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Montgomery Sailboats are in high demand
by Bob Eeg 15 Jul '13

15 Jul '13

And are built with top-notch quality. There is nothing in the market place faster, better built and as good looking as a Montgomery Sailboat. I don't run a factory; I run a very small boatshop. I built to order on a boat by boat basis. I do a lot of custom work when asked. Bronze ports, Stainless ports, extra ballast, Custom electrical systems, Idasailor rudders, anchoring packages..etc. This work is labor intensive. Quality takes time. I have 3 employees. These people are highly experienced in Laminating, construction, assembly and finish. Woodworking and other skills result in a absolutely beautiful sailing vessel. I use the best sails the best rigging, the best custom stainless fasteners..and yes....(laughing) the best cushions. This last 15 months have been EXTREMELY busy; hiring new help was impossible because all the good people are gone. We had a tremendous BACKLOG and we caught a break only when Pacific Seacraft employees (let go) began filtering into our shop looking for work. We did add some additional crew in the Laminating Shop and because of that we are caught up. Pacific Seacrafts Bankruptcy was good for us. Bad for the dozens of good people who are out of work. The FIRST question of anyone buying a new boat should be 'How is the construction quality'? First and foremost that is the most important issue. I can say that everyone has experienced and will continue to experience a BACKLOG of orders; especially if the boat is as popular as a Montgomery Sailboat. When we had an 8 month backlog and I actually turned down 2 M_17 orders so we could catch our breath. It is impossible to work any harder or any faster. Now that were caught up we can get back to our normal 50-70 days (depending on model and options). Also custom work really adds to the production time. One beautiful M_17 we did we cut the V berth out of and installed an oval bulkhead, custom shelves and inline potti area; with 4 bronze ports she is an amazing boat, but custom work takes time. Expect delays if you go radical on the interior. (I think BONES has a photo of that one...) We are really one of the only builders that entertain changes and options to satisfy the customer. This new Passagemaker M_17 were building (and installing a windvane on tomorrow) is going to be amazing. Other actual boat factories that produce boats for DEALERS (that Tod mentioned) like Precision and Compac are built on Factory Production lines for a large Dealership Network. Dealers who have these boats in stock can supply them right away. But ask for major changes on a future production boat and the wait will be many months. International Marine builds boats faster with more employees but those boats are piss poor sailers (upwind) and many arrive with a list of problems that are pathetic. That's not me. So try not to focus on the TIME factor. We can only go so fast. Hiring additional help is not an option because by the time you train someone the season gets slow and you have to lay them off. I can't do that. I have people that have been with me for 20 years; I keep us small and efficient on purpose. So be surprised if we hit the delivery time; which we do quite often. Be a little disappointed when we miss it; but get over it when you see your boat. Dozens of you know me; you've arrived to see me rig your boat, pack you up and shake your hand. (Heck...Gary Hyde even brought me a bottle of wine..!..Thanks Gary.!) One man bought a new M_15 from us and a new M_17 a year later.! The C word...Cushions. I inspect everyboat before it leaves for home. Scott's boat was leaving for the Bay Area early Friday morning; I was at the boatshop at 10:30 PM Thursday night, sleeping at the picnic table just inside the door, waiting for the cushion guy to arrive with the (late) promised cushions. He drove up, woke me up and I watched as he stacked them on the deck. We left. My man arrived at 3AM and hooked up the boat and slid the cushions inside the boat. I should have loaded them myself then I would have noticed they looked good but didn't have the required 'Squeeze' factor. Let's move on, shall we....? Fair winds Bob Eeg (949) 489-8227 Boat Builder

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Our Brand New Montgomery 17
by David Schuster 12 May '08

