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Re: M_Boats: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 61, Issue 20
by John Owens 24 Mar '08

24 Mar '08

Rodney, I do wood work for boats and have done this type of replacement work before, most recently a C & C 26. I would be glad to work with you on this if you are interested. I assume from the name of the boat that you are in Texas. What part. I am near Tyler. As has already been said, I would have to have the pieces in hand to match. You might be able to find prefabricated hand rails that would work but the other parts will definitely have to be custom made. Let me know. Feel free to contact me throught the list or through my website JOWoodworks.com JohnJohn OwensJ O Woodworks903-894-6293870 CR 3812Troup, Texas 75789www.jowoodworks.comjohn(a)jowoodworks.com> From: montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 61, Issue 20> To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 16:22:24 -0600> > Send montgomery_boats mailing list submissions to> montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit> http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to> montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com> > You can reach the person managing the list at> montgomery_boats-owner(a)mailman.xmission.com> > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific> than "Re: Contents of montgomery_boats digest..."> > > Today's Topics:> > 1. newbie (Vincent G. Gallagher)> 2. M-15 (Vincent G. Gallagher)> 3. Re: newbie (Bill Lamica)> 4. Re: newbie (Vincent G. Gallagher)> 5. New teak for Monty 17? (Rodney Holland)> 6. Re: New teak for Monty 17? (Tom Smith)> 7. Re: New teak for Monty 17? (jerry)> 8. Re: New teak for Monty 17? (jerry)> > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------> > Message: 1> Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 15:11:33 -0400> From: "Vincent G. Gallagher" <vincentg.gallagher(a)gmail.com>> Subject: M_Boats: newbie> To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Message-ID:> <ad93a8dc0803241211r18052e2ckc3e2f26bffb5a908(a)mail.gmail.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1> > Hey everyone---I am ready to get my M-15 but I read an older post that said> that someone waited a year to get theirs? Does anyone know what the average> time to get a new M-15 is? Is there anyway to find out from those who have> recently received theirs? It's important because I have a special summer> opportunity (May through July) and if I can't get my M-15 ordered and> received in a month, I may have to look closer to home (South Florida) to> find something. Any input would be REALLY helpful on this issue.> > -- > Vincent G. Gallagher, M.A.> St. Thomas University School of Law> Class of 2009> > > ------------------------------> > Message: 2> Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 15:16:04 -0400> From: "Vincent G. Gallagher" <vincentg.gallagher(a)gmail.com>> Subject: M_Boats: M-15> To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Message-ID:> <ad93a8dc0803241216q6a98b9bbn4571e00778ca0d48(a)mail.gmail.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1> > Is anyone selling at M-15 who lives east of the Mississippi River? I am down> here in South Florida.> > -- > Vincent G. Gallagher, M.A.> St. Thomas University School of Law> Class of 2009> > > ------------------------------> > Message: 3> Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 12:17:21 -0700> From: "Bill Lamica" <billamicasr(a)gmail.com>> Subject: Re: M_Boats: newbie> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats"> <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com>> Message-ID:> <3018b6c40803241217o6647f3b3g5e1f79434f182b1(a)mail.gmail.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1> > Hi Vincent,> Have you called Bob at the Montgomery Boat Shop. He sometimes has> boats in stock. If he reads this, and is not to covered up, maybe> he'll respond to the E-mail.> Bill> www.MSOGPhotoSite.com> > On 3/24/08, Vincent G. Gallagher <vincentg.gallagher(a)gmail.com> wrote:> > Hey everyone---I am ready to get my M-15 but I read an older post that said> > that someone waited a year to get theirs? Does anyone know what the average> > time to get a new M-15 is? Is there anyway to find out from those who have> > recently received theirs? It's important because I have a special summer> > opportunity (May through July) and if I can't get my M-15 ordered and> > received in a month, I may have to look closer to home (South Florida) to> > find something. Any input would be REALLY helpful on this issue.