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Re: M_Boats: Bilge Foam
by IDCLLC＠aol.com 07 Jul '05

07 Jul '05

I believe I've heard Jerry Montgomery say it is designed to collect bilgewater, and keep it from sloshing around in the rest of the boat. He's also said it's a great place to put extra anchor chain, which in turn serves as extra ballast. Cheers Steve Tyree

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RE: M_Boats: Heaving To...
by Tom Smith 07 Jul '05

07 Jul '05

I have to admit I thought Larry's auto pilot was pretty cool. If I did as many long distance voyages as Larry and company, I'd think seriously about getting one too! Of course, whatever floats your boat related to accoutrements is great. My only comment is it's good to figure out how to perform critical activities such as heaving too and like maneuvers without mechanized assistance, that way you always have backup. Apt report on Priest Lake Larry--most Idaho lakes were crowed this past weekend. I got out in Chukar on Coeur d' Alene on Saturday afternoon and the wind was rippin', which kept the power boat traffic tolerable. And when Jane and I rode our bikes from Heyburn State Park to Harrison on Sunday, there was Gary Hyde bobbing around be-calmed but seemingly happy to be afloat. We didn't hail him, but continued our ride. Cd'A generally sucks as a sailing destination because of the power boat traffic and resulting confused seas, especially in an M15. But down toward the south end there don't seem to be as many yahoos. t Tom Smith & Jane VanWinkle M15/345--Chukar M17/064--Unamed -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces+tsmith=nextit.com(a)mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces+tsmith=nextit.com@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Larry E Yake Sent: Monday, July 04, 2005 2:05 PM To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: Heaving To... > Don, only wimps need auto-pilots to help do anything single handed. > Looks to me like you have the process well under control... t Hey, I resemble that remark..... Actually, there's a difference between NEEDing an auto-pilot, and enjoying the freedom one gives you to do other things on the boat during a long cruise. Tom was with me the first time I tested my Simrad TP10, and as I recall he thought it was pretty cool, so, as usual, you can take his remarks as tongue-in-cheek. <grin> I sailed Priest Lake yesterday for the first time this year. You may recall the incident last year where I found the grounded sailboat. His body still has not been found. The lake yesterday little resembled the quiet, pristine, sometimes stormy and moody body of water that I sailed last year. Fourth of July weekend is the busiest time of year, and the jet skis, wake boarders, thundering jet boats, and party boats turned it into a choppy crowded mess without enough wind to keep the sails from flogging around. Randy Graves came up to join us, but couldn't even launch due to the jammed boat ramps and parking lots. Randy commented that even though he was towing a Montgomery, they didn't seemed inclined to let him go first at the ramp. <g> It wasn't much better out on the water. I was cut off numerous times by power boats that obviously didn't know the rules of the road. Later that afternoon, the wind came up strong and steady and we had some decent sailing, especially out in the middle of the lake where the traffic was thinner. Larry _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats

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Bilge Foam
by Rick Langer 07 Jul '05

07 Jul '05

Hi Doug, Hi Connie. Thanks for the help. Connie, I probably wasn't clear. I was referring to the expandable type foam that comes in a can like "Great Stuff". This stuff was used to fill up the bilge, I guess. All I could see was a big blob of it against the bulkhead. I cut the blob flush with the floor and noticed the top of the bilge. I don't know if the bilge is filled behind the bulkhead because the styrofoam logs cover everything behind that bulkhead. Doug, I'm adding about 50 pounds in the way of a 6 gallon water tank to that area. The tank fits between the bulkhead and the centerboard trunk covering that 4"x4" bilge opening. How deep is the bilge? Does anyone actually use a bilge pump in there? I wonder how I will get any water out of there with the bilge filled with foam? Being that I'm covering the well with the tank maybe I should clean out the foam. The tank will be removable. Thanks again, Rick p.s. Are you guys still on for the Maine Trip? Doug, did you get the Maptech waterproof charts and if so what do you think about them? > Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 09:49:38 -0700 (PDT) > From: Doug Kelch <doug_kelch(a)yahoo.com> > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Bilge Foam > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Message-ID: <20050706164938.30349.qmail(a)web30202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > Rick, > > I believe that 4" square hole is the bilge inside the > keel. If you stick a mirror on a stick and look > around you should see that it is actually a 2 ft long > tapered shape. This is where the bilge pump would go > if you had one. > > The only reason I could possible see for filling it up > would be to prevent loose items like knives, > flashlights, or whatever from rolling down there. > > I have heard of some M15 owners who have added a few > lead sash weights their to add keel weight. > > Thanks > > Doug > > --- chbenneck(a)juno.com wrote: > > > Hi Rick, > > > > When I cut out the starboard shallow sail locker to > > gain more storage > > space, in my M15, I found Styrofoam logs, 12" x 12" > > x about 30", in the > > same area. > > > > There also were similar ones up in the bow > > compartment. > > > > I assume that Jerry added those when the M15s were > > built to make them > > unsinkable. > > > > Connie

