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hello all
by Dan Mostue 16 Aug '06

16 Aug '06

Hi, My name is Dan Mostue. I am 54 years old. I live in St. Paul, Minnesota. I do not sail...yet. I subscribed to this mail list to learn all I can about Montgomery boats. I have been scouring the internet and reading everything I can about them. About 10 years ago I took a sailing class and while it was interesting, I didn't follow thru with it, I wasn't really ready. I think I may be now. Montgomery boats interest me because of the quality and performance I've been reading about. I like the idea of a trailer sailor. I am probably most interested in a good to excellent condition M-15. But this is all very preliminary as I have really just started my investigation. I look forward to reading your posts. Thanks. J. Daniel Mostue

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Montgomery 15 and 17 for sale
by Rick Langer 16 Aug '06

16 Aug '06

The Sept/Oct issue of SCA has an M15 for sale in Connecticut, roller furling, new 3.5 hp Johnson, easy loader trailer, good condition, $4800. 860-569-7181. No mention of year. The same issue has an M17 #387, fully maintained in pristine condition, with new Honda. $8500 OBO. 917-796-6456 This boat which was listed last year, same specs and price is located on Long Island, NY. I spoke to the owner then. He mentioned some modification that was made that I didn't particularly like, so I never pursued it further. I think it had something to do with the windows, sorry I can't remember. The add doesn't mention a trailer, maybe that was it. Robbin, this is 4 hours closer to you than Westport Point, MA. Maybe it would interest you? Rick Langer M15 #337 Bluebird

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Garmin Fishfinder Redux
by Rick Langer 16 Aug '06

16 Aug '06

Thanks for the help guys. Bill I did see Norm's installation and he's given me advice via offlist email. Between a recent conversation with a Garmin tech and Norm, I'm thinking that maybe the paint on the inside of the hull is inhibiting the transducer. I have sanded the paint off and will try the silicone method there. Also, Bill, Garmin doesn't make a round transducer for my unit. The technician said that the round pucks they make for other units would not be more effective than the transducer I have. He said it should work on a solid hull up to 5/8" thick. Edward, I did try the method that you mentioned, but again it was with the painted hull. I think next I try silicone like I mentioned above. I hope it works, but it's good to know that you have found an external mount the works. Thanks William. I keep you all posted on my progress. Yours for a fair tide, Rick

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Re: M_Boats: Yamaha Outboard motor problem
by LUDLOWD2＠aol.com 15 Aug '06

15 Aug '06

Tim: the other day I laid my Honda 4-stroke on the dock on the wrong side. I noticed it immediately and turned it over but in the 8 seconds or so, oil leaked into the cylinder. I stood it up and found there was no oil showing in the sightglass. Oops! I took the motor to the house and drained the oil, measuring the amount. It was an ounce low. I then proceded to remove the plug and hand cycled the piston to "pump" any oil out of the cylinder. I then filled the crankcase with the proper quantity of fresh oil and fired her up on the stand. honda 2 HP's are air-cooled so you can run them out of the water. after a minute of smokey exhaust, the exhaust ran clear and the problem was solved. I will be a lot more careful in the future when laying the motor down to make sure that it is on the correct side. Don Ludlow M-15 #620 Sweet Dream

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Re: M_Boats:
by LUDLOWD2＠aol.com 15 Aug '06

15 Aug '06

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what to look for/at in a 1975 M-17
by Nebwest2＠aol.com 15 Aug '06

15 Aug '06

I will give a hearty second to Shawn's suggestion of hiring a surveyor if you are not comfortable inspecting the boat on your own. And if you need an example of when and where the cost of a marine surveyor would have been a bargain...you need not look any further than......ME! :-) Sean

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Groaning M15
by Bobbie Mayer 15 Aug '06

15 Aug '06

Yesterday we sailed my M15 about six miles downwind and downcurrent, most of the way wing and wing, and at one point heard kind of a groaning sound which sounded like it was coming from the cabin. (Sort of like sea lions make.) Any idea what could be making it? Bobbie --

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Garmin Fishfinder Redux
by Rick Langer 15 Aug '06

15 Aug '06

While I'm in the typing mode I thought I'd try this one more time. As you might remember, I asked for advise pertaining to installing this fishfinder a couple of months ago. My problem is that I can't get it to read consistently. It has a boat shaped transducer that I've tried to attach to the inside of the hull in six different places using five different silicone based adhesives and Silly Putty. Nothing works. I returned the unit to Garmin who replaced it with a new unit, but still I can't get it to work. So now I'm at the point of thinking maybe I can mount the transducer someplace outside the hull. The unit does seem to work fine when the transducer is hung over the side. Has anyone had success mounting a transducer outside? The mount that comes with it is to mount the transducer on the transom, but if trim my boat properly, the transom is not in the water and then there's always the added drag of the transducer while sailing. I've had thoughts of mounting it on a moveable rod, on the transom so it could be lifted out of the water or to mount it under the hull hiding behind the keel, but then there's all the mess of the cabling. So far I've got about 35 hours into this project (including four trips to the river). Maybe I should just give up. Someone, tell me to give up. Thanks, Rick Langer M15 #337 Bluebird

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Transducer
by edward steenstra 14 Aug '06

14 Aug '06

Rick, have you tried the PVC tube method yet? Find the sweet spot(where you want to mount it) for best function by putting the ducer in a plastic bag filled with water and when underway move the bag around to find that sweet spot, just make sure the flat bottom of ducer is against the hull. Anchor it in some way that the ducer and water bag won't slide around, couple of pieces of duct tape/sandbag or whatever. Find that spot, next take a piece of PVC pipe wide enough that will just allow the ducer to drop down widthwise and lie flat on the bottom of the hull.Rough up the gel coat with some sandpaper and glue/epoxy the PVC to hull. The PVC doesn't have to that long maybe 6- 8" high and you may have to profile the PVC for a good fit on the hull.Buy a threaded insert and bushing and glue the bushing in, then drill a hole in the top of the insert for the ducer wire to pass thru. Fill the tube with salt/fresh water, run wires through hole you made on the insert, screw insert in and connect wires to head of unit. You may want to try siliconing the pipe first and test this method before the epoxy.This will usually work as long as the hull is solid glass and there is no foam core or voids.Also remember that the tube will have to located near the centerline so when you are on tack it still makes contact with the water. If you have any questions shoot me an e-mail to annamariaslim(a)yahoo.com --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail Beta.

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what to look for/at in a 1975 M-17
by Rick Langer 14 Aug '06

14 Aug '06

Robbin, my savior, I think I've found what to look for in that boat and that is you, someone else to buy it. I've also been interested in that boat, but it seems to be a major project. The trailer is just the beginning. It seems like that boat has been neglected for some time and not taken care of for a long time before that. I know I should stay away from it, but a good project has always been something I find hard to resist. This boat appears to be completely stripped of equipment ie. ice box not included, stove not included, they even took out the porta potty, which in my opinion was worthless to start with. By the time one purchases all the equipment needed to make this boat seaworthy it may have been a better deal to pay twice as much for an equipped M17 that was taken care of properly. If you must pursue this boat, and I personally hope you do, make sure it has all essential parts, such as standing rigging, complete rudder, mainsheet with blocks, halyards and of course sails. Another down side of this purchase is that it will be unlikely that you'll be able to rig the boat before you buy it. If you could rig it, you would not only see what's missing, but you'd get a better idea of the condition of all the parts. Let us know how this project develops. Good luck and don't let me down, now. Rick Langer M15 #337 Bluebird

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