> >> > --> > Vincent G. Gallagher, M.A.> > St. Thomas University School of Law> > Class of 2009> > _______________________________________________> > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats> >> > > > ------------------------------> > Message: 4> Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 15:28:10 -0400> From: "Vincent G. Gallagher" <vincentg.gallagher(a)gmail.com>> Subject: Re: M_Boats: newbie> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats"> <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com>> Message-ID:> <ad93a8dc0803241228x50e5bfd7x7b684b4c9d731059(a)mail.gmail.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1> > thanks----I just sent him an e-mail asking him--> > On Mon, Mar 24, 2008 at 3:17 PM, Bill Lamica <billamicasr(a)gmail.com> wrote:> > > Hi Vincent,> > Have you called Bob at the Montgomery Boat Shop. He sometimes has> > boats in stock. If he reads this, and is not to covered up, maybe> > he'll respond to the E-mail.> > Bill> > www.MSOGPhotoSite.com> >> > On 3/24/08, Vincent G. Gallagher <vincentg.gallagher(a)gmail.com> wrote:> > > Hey everyone---I am ready to get my M-15 but I read an older post that> > said> > > that someone waited a year to get theirs? Does anyone know what the> > average> > > time to get a new M-15 is? Is there anyway to find out from those who> > have> > > recently received theirs? It's important because I have a special summer> > > opportunity (May through July) and if I can't get my M-15 ordered and> > > received in a month, I may have to look closer to home (South Florida)> > to> > > find something. Any input would be REALLY helpful on this issue.> > >> > > --> > > Vincent G. Gallagher, M.A.> > > St. Thomas University School of Law> > > Class of 2009> > > _______________________________________________> > > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats> > >> >> > _______________________________________________> > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats> >> > > > -- > Vincent G. Gallagher, M.A.> St. Thomas University School of Law> Class of 2009> > > ------------------------------> > Message: 5> Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 17:09:29 -0500> From: "Rodney Holland" <rodh(a)earthlink.net>> Subject: M_Boats: New teak for Monty 17?> To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Message-ID: <380-22008312422929763(a)earthlink.net>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII> > Do any of you owners know whether it is possible to order new exterior teak replacement pieces for a 1977 17 from Montgomery boats? Would these pieces be standard enough year to year that I could be confident they would fit the same screw holes, etc? I’m cursed with the love of properly cared for and varnished bright work and want to have that on our new boat(named it Texas Doghouse, maybe I’ll share that story one evening with you). The teak that is there is in really bad shape, and to properly do the hand rails, they will have to be sanded down so much that I don’t think they could be trusted for their original purpose. They are already way too thin and need probably an eighth of an inch of sanding to get them smooth in some places.> > Again, I don’t know how standard these things are, but mine has the rails, the companionway hatches, the pieces on each side and bottom of the companionway opening, and there 3 or 4 strips along the top of the sliding hatch that would dress things up nicely if replaced. I think that’s it.> > Anyone think I can get this done?> > > > Rodney Holland> rodh(a)earthlink.net> EarthLink Revolves Around You.> > ------------------------------> > Message: 6> Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 15:17:19 -0700> From: "Tom Smith" <openboatt(a)gmail.com>> Subject: Re: M_Boats: New teak for Monty 17?> To: rodh(a)earthlink.net, "For and about Montgomery Sailboats"> <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com>> Message-ID:> <4e8a689b0803241517g6d94d065j21b45fcf3a386237(a)mail.gmail.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1> > It's probably easiest to just fabricate the bits and pieces yourself,> Rodney. Probably not critical you use teak--I believe the Mboats have> their fair share of mahogany trim on them too. Just use your old> stuff for patterns and go for it... t> > Tom & Jane> M17 dharma bum> > > > ------------------------------> > Message: 7> Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 14:22:16 -0800> From: "jerry" <jerry(a)jerrymontgomery.org>> Subject: Re: M_Boats: New teak for Monty 17?