the last time you had to wear a goose-down filled parka to work? Have you ever had to plug in your car at night to make sure it would start in the morning? Have you ever had to wait until the middle of May to think about applying a new coat of bottom paint or varnish? > Instead of chiding them, let's pity them for having such a short sailing season. Besides, they did give us the Red Sox who > beat the Yankees..Oh Yeah! > > Ian > seaweeble(a)hotmail.com > > > > >> From: rick(a)skyko.com> To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2008 05:41:26 -0800> Subject: Re: M_Boats: boston sailing>>> Sigh, thanks, but I called them and they only rent to members.>> Looks like we are stuck with going on a duck boat tour as our only way of getting on New England waters :-(>> If any of you New Englanders ever come to Seattle in the winter, spring, summer or fall, look us up and we will show you how REAL sailors do it.>>>Here you go Rick>>>>http://www.community-boating.org>>>>Open April 1st maybe I'll see you out there.>> _______________________________________________> http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > _________________________________________________________________ > Get in touch in an instant. Get Windows Live Messenger now. > http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refres… > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2008 21:00:19 -0700 > From: "Chris and Jeff Packer" > Subject: Re: M_Boats: boston sailing > To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" > > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Ian, > I have to agree. I grew up in Newburyport, 30 miles north of Boston. My > dad was a commercial fisherman. New England has REAL winters. Nothing like > the mild weather and largely protected waters of Puget Sound. > > Jeff > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ian Black" > To: "Richard Everett" ; > > Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2008 8:29 AM > Subject: Re: M_Boats: boston sailing > > >> Hello Rick, >> Before we slight the sailing tenacity of our brethren in Boston we have to >> give pause for comparison. I have lived on both coasts and in the northern >> Midwest and let me assure you our Pacific Northwest winters are nothing >> compared to one of theirs. When was the last time you had to wear a >> goose-down filled parka to work? Have you ever had to plug in your car at >> night to make sure it would start in the morning? Have you ever had to >> wait until the middle of May to think about applying a new coat of bottom >> paint or varnish? >> Instead of chiding them, let's pity them for having such a short sailing >> season. Besides, they did give us the Red Sox who >> beat the Yankees..Oh Yeah! >> >> Ian >> seaweeble(a)hotmail.com >> >> >> >> >>> From: rick(a)skyko.com> To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Date: >>> Sat, 12 Apr 2008 05:41:26 -0800> Subject: Re: M_Boats: boston sailing>> >>> > Sigh, thanks, but I called them and they only rent to members.>> Looks >>> like we are stuck with going on a duck boat tour as our only way of >>> getting on New England waters :-(>> If any of you New Englanders ever >>> come to Seattle in the winter, spring, summer or fall, look us up and we >>> will show you how REAL sailors do it.>>>Here you go Rick>>> >>> >http://www.community-boating.org>>>>Open April 1st maybe I'll see you >>> out there.>> _______________________________________________> >>> http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Get in touch in an instant. Get Windows Live Messenger now. >> http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refres… >> _______________________________________________ >> http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2008 09:25:46 -0500 > From: Gordon Gilbert > Subject: M_Boats: Sticky centerboard fix > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed > > I just got my M-17 back from the boat shop, and I thought I'd report > on what may be an innovative approach to fixing a sticky centerboard. > I bought the boat, an '83 model, last fall and found that the > centerboard was snug against one side of the centerboard trunk and > would drop only reluctantly (and with plenty of WD-40 sprayed down > the pennant hole). > > The shop hoisted the boat and was able to drop the board OK, but I > asked them to do what it took to keep the board from hanging up > anymore. First they drilled several viewing holes in the trunk's gel > coat to assess whether the iron shot ballast was rusting and > contributing to the problem -- and no rust was found. > > With no apparent need to excavate and replace the ballast, the shop > decided to widen the trunk opening slightly to eliminate the rubbing. > To do that, they created a plywood duplicate of the centerboard, > covered it with sandpaper, installed it in the trunk and carefully > moved it up and down to create more clearance for the board. To > ensure that water won't penetrate the sanded area -- creating a rust > problem where there probably was none before -- the shop used a slim > radiator paint roller to apply a thin coat of epoxy on the trunk's > interior surfaces. They also sealed the gap between hull and board > trunk at the bottom of the keel. > > Even though the boat's centerboard looked in good shape (it had been > pulled, faired and epoxy coated previously), we sanded, faired and > recoated the board. > > With spring finally springing in Milwaukee, I'm eagerly looking > forward to launching my new boat and seeing how everything works. > > Gordon > M-17 #377 > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2008 11:57:19 -0500 > From: "Rodney Holland" > Subject: M_Boats: Width of Battens? > To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > > Our 17 is at a lake an hour and a half from here and I need to have the width of the battens for the mainsail without driving all the way up there to check.The main that came with it has no battens. I wrote it down somewhere two weeks ago but can't find the note. My memory is saying an inch and a quarter in width but I'm scared to trust that. I want to buy them this week so I'll have them ready for next weekend so we can get out on the water. > > Anyone know this by heart or have a situation where it is easy to check for me? Thanks in advance! > > Rodney Holland > Texas Doghouse > > > Rodney Holland > rodh(a)earthlink.net > EarthLink Revolves Around You. > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2008 10:47:05 -0700 > From: "Tim Diebert" > Subject: M_Boats: New Rudder for a 17 > To: "'For and about Montgomery Sailboats'" > > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > I mentioned some time ago that I was going to make a new rudder for my 17. I > sailed with the new one yesterday. > Another chap with a 17 needed some images and info so he could replace his > rudder. So I putsome images and info together > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > montgomery_boats mailing list > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > > End of montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 62, Issue 11 > ************************************************ _________________________________________________________________ More immediate than e-mail? Get instant access with Windows Live Messenger. http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refres…