12 May '08

On February 7th my wife and I ordered a Montgomery 17 from Bob. He had it finished April 2nd; we picked it up April 19th. That's 53 days from initial order to finished boat. And we had Bob put in two oval opening ports lights with screens as well. Great job Bob! Bob was great to work with during the entire process. We live in Wyoming so ordering long distance and communicating our wishes could have been frustrating in the best of situations, but Bob make the entire process very easy and smooth. We picked up the boat on Saturday April 19 and Bob very graciously accommodated us on this day to take delivery. We had a great time being showed around his boat building facility and seeing two Montgomery 23s being built as well as another 17. He was also rebuilding a Nor'sea 27. You all know the quality of Bob's boats, it is top notch. When we first laid eyes on our boat we could not believe how beautiful she was. I still find it amazing that he could build such a great boat for such a low price. If you need a great sailboat and a great builder call Bob he will do a great job. We plan to sail her in Jackson Lake and Yellowstone Lake both in Wyoming as soon as the snow clears. David Schuster, MCSE, MCP+I Client Services for Information Technology McKee, Marburger & Fagnant, P.C. 185 South 5th Street Lander, Wyoming 82520 Bus: 307-332-4545 Fax: 307-332-3271 Dir: 307-332-1782 <mailto:davids@mmfcpa.com> davids(a)mmfcpa.com Get the latest tax information by visiting our web site: <http://www.mmfcpa.com> www.mmfcpa.com CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE This communication may contain information relative to federal tax issues. This communication is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used for the purpose of avoiding penalties that may be imposed by the Internal Revenue Service. CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE This communication and the information it contains is intended for the person or organization to whom it is addressed. Its contents are confidential. Unauthorized use, copying or disclosure of any of it may be unlawful. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact us immediately.

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Single Line Reefing and Jib Downhaul
by Tim Diebert 12 May '08

12 May '08

For whoever was interested in this two reef single line system and the jib downhaul I use. Images and explanation posted to a web page here <http://www.timtone.com/monty/singlelinereefing.htm> . I hope this helps. Have a great weekend all. Cheers, Tim D. in BC.

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Re: M17 heavy weather capabilities
by Nebwest2＠aol.com 07 May '08

07 May '08

I'd have to second Gary's observations about the M17 hatch. I'm a pretty big boy and honestly I never tried it. My 17 had the backwards opening front hatch, so even if you fit, the hatch lid would prevent you from leaning forward. In this photo you can see the hinges are on the front of the hatch and that there's no way you'd be able to work around it to deal with the luff of the jib. _http://msogphotosite.com/MSOG/b17thomps/b17thomps7.jpg_ (http://msogphotosite.com/MSOG/b17thomps/b17thomps7.jpg) On later versions and I believe the new M17's that Bob builds the hatch opens from the front... Hey Gary H.! Doesn't your hatch open from the front??? Could you manage a headsail change through it??? (http://msogphotosite.com/MSOG/b17thomps/b17thomps7.jpg) Lately, I have been experimenting for the first time ever (for me) with a simple downhaul attached to the jib/genoa head. Holly cow, why I never did this before is beyond me. I don't mind going forward and pulling a sail down when someone's on the helm but when singlehanding it's a pain. When I'm alone I try to make sure I don't overcanvass for the conditions, but if I do, now I can at least get the sail down on the deck and secure before I ever leave the relative safety of the cockpit. It also allows me to hank on a jib at the dock , and attach the halyard without worry that the halyard is going to foul something by swinging around slack before I'm ready to raise it. I just hook up the downhaul and tension the halyard. I know, I know, roller furling would solve that issue. Someday I may go back to a furler, but for now I'm happy with hank-ons. Sean **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489

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Canada sailing
by bownez＠juno.com 03 May '08

03 May '08

Tom, Wow, does THAT sound great! Bones I hope this is not too far off topic, but my reefing discussion with Tim inspires me to put in a plug for trailer sailing north of the U.S. border. The Portland "Canal" I had in mind is a fjord reaching the coast near Prince Rupert B.C. that runs almost 144 km NE to the twin border towns of Stewart B.C./Hyder Alaska. The Canal is only a couple of kilometers wide, and carries the meltwater of numerous big glaciers. The winds are fluky like lake winds, but the sailing is good, and you can carry a pot or two to get fresh Dungeness crab for dinner. The scenery is of course spectacular, and you can kiss a Grizzly if you like. We took our rig on the ferry to Vancouver Island, drove north, then ferried up part of the Inland Passage to Prince Rupert. From there it is an easy drive through the mountains to the Canal, and you can hit some great sailing lakes on the interior drive back to the U.S. (or north toward Alaska, if you like). A trip you will not forget, for sure. _____________________________________________________________ Click now to find a divorce attorney near you! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2121/fc/Ioyw6i3oG1v0msZOqF2UKSpPDoLargK…

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Re: M_Boats: Comfort and Joy
by Larry E Yake 01 May '08