> To: <rodh(a)earthlink.net>, "For and about Montgomery Sailboats"> <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com>> Message-ID: <8B7DD60693714CD8ABA36A4B5579BF29@jerrym>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"> > Rodney- Not only are the wood parts not the same from boat-to-boat but we> made a change in 81 and they are totally different after that. I'd suggest> that you take off the parts and take them to a cabinet shop and have them> duplicated. You can match up the screw holes by holding the new peice in> place, running a drill in one of the end holes, running in a screw fro9m the> bottom, doing the other end the same, then drilling the rest of the holes.> Take the end screw out, dust everything off, bed it (polyurethane- NOT> silicone) and then run in all the screws. In other words, you use the screw> holes in the deck as the pilots.> > > Jerry> jerrymontgomery.org> > ----- Original Message -----> From: "Rodney Holland" <rodh(a)earthlink.net>> To: <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com>> Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 2:09 PM> Subject: M_Boats: New teak for Monty 17?> > > > Do any of you owners know whether it is possible to order new exterior> teak replacement pieces for a 1977 17 from Montgomery boats? Would these> pieces be standard enough year to year that I could be confident they would> fit the same screw holes, etc? I'm cursed with the love of properly cared> for and varnished bright work and want to have that on our new boat(named it> Texas Doghouse, maybe I'll share that story one evening with you). The teak> that is there is in really bad shape, and to properly do the hand rails,> they will have to be sanded down so much that I don't think they could be> trusted for their original purpose. They are already way too thin and need> probably an eighth of an inch of sanding to get them smooth in some places.> >> > Again, I don't know how standard these things are, but mine has the rails,> the companionway hatches, the pieces on each side and bottom of the> companionway opening, and there 3 or 4 strips along the top of the sliding> hatch that would dress things up nicely if replaced. I think that's it.> >> > Anyone think I can get this done?> >> >> >> > Rodney Holland> > rodh(a)earthlink.net> > EarthLink Revolves Around You.> > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------> ----> > > > _______________________________________________> > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats> >> > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------> ----> > > No virus found in this incoming message.> Checked by AVG.> Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.21.8/1339 - Release Date: 3/22/2008> 4:43 PM> > > > > > ------------------------------> > Message: 8> Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 14:23:13 -0800> From: "jerry" <jerry(a)jerrymontgomery.org>> Subject: Re: M_Boats: New teak for Monty 17?> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats"> <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com>> Message-ID: <EE3455A82CF54638A7D6B8051749DA25@jerrym>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"> > Only people from Idaho use mahogany, Tom.> > Jerry> jerrymontgomery.org> > ----- Original Message -----> From: "Tom Smith" <openboatt(a)gmail.com>> To: <rodh(a)earthlink.net>; "For and about Montgomery Sailboats"> <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com>> Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 2:17 PM> Subject: Re: M_Boats: New teak for Monty 17?> > > > It's probably easiest to just fabricate the bits and pieces yourself,> > Rodney. Probably not critical you use teak--I believe the Mboats have> > their fair share of mahogany trim on them too. Just use your old> > stuff for patterns and go for it... t> >> > Tom & Jane> > M17 dharma bum> >> > _______________________________________________> > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats> >> >> > --> > No virus found in this incoming message.> > Checked by AVG.> > Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.21.8/1339 - Release Date: 3/22/2008> 4:43 PM> >> >> > > > > ------------------------------> > _______________________________________________> montgomery_boats mailing list> montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats> > > End of montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 61, Issue 20> ************************************************ _________________________________________________________________ Test your Star IQ http://club.live.com/red_carpet_reveal.aspx?icid=redcarpet_HMTAGMAR

