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Dauntless to race in Leukemia Cup
by Nebwest2＠aol.com 11 Jan '08

11 Jan '08

The crew of Dauntless will be taking her to the Lake Pleasant, AZ to race in the Arizona Yacht Club's Leukemia Cup Regatta next week. If you are not familiar with Leukemia Cups, they are run across the country and are a major fundraiser for the Leukemia/Lymphoma Society. The LLS raises funds to support research to search for a cure for these devastating diseases as well as funds that operate support programs for families that are dealing with the gut wrenching reality that a family member is in a fight for their life. I have raced in this event before strictly as a racer, not a fundraiser, as that is an option. You can just pay a fee and participate in the race. This year however, a lifelong friend of mine got the news that his 10 year old son has an extremely rare case of Leukemia. Over the past two months I have witnessed how their lives have been turned upside down and marvel at how their family bonds have kept them going, even through 43 straight days in the pediatric ICU unit in Las Vegas, Nevada. Things are going better for them right now but their child is still going through chemotherapy and the long term outcome is unknown. After witnessing the aftermath of a diagnosis such as this I decided that even though I am always hesitant to ask others for donations I would do my best to assist the LLS as best I could. Last year nearly 100 boats participated in the event and I believe the amount raised was nearly $78,000. Wow! I have already been in contact with some of you through other channels that we communicate through and the response has been awesome, Thank you so much from the bottom of my heart for supporting our endeavor. To anyone else that might want to make a contribution to the LLS through Dauntless' participation in the Leukemia Cup, there is a website set up which allows you to make a secure online donation. The link to the site is: _http://www.active.com/donate/leukemiacupdms/Dauntless_ (http://www.active.com/donate/leukemiacupdms/Dauntless) I hope that posting a request for donations does not offend anyone. I thought long and hard before posting this on here and I will only post the request once. The overwhelming support we've been given in such a short time is what made me decide to go for it. 100% of any donation goes straight to the LLS directly. All entry fees, race fees, food, lodging etc, is the responsibility of each participant and any awards given away at the event are donated. Thanks for allowing me to post. I love this group. Any and all support is greatly appreciated. Sean **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489

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Winter decisions
by JDavies104＠aol.com 11 Jan '08

11 Jan '08

After sailing M-17 #633 for several months last season, I am in the process of coming to decisions as to how (or if) I would like to modify it for the coming season. I will be sailing most of the time solo, mostly on the Potomac River, but also at times on the Chesapeake Bay. I would also like to race in the local cruising class races. I have 85% and 109% hank-on headsails, but no genoa. My main concern is easy main reefing, but headsails can also be a problem when alone. As an M-boat novice, I'd like to solicit opinions and advice, for which I give my thanks in advance. Here are my options: Headsails: 1) Make no changes, 2) add a 150% hank-on genoa for racing and light airs or 3) put on a roller-reefer with a 130% genny and sell my hank-on sails. Furler: Ease and safety in reducing headsail area when single-handing (most of my sailing). Keeps me off the foredeck. However, less efficiency in headsail performance when partially furled, which would probably be most of the time. I've heard that furlers can fail when you need them most, but present-day designs seem to be reliable. Hank-on sails: Probably I would start with the 109% most of the time. How often would I actually have to change to the 85%, assuming I can easily reef the main? Probably would not start with the 150% very often, since single-handing it will be overpowered in not too much wind, and I want to avoid changing sails when alone. Racing, I will have a crew, and can therefore use the big genny. 2) Reefing - I have seen (Gary O's, for example) neat single-line reefing systems which involve leading the reefing line to the base of the mast and round to the cockpit. How much in ease of operation and performance would I give up by terminating the reefing line at a cleat on the boom after a turning cheek block at the tack? How about falling back to separate lines at tack and clew, both terminated on the boom? Being able to reef the main when alone is probably my most important task. Just trying to make it easy. Any inputs would be appreciated. Thanks, Rick ************** Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489

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yellow
by alien 10 Jan '08

10 Jan '08

Me too land it's m,y color, beautiful boat

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Rick/water in bildge of Blue Bird
by Rick Langer 10 Jan '08

10 Jan '08

Bert, You know, that could be my problem also. Unlike what John describes ("I noted a trickle of water running down the vertical midship support between the bilge and bridge deck.") I've checked that area and it was never wet. It's natural to think that with all the water coming in and out of the cockpit right above that spot that it must be getting in there. At times when I suspected it was rain water I almost tasted it, but I wasn't brave enough. The possibility of it coming in through the bottom of the keel sounds likely. Connie told me a story about not being able to find a leak and Jerry told him to try it in reverse. So he added some amount of water to the inside of the boat and laid down under the boat until he found the leak. I be interested in knowing if that repair solves the problem. I will try Connie's trick, but if I recall correctly, when I get home after each cruise, there's water in the little sump in the bilge. If it came in that way I would think it would also leave that way by the time I got home. Rick > Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 15:31:40 EST > From: Flickasf(a)aol.com > Subject: M_Boats: Rick/water in bildge of Blue Bird > To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > Message-ID: <bdd.21c1277e.34b537ac(a)aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > Rick, > How is the water getting in your bildge? You might want to check the > underside of your "keel trunk" to make sure it's completely sealed. I > have to > grind mine out a bit and then epoxy it. > > Bert Felton > M 15,#365 > Zephyr >