01 May '08

Sleeping on a M17 when there's any wave action is an "acquired" skill. As in when you've acquired enough exhaustion, you'll finally get a little bit of fitful sleep. I guarantee 3 to 4 foot waves will keep you up all night. Not only from the noise (Which some sailors claim is "soothing". I'm from the "it's annoying" school of thought.), but also from the tossing and lurching, which I had the misfortune of enduring one very windy night anchored in Winter Cove in the Gulf Islands. The pitching would be bad enough, but throw in an occasional sideways lurch as the boat sails side to side on her anchor and there is no "rhythm" for your body to adjust to. I have an anchor riding sail, as Tim mentioned trying, and have not found that it makes a great deal of difference. Mounting it on the backstay above the bridle guys puts it too high and too far forward on such a short boat to be very effective. Perhaps another mounting method would help. I've also tried moving the anchor rode to the winch eye down on the bow, rigging a bridle from both bow cleats, raising the centerboard and/or the rudder, all to no avail. It's not a real bad swing on the M17, but no swing at all would be better. Sleeping in the cockpit is much quieter than sleeping inside. The "echo chamber" effect is gone, and the cockpit seats are nice and long, although a little narrow. I lined the sides of the V berth with 1/4" closed cell foam and antimicrobial headliner material over that to try to quiet the "chamber", but it only helped a little. The quarter berth is not fit for man nor beast. I'm slim enough to get my legs down there, but unless you're willing to spend the entire night motionless on your back, without bending your legs or rolling onto your side, it feels like a coffin. Nevertheless, I love cruising on my M17 and sleeping aboard. You just want to find a nice peaceful anchorage to get a good nights sleep. Larry Yake M17 #200 CornDog "In a power boat you get there faster, but in a sailboat you're already there." On Sun, 27 Apr 2008 17:53:26 -0400 (EDT) Joe Murphy <seagray(a)embarqmail.com> writes: > Tim, > Thanks for the info. Do you have a roller at the bow for the anchor > rode or do you use one of the chalks? I was anchored out at the > Fort Macon light house one weekend and I watched a couple next to me > doing exactly what you described. The next morning we got together > for coffee and he said he was going to have a small roller put right > off the tip of the bow. He emailed me later and told me that it > solved 90% of his problem. > > Sleeping... Is it possible to sleep in the starboard berth? > > Thanks again, > Joe > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tim Diebert" <tim(a)timtone.com> > To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2008 12:45:23 PM (GMT-0500) > America/New_York > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Comfort and Joy > > The stubbiness of the 17 means it will be a lot more frisky in any > kind of > lumpy water of course. > I find that the lapstrakes...the faux laps....tend to make a lot of > little > noises with even the slightest water action. I drives me wacky to > tell you > the truth. > Another thing I have noticed about the 17 is that she tends to > 'sail' when > on the hook. Rather than nose to wind she tends to wander back and > forth > within a 45 degree quadrant. Because of this she can get a slight > sideways > roll going at times. I am going to try a small riding sail when at > anchor > for night. > My wife an I can both sleep in the V berth....simutaineously. But it > is a > bit tight. We decided to work on the cockpit tent more and rig a big > berth > in the cockpit in the future. One in the V berth, one outside. The > tent > prototype is partway done. > When I cruise by myself it is perfectly roomy and suitable for many > days no > problem. I have also spent over a week with my wife on the > boat.....and we > are still married...though she has told me it won't be happening > again. ~:0) > > Cheers, Tim D in BC. > > -----Original Message----- > From: montgomery_boats-bounces(a)mailman.xmission.com > [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of > Joe > Murphy > Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2008 6:05 PM > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > Subject: M_Boats: Comfort and Joy > > I'm looking at the M17 as a next boat and have taken note on how > seaworthy > they are. In addition, I'm wondering what you all have to say about > > anchoring out. I like doing overnighters in and around the Beaufort > NC area > > which means a lot of 2-3 foot seas. My experiences have been aboard > a > NorSea 27. > > Thanks much, > Joe > > > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.5/1399 - Release Date: > 4/26/2008 > 2:17 PM > > > > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > >

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Re: M_Boats: swinging at anchor
by Conbert H Benneck 01 May '08

01 May '08

Hi Bert, That idea works very well, if you only have one anchor out. Another solution is to set two bow anchors in a "V". Then the boat won't swing around as much. A third solution is a small riding sail set on the back stay. It acts as an air rudder, and keeps the boat headed into the wind. Connie ----- Original Message ---- From: "Flickasf(a)aol.com" <Flickasf(a)aol.com> To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Sent: Monday, April 28, 2008 10:56:14 AM Subject: M_Boats: swinging at anchor I saw a M 17 at anchor using the following system; the vessel was not swinging in the wind. You might give it a try. The anchor rode was led off the bow and a snatch block was attached to it leading to the cockpit making bridle. The angle to the wind could there fore be adjusted. Bert Felton M 15, #365 Zephyr ************** Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp00300000002851) _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats