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Re: M_Boats: newbie
by Ben Smith 24 Mar '08

24 Mar '08

I second that emotion. I am up here in Massachusetts and am about to give up on my search for a used Monty and get something a little less hard to find. > Is anyone selling at M-15 who lives east of the Mississippi River? I am down > here in South Florida. _________________________________________________________________ How well do you know your celebrity gossip? http://originals.msn.com/thebigdebate?ocid=T002MSN03N0707A

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M-15
by Vincent G. Gallagher 24 Mar '08

24 Mar '08

Is anyone selling at M-15 who lives east of the Mississippi River? I am down here in South Florida. -- Vincent G. Gallagher, M.A. St. Thomas University School of Law Class of 2009

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Re: M_Boats: M-15 sails
by JDavies104＠aol.com 24 Mar '08

24 Mar '08

I have a 2005 M-17 which I bought last summer from the original owner - it came with Elliot-Pattison sails as original equipment, and they are first-rate in both construction and performance. I have a furling genoa on order from them now which should come in the mail this week. Their lead time a month ago was around four to six weeks. My contact with the company during the buying operation through Harry Pattison was great - he was very helpful (and patient) in answering questions and volunteering useful information. Rick ************** Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom0…)

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M-15 sails
by jim sadler 21 Mar '08

21 Mar '08

Any of you skippers have sails made in southern California? I would like to get sails from local business. Thanks Capt'n James A Sadler M-15 Pelican

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Re: M_Boats: New Sails
by Wcpritchett＠aol.com 20 Mar '08

20 Mar '08

Don't take my previous post being about what a sail maker knows or doesn't know. It was to point out that blown out sails can't be used for an exact pattern. Sail makers know it but those who aren't in the trade don't. It doesn't produce 100% duplicates as when new. Sail makers cut the shape to what they estimate the stretched/shrunk material was when new. It's the same as using old dodgers, bimini tops, etc for patterns...nobody (in the trade) considers them accurate or uses them for patterns. In my humble opinion it's better just to tell the sail maker what boat it is and let him ask questions to cut sails that suit your needs. Most lofts (since the 1970's) plug the mfg's sail plan plus other desired numbers into a computer program for panel dimensions...and local lofts know what cuts work in local conditions best. Bill P. **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom0…)

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Photo site brochures
by Larry E Yake 20 Mar '08

20 Mar '08

I just discovered a fantastic resource right on the MSOG photo-site. Maybe it's been there a while and I just didn't notice, but Bill Lamica has compiled a collection of about 150 marine brochures on just the type of sailboats that most Monty owners would be interested in. Great stuff for dreaming or getting info on a boat you might be thinking about. Good job, Bill! The photo sites new look is great. Larry

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Re: M_Boats: New Sails
by Bonnie Kostka 19 Mar '08