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Re: M_Boats: New Rudder for M17.
by GILASAILR＠aol.com 14 Apr '08

14 Apr '08

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Re: M_Boats: boston sailing
by Richard Everett 14 Apr '08

14 Apr '08

Ok, maybe I was a bit harsh on New England, but my wife went to Brown in Rhode Island and she says the weather in april was not generally that bad...about on par with what we have in Seattle in april. The funny thing was that Friday and Saturday, when the winds were about 10 knots and the sun was shining, we didn't see ANY non-comercial boats on the water (except I think one small powerboat). I can understand the charter and rental companies not wanting to open up for business and pay employees till may, but I would have expected to see a few sailboats out on such nice days. On the plus side, that community boating thing is really cool. They were established years ago to help kids learn to sail (they charged $1 for membership back then and charge $1 now for under 18 y.o.). They have a ton of mecury 15s and several Rhodes 19s. We actually stopped by there Saturday and found out we could have joined for a temporary 2 day membership (was told differently on the phone) but it was too late in the day and we were headed back to Seattle the next day.

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New Rudder for an M17.
by Tim Diebert 13 Apr '08

13 Apr '08

Sorry for the double post..the first one got sent accidentally somehow. I am a simple hunt and pecker..and I only have half a pecker on my left hand..

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New Rudder for M17.
by Tim Diebert 13 Apr '08

13 Apr '08

I built a new rudder in March and sailed with it for the first time yesterday. Images and comments are posted to a page I put together. Another chap on the list required some images for a rudder project he is doing so I thought I would post them in case any one else was interested. Cheers, Tim Diebert Kelowna BC M17 #369-"PUFF" http://www.timtone.com/monty/rudder.htm

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New Rudder for a 17
by Tim Diebert 13 Apr '08

13 Apr '08

I mentioned some time ago that I was going to make a new rudder for my 17. I sailed with the new one yesterday. Another chap with a 17 needed some images and info so he could replace his rudder. So I putsome images and info together

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Width of Battens?
by Rodney Holland 13 Apr '08

13 Apr '08

Our 17 is at a lake an hour and a half from here and I need to have the width of the battens for the mainsail without driving all the way up there to check.The main that came with it has no battens. I wrote it down somewhere two weeks ago but can't find the note. My memory is saying an inch and a quarter in width but I'm scared to trust that. I want to buy them this week so I'll have them ready for next weekend so we can get out on the water. Anyone know this by heart or have a situation where it is easy to check for me? Thanks in advance! Rodney Holland Texas Doghouse Rodney Holland rodh(a)earthlink.net EarthLink Revolves Around You.

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Sticky centerboard fix
by Gordon Gilbert 13 Apr '08

13 Apr '08

I just got my M-17 back from the boat shop, and I thought I'd report on what may be an innovative approach to fixing a sticky centerboard. I bought the boat, an '83 model, last fall and found that the centerboard was snug against one side of the centerboard trunk and would drop only reluctantly (and with plenty of WD-40 sprayed down the pennant hole). The shop hoisted the boat and was able to drop the board OK, but I asked them to do what it took to keep the board from hanging up anymore. First they drilled several viewing holes in the trunk's gel coat to assess whether the iron shot ballast was rusting and contributing to the problem -- and no rust was found. With no apparent need to excavate and replace the ballast, the shop decided to widen the trunk opening slightly to eliminate the rubbing. To do that, they created a plywood duplicate of the centerboard, covered it with sandpaper, installed it in the trunk and carefully moved it up and down to create more clearance for the board. To ensure that water won't penetrate the sanded area -- creating a rust problem where there probably was none before -- the shop used a slim radiator paint roller to apply a thin coat of epoxy on the trunk's interior surfaces. They also sealed the gap between hull and board trunk at the bottom of the keel. Even though the boat's centerboard looked in good shape (it had been pulled, faired and epoxy coated previously), we sanded, faired and recoated the board. With spring finally springing in Milwaukee, I'm eagerly looking forward to launching my new boat and seeing how everything works. Gordon M-17 #377

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