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Re: M_Boats: Raven
by Rmceagrella＠aol.com 30 Apr '08

30 Apr '08

Thanks Bones...you and Sean make me blush!! Guru? That's what I'll tell my wife to call me! She tends towards less elevated language when describing my work on Raven ;) Blue skies and fair winds. Rick In a message dated 4/27/2008 4:48:34 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, bownez(a)juno.com writes: Bill, Once again, another M-boat beautifully presented! Rick, I commend your splendid efforts, Raven looks fabulous! You are a restoration guru, hands down. (not to take ANYTHING away from Sean!). M-boats rock. Bones _____________________________________________________________ See Mexico for less! Click now for great vacation deals! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2121/fc/Ioyw6i3mqbsELCrel53bFemTADqTs3X… OlGxAuxVEQS1ae3zh7jb/ _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats **************Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp00300000002851)

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Re: M_Boats: swinging at anchor
by Larry E Yake 29 Apr '08

29 Apr '08

This sounds like a good idea. I think I'll try it next time I'm anchored in windy conditions. It would keep the boat on one "tack", as it were, and you could also adjust the angle to give you the most comfortable ride by quartering the waves. On Mon, 28 Apr 2008 10:56:14 EDT Flickasf(a)aol.com writes: > I saw a M 17 at anchor using the following system; the vessel was not > > swinging in the wind. You might give it a try. The anchor rode > was led off the > bow and a snatch block was attached to it leading to the cockpit > making > bridle. The angle to the wind could there fore be adjusted. > > Bert Felton > M 15, #365 > Zephyr > > > ************** > Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used > car listings at AOL Autos. > > (http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp00300000002851) > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > >

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New-guy/Old-guy / "Mature" M15
by paint4real＠aol.com 29 Apr '08

29 Apr '08

New here but long-time, original owner of Montgomery 15 #324 (“Shenanigans”), built May 1985. I’ve always loved the boat. My kids practically grew up on it and my son's now at the U.S. Merchant Marine Academy, so I guess he liked the experience well enough. I have worked hard to take care of the boat, but “family dynamics” separated me from it for three years, while it sat in a slip in warm-water Lake Travis in Austin, Texas, rarely used or maintained, baking in the Texas sun. Algae growth on the hull did lead to two haul-outs and acid washes at the marina. I got the boat back recently and, not surprisingly, it’s time for some refitting, repairs, and elbow grease. New lines all around, bulleyes, blocks, cleats, and more. The biggest disappointment was to discover gelcoat blisters, albeit most in the ¼-inch range, with a few larger ones. As soon as Minnesota’s winter ends (it snowed yesterday, and yes, that would be April 27), I’m ready to start in on that nasty little project. Since I’ll not likely ever leave the boat in a slip long-term again, I could probably just leave them, but I hate seeing them and knowing what they mean. Any thoughts on that – best to bite the bullet and get them ground out and properly filled? A few are large enough that I’m looking at an epoxy filler, while others may be fillable with just gelcoat, either laminate or a single application. I’d like to avoid bottom paint, if at all possible. All the teak is in great need of TLC. Some of it I’ll treat, clean, sand and oil (toe rails – hard to do in place, but the prospect of pulling them hasn’t entertained me yet), while other pieces will be replaced (top rails, hatchboards). I’m not getting any younger and I have to account for the value of my time, which is also limited during any given period. The fiberglass outboard motor bracket deteriorated and broke away on one side – the motor shaft had been left down in the water, and I suppose the constant wave-rocking over years’ time just eventually fatigued the glass -- so I’ll be removing that and, likely, replacing it with an adjustable bracket, so that I’m not dragging the prop while sailing. Sealant around the mast step and the through-wiring for the masthead light had shrunk, permitting moisture to drip down onto the largest cabin cushion, with damage sufficient to require replacement. If any of you have the name of whoever makes these (or did), I’d appreciate the info. Otherwise, I’ll start casting about for a local outfit to try to copy them. “Shenanigans” will be back on the water (rivers and inland lakes, Minnesota) by mid-June, likely, ready for another quarter-century’s run. I have a photo of it on the trailer just a few years ago, before it went south, and – then nearly 20 years old -- she looked about as good as when first shipped up here by Montgomery. I’m 100% sure I can bring her back to life, if not to Bristol shape, then at least to turn heads again the way she used to. Nice to find this list. Cheers, from Stillwater, Minnesota

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