19 Mar '08

Can you give me an idea of the cost of a set of new sails and what material should they be made out of? Bonnie Kostka M15 montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com wrote: Send montgomery_boats mailing list submissions to montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com You can reach the person managing the list at montgomery_boats-owner(a)mailman.xmission.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of montgomery_boats digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Stepping M-17 mast (Rodney Holland) 2. stepping M 17 Mast (Rodney Holland) 3. Re: stepping M 17 Mast (Howard Audsley) 4. Re: stepping M 17 Mast (Tom Jenkins) 5. Re: stepping M 17 Mast (Tim Diebert) 6. M-15 sails (jim sadler) 7. Re: M-15 sails (wcampion(a)aol.com) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 07:40:53 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: Rodney Holland Subject: M_Boats: Stepping M-17 mast To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Message-ID: <28608875.1205325653787.JavaMail.root(a)elwamui-wigeon.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 I joined your group about six weeks ago and have continued to read and enjoy your postings during that time but didn't post myself much because I had a delay in going to Alabama to pick my 17 up. If all goes well I'll be bringing it back to Texas and launching it next Tuesday. I plan to keep it in the water at our lake house so I won't be trailer sailing it much. It has been more years than I want to recall since I stepped a mast on a boat. Can any of you give me pointers or tips? I'll have my wife helping me so there will be 4 hands and one ample brain(hers). I glanced around in the archives and website but didn't come across any information. I'll bet that has to be there but I didn't come across it. Happy sailing! ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 13:29:31 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: Rodney Holland Subject: M_Boats: stepping M 17 Mast To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Message-ID: <23529337.1205346571331.JavaMail.root(a)elwamui-muscovy.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 I knew there had to be something of value related to stepping the mast at the Montgomery website. I spent my lunch looking around and found a checklist someone had put there under the "Owner's info" tab I believe. I'm sure that will be helpful. If anyone has words of wisdom to help this go smoothly though please sing out. My bride didn't want the boat anyway so anything to help the inaugural launch go smoothly will be appreciated! (Heck, it was here family that got me hooked on sailing for the 1st time 30 years ago!) ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 14:38:33 -0500 From: Howard Audsley Subject: Re: M_Boats: stepping M 17 Mast To: Rodney Holland , For and about Montgomery Sailboats Message-ID: <0715e02d987e35359057139f75c7b45d(a)tranquility.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed I'll relate what I do and I do it alone, so it works for me. If you have help, it's real easy and no stress at all on the beer wench. Assuming the mast is pinned to the mast support bracket, and mast crutch still in place (instead of rudder), and side stays hooked on and loose, so they don't bind, I put a snatch block on the forward fixture where the jib tack will be attached (right behind the pin for the forestay). A line (spare halyard or long dock line) hooks to the jib halyard, runs through the block and back to the cockpit. I put two wraps around the sheet winch (not the wench - remember, I do this alone). When I'm ready to hoist the mast, I have the line from the front handy, then push the mast up as far as I can with both hands...to the point of standing on the cockpit seats, then holding the mast up with one hand, use the other to gather in the slack so that the line is now holding the mast up. If you drop the mast holding hand, the line really tightens, but the mast doesn't drop much. I can then move forward a bit, raise some more mast, tighten, etc. About halfway up (45 degrees) you can then hoist it on up with the line alone. The shrouds (side stays) keep it from falling off to either side and the backstay stops it vertical. Tie off the line to the jib sheet cleats, then calmly walk forward to pin the forestay. Once that is pinned, tighten the turnbuckle to tension the rig. Do this procedure backwards to drop the mast. If you start out with about 3 wraps on the sheet winch, you can start letting out a little slack and the mast will start inching down. Past 45 degrees, that line will really tighten up, but you can eventually catch it to let it down easy. As is well documented, the M17 likes a good deal of mast rake. I'd guess if you hang a weight from the main halyard, it should hang out about 4 to 6 inches or so from the main tack on the gooseneck (assuming the boat is level.....put a level on the cockpit seats to level the boat while on the trailer). The right amount of mast rake will give you a little weather helm and she will point higher. That can be found on the msog.org site. Good luck and if this process blows up, I don't know where you heard it from! Howard M17 #278 "Audasea" On Mar 12, 2008, at 1:29 PM, Rodney Holland wrote: > I knew there had to be something of value related to stepping the mast > at the Montgomery website. I spent my lunch looking around and found a > checklist someone had put there under the "Owner's info" tab I > believe. I'm sure that will be helpful. If anyone has words of wisdom > to help this go smoothly though please sing out. My bride didn't want > the boat anyway so anything to help the inaugural launch go smoothly > will be appreciated! (Heck, it was here family that got me hooked on > sailing for the 1st time 30 years ago!) > > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 13:04:33 -0700 From: "Tom Jenkins" Subject: Re: M_Boats: stepping M 17 Mast To: "'Rodney Holland'" , "'For and about Montgomery Sailboats'" Message-ID: <0JXM0016SVWWS6S1(a)vms040.mailsrvcs.