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Re: Crew capacity
by John R. Butler 09 Jan '08

09 Jan '08

In Rick's 1/8/08 post, he mentions: "However, sometimes a small amount manages to find it's way into the bilge." I believe that is the same thing I asked about in this 12/28/07 post under "Re: A Leak HELP! While on a lovely late-December sail, fine westerlies, air and water both about fifty degrees, I left "Wanda" (Navico TP-10) on watch and went below to answer that lady's call. It was then I noted a trickle of water running down the vertical midship support between the bilge and bridge deck. Where is it coming from? How can I stop it? My first M15 "Joy" used to accumulate water in her bilge after a good sail, and I never did find the source. Now I have a clue, but not the solution. Who does? "Rejoyce!" awaits the voice of experience." Of course that water winds up in the bilge, and can't be water that came in from the cockpit. So where does it come from? Now there are at least three old M15s (my #264 "Joy", Rick's #337 "Bluebird", and my #361 "Rejoyce!") that have this mysterious appearance of water in the bilge. How does it get there? HELP! .--.-. | ( ( )__ \ _ / (_, \ ) ,_) | -== (_) ==- -'--`--' /|\ / \ / | \ | ^^ / | \ / | \ ^^ /361| \ / | \ / | \ ^^ / | \ ___/____| \ ______|_ \ ___ _______/ ==== \___\___/ | “MONTGOMERY 15” / ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~^~~^=~^~~-=~^~^~=~^~=~~^~= ~^~=~~^=~^~~^~^=~^~-~^~~^~= ^~=~^~=~~^~~=~~=~^~=~~^~~^~^^ John Butler - First M15 was #264

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M-15 Capacity...
by Louis Aliotta 09 Jan '08

09 Jan '08

Thanks to all for the input on my question of weight capacity on my M15. The water I experience in the cockpit is just slight as Rick mentioned. I found your comments to be very helpful... Lou Aliotta

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Re: M_Boats: Re: Split Tail mainsheets
by GILASAILR＠aol.com 09 Jan '08

09 Jan '08

John, If the tails of the 'Split tail' are adjustable - the height of the triangle is adjustable. The easier thing to do is to find the height at which the triangle should be 95% of the time and FIX the tails at this position. (mine are tied off) then the 'Triangle' can be effectively lowered by using more Boom Vang - vang off triangle up - vang on -triangle down, the leech of the sail opens and closes as the vang comes off and on, so the mainsail no longer is tring to do THREE things, - leech tension, boom positioning and angle of attack - my version of the K.I.S.S. gig. I used to sail a Penguin -they were the most complicated three stay rig on a dinghy, - mast rotation, mast limit, rake, shrouds are adjustable at the deck -fore and aft on track, mast step etc. Cool -lotsa 'strings' - then I discovered you can be out of tune a far greater percentage of the time and the benefit realized by the 'ultimate tuning' is freq. outweighed by the fact the boat is more often than not out of proper tune. Silly - So I decided to simplify - remove traveler- etc. This is what the Non-adjustable split tail does for me. Take Care, Have Fun Gary O. **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489

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Re: M_Boats: Crew Capacity...
by JDavies104＠aol.com 09 Jan '08

09 Jan '08

The M-17 I got last summer (#633) has seacocks installed in the cockpit drain lines. With them open, water does splash into the cockpit a little, particularly in a following chop. It drains back out, and is only a minor irritation. Close them up and is stays dry at all times. I've never taken on any real water over the side or bow, but if I did I'd want to open them up quick. Rick ************** Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489

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Rick/water in bildge of Blue Bird
by Flickasf＠aol.com 08 Jan '08

08 Jan '08

Rick, How is the water getting in your bildge? You might want to check the underside of your "keel trunk" to make sure it's completely sealed. I have to grind mine out a bit and then epoxy it. Bert Felton M 15,#365 Zephyr ************** Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489

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Crew Capacity...
by Louis Aliotta 08 Jan '08

08 Jan '08

Has anyone had any experience with 3 crew members on the M15. I would like to take 3 people out but I am not that familiar with what I might experience. 2 people are around 170lbs each and one is about 230lbs. If I keep the heavier person in the center and balance out myself and the other person would I be alright? One of my concerns is the water that enters the cockpit at times when extra weight is added. Please let me know if anyone has experience or advice about this. Lou

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