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Rodney, I imagine it is the same thing you saw, but the MSOG site has a "How to and Specs" box, and the first subbox is "Hints, Tips, Advice.....". Under that is "mast raising and cradle systems" with "Mast raising: from the archives" containing a bunch of info. As usual, Montgomery owners are inventive. Sorry if this was redundant. Tom Jenkins M17 Scintilla -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces(a)mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Rodney Holland Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 11:30 AM To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: M_Boats: stepping M 17 Mast I knew there had to be something of value related to stepping the mast at the Montgomery website. I spent my lunch looking around and found a checklist someone had put there under the "Owner's info" tab I believe. I'm sure that will be helpful. If anyone has words of wisdom to help this go smoothly though please sing out. My bride didn't want the boat anyway so anything to help the inaugural launch go smoothly will be appreciated! (Heck, it was here family that got me hooked on sailing for the 1st time 30 years ago!) _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 20:45:48 -0700 From: "Tim Diebert" Subject: Re: M_Boats: stepping M 17 Mast To: "'For and about Montgomery Sailboats'" Message-ID: <006101c884bc$ba2b5820$2e820860$@com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I use almost the same system as Howard except for one added piece of gear. I made a gin pole to gain some leverage on the tackle. I found the connecting points at the stem head and mast head were not giving me a comfortable control on the mast. By adding the triangulation I gained a lot of control and power. It does add to the time factor....but I can live with 10 minutes or so. Also, I have a pretty heavy tack shackle on the stemhead fitting so that makes it handy to just clip into the lower mainsheet block shackle. I then run the sheet through the jib halyard turning block and then onto the wench....I mean winch. Tim D Howard:I'll relate what I do and I do it alone, so it works for me. If you have help, it's real easy and no stress at all on the beer wench. Assuming the mast is pinned to the mast support bracket, and mast crutch still in place (instead of rudder), and side stays hooked on and loose, so they don't bind, I put a snatch block on the forward fixture where the jib tack will be attached (right behind the pin for the forestay). A line (spare halyard or long dock line) hooks to the jib halyard, runs through the block and back to the cockpit. I put two wraps around the sheet winch (not the wench - remember, I do this alone). When I'm ready to hoist the mast, I have the line from the front handy, then push the mast up as far as I can with both hands...to the point of standing on the cockpit seats, then holding the mast up with one hand, use the other to gather in the slack so that the line is now holding the mast up. If you drop the mast holding hand, the line really tightens, but the mast doesn't drop much. I can then move forward a bit, raise some more mast, tighten, etc. About halfway up (45 degrees) you can then hoist it on up with the line alone. The shrouds (side stays) keep it from falling off to either side and the backstay stops it vertical. Tie off the line to the jib sheet cleats, then calmly walk forward to pin the forestay. Once that is pinned, tighten the turnbuckle to tension the rig. Do this procedure backwards to drop the mast. If you start out with about 3 wraps on the sheet winch, you can start letting out a little slack and the mast will start inching down. Past 45 degrees, that line will really tighten up, but you can eventually catch it to let it down easy. As is well documented, the M17 likes a good deal of mast rake. I'd guess if you hang a weight from the main halyard, it should hang out about 4 to 6 inches or so from the main tack on the gooseneck (assuming the boat is level.....put a level on the cockpit seats to level the boat while on the trailer). The right amount of mast rake will give you a little weather helm and she will point higher. That can be found on the msog.org site. Good luck and if this process blows up, I don't know where you heard it from! Howard M17 #278 "Audasea" On Mar 12, 2008, at 1:29 PM, Rodney Holland wrote: > I knew there had to be something of value related to stepping the mast > at the Montgomery website. I spent my lunch looking around and found a > checklist someone had put there under the "Owner's info" tab I > believe. I'm sure that will be helpful. If anyone has words of wisdom > to help this go smoothly though please sing out. My bride didn't want > the boat anyway so anything to help the inaugural launch go smoothly > will be appreciated! (Heck, it was here family that got me hooked on > sailing for the 1st time 30 years ago!) > > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.518 / Virus Database: 269.21.7/1327 - Release Date: 3/12/2008 1:27 PM ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 23:56:30 -0700 From: "jim sadler" Subject: M_Boats: M-15 sails To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Skippers Where are you skippers getting new sails for M-15? Capt'n Jim Sadler M-15 sailing vessel Pelican ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 06:25:35 -0400 From: wcampion(a)aol.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: M-15 sails To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Message-ID: <8CA53D4DFD6C3DB-12C0-2681(a)MBLK-M03.sysops.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Jim ? I am in the process of purchasing a new set of sails from Bill Tosh from East Texas.? He's a Monty owner and a member of this list.? His?email address is billt(a)eastex.net.? Skip Campion M15 - #201 Wild Guppy -----Original Message----- From: jim sadler To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Sent: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 2:56 am Subject: M_Boats: M-15 sails Skippers Where are you skippers getting new sails for M-15? Capt'n Jim Sadler M-15 sailing vessel Pelican _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ montgomery_boats mailing list montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats End of montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 61, Issue 10 ************************************************

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M-15 sails
by Karsten Brooks 18 Mar '08

18 Mar '08

Several years ago, I had Ullman make a beautiful main for a Newport 17 I restored. They were very attentive, and I was thrilled with the outcome. They had a loft in SoCal at the time... here's a link: http://www.ullmansails.com/lofts.html#top Karsten (M-15 #236) --- montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com wrote: > Send montgomery_boats mailing list submissions to > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, > visit > > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > or, via email, send a message with subject or body > 'help' to > montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > montgomery_boats-owner(a)mailman.xmission.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it > is more specific > than "Re: Contents of montgomery_boats digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Running rigging diameter (Gary M Hyde) > 2. M-15 sails (jim sadler) > 3. Re: M-15 sails (Wcpritchett(a)aol.com) > 4. Re: M-15 sails (jslubliner(a)aol.com) > 5. Re: Stern Pulpit M-15 (Gary M Hyde) > 6. Re: New Sails (lance ransom) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 16:18:59 -1000 > From: Gary M Hyde <gmhyde1(a)mac.com> > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Running rigging diameter > To: "Montgomery Sailboats <For and about Montgomery > Sailboats" > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Message-ID: > <50145441-A79C-4A4B-9983-4E4397D56C1C(a)mac.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; > format=flowed; delsp=yes > > Go: > What material did U use for those 3/16" lines, > please? > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Mar 17, 2008, at 1:26 PM, GILASAILR(a)aol.com > wrote: > > > Now I have to reply, all my halyards are 3/16" or > 4 mm. > > > > The light genoa sheets are also 3/16 and not very > friendly but they > > are > > hydrophobic and very light. > > Reef line - 3/16 > > Main Haly - 3/16 > > Headsail halys(2) - 3/16 > > Mainsheet tails are also 3/16 at the split. > > The working loads for this cordage is generally > greater than the total > > weight of a M-17. > > No problems to date. > > M-17 #316a LB/GF! > > GO > > > > > > > > **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and > advice on AOL > > Money & > > Finance. > (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) > > _______________________________________________ > > > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 19:55:29 -0700 > From: "jim sadler" <jimsadler(a)jascopacific.com> > Subject: M_Boats: M-15 sails > To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Message-ID: > > <ef4da6b20803171955i7a28eec1y8865857af75e9803(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Any of you skippers have sails made in southern > California? I would like to > get sails from local business. > > Thanks > > Capt'n James A Sadler M-15 Pelican > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 23:20:37 EDT > From: Wcpritchett(a)aol.com > Subject: Re: M_Boats: M-15 sails > To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > Message-ID: <bcb.26c1b60f.35108f05(a)aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > Is Schock Sailmakers still in business? They made > Monty sails back in the > 1970s. > > > > **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and > advice on AOL Money & > Finance. > (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 00:40:21 -0400 > From: jslubliner(a)aol.com > Subject: Re: M_Boats: M-15 sails > To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > Message-ID: > <8CA56C94EFFCA93-59C-3FBC(a)webmail-ne15.sysops.aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > I had four sails built and many of the old original > boat sails for my?Flush Deck 17 repaired by Ullman > in San Diego. They were excellent to work with, > reasonable in price and very helpful. They shipped > my stuff back and forth from SD to Tucson and I > would recommend them highly. Tom is?my contact. > > -----Original Message----- > From: jim sadler <jimsadler(a)jascopacific.com> > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Sent: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 7:55 pm > Subject: M_Boats: M-15 sails > > > > Any of you skippers have sails made in southern > California? I would like to > get sails from local business. > > Thanks > > Capt'n James A Sadler M-15 Pelican > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 21:25:00 -1000 > From: Gary M Hyde <gmhyde1(a)mac.com> > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Stern Pulpit M-15 > To: "Montgomery Sailboats <For and about Montgomery > Sailboats" > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Message-ID: > <2A851EAD-75F4-4D6F-9A8B-346564DE77AC(a)mac.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; > format=flowed; delsp=yes > > Jim: > I'll be home in April & will try to dig some out. > Sold the boat in 2006. > Gary > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Mar 17, 2008, at 8:38 AM, jim sadler > <jimsadler(a)jascopacific.com> > wrote: > > > G > > Sounds interesting > > > > Do you have any pics? > > > > Thanks > > > > Jim S > > > > On Sun, Mar 16, 2008 at 2:47 PM, Gary M Hyde > <gmhyde1(a)mac.com> === message truncated === ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! 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Stern Pulpit M-15
by jim sadler 18 Mar '08

18 Mar '08

Skippers Have any of you installed a stern pulpit? How difficult is it? It sure seems like a nice addition. Capt'n James Sadler skipper sailing vessel Pelican M-15

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