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Re: M_Boats: Bilge Foam
by chbenneck＠juno.com 07 Jul '05

07 Jul '05

Hi Rich, After I had my centerboard slot leak, and finally found it and repaired it, I also found water in the sump in back of the centerboard slot and below the cockpit sole. Bailed it out with a small hand held bilge pump and a long piece of hose. It's been dry ever since my repair, just don't loose small stuff in that area, it'll roll into the sump and you'll have a hard time removing it. Your arm isn't long enough to reach all the way down there - at least mine isn't! Connie

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Bilge Foam
by Rick Langer 06 Jul '05

06 Jul '05

My M15 had a pile of expandable foam up against the partial bulkhead about a foot behind the centerboard housing. The PO didn't know why it was there and pointed the finger to the original owner. Yesterday I removed the foam and found that there is a 4" square well just forward of this partial bulkhead. My questions are; What is the purpose of this indentation and why would someone fill it with foam? I've not encountered any water there or anywhere in the cabin. Thanks, Rick Langer M15 #337

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Re: M_Boats: Bilge Foam
by chbenneck＠juno.com 06 Jul '05

06 Jul '05

Hi Rick, When I cut out the starboard shallow sail locker to gain more storage space, in my M15, I found Styrofoam logs, 12" x 12" x about 30", in the same area. There also were similar ones up in the bow compartment. I assume that Jerry added those when the M15s were built to make them unsinkable. Connie

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Re: M_Boats: Heaving To...
by Larry E Yake 06 Jul '05

06 Jul '05

Tom Smith wrote: > My only comment is it's good to figure out how >to perform critical activities such as heaving too and like maneuvers >without mechanized assistance, that way you always have backup. I agree. I've only used my tiller pilot a few times so far, but I wouldn't recommend depending on one for much more than a break from the tiller. They are not real convenient to engage and disengage (it takes a pretty good whack to snap it onto the tiller bracket pin, and a sharp yank to get it off) and you can't steer manually while it's on there. You can control the course with the directional buttons, but that's rather slow, especially in an emergency. I still use the homemade bungee/rope/jamcleat tiller tamer I copied from Tom Smith much more often. More convenient for a short break. The autopilot did make a recent 40 mile day much more enjoyable, especially since most of it was motoring. I was able to move around the boat, make a sandwich, watch the dolphins, etc.... Larry

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Jiffy reefing with a loose footed sail.
by nbundek 05 Jul '05

05 Jul '05

I just received my new loose footed sail and had to modify the boom. I had a robe bolt main before. The tack connection is rubbing on the boom where it connects to the gooseneck. The new loose footed sail stayed in the track when connected to the gooseneck. I bent the old foot track down, but I may have to cut part of the track off where it connects to the gooseneck. Has anyone experienced this problem? Also, when reefing a loose footed main, do you tie the reef points around the boom or just around the sail? Norm M15 #172

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Re: M_Boats: Heaving To...
by Larry E Yake 04 Jul '05

04 Jul '05

> Don, only wimps need auto-pilots to help do anything single handed. > Looks to me like you have the process well under control... t Hey, I resemble that remark..... Actually, there's a difference between NEEDing an auto-pilot, and enjoying the freedom one gives you to do other things on the boat during a long cruise. Tom was with me the first time I tested my Simrad TP10, and as I recall he thought it was pretty cool, so, as usual, you can take his remarks as tongue-in-cheek. <grin> I sailed Priest Lake yesterday for the first time this year. You may recall the incident last year where I found the grounded sailboat. His body still has not been found. The lake yesterday little resembled the quiet, pristine, sometimes stormy and moody body of water that I sailed last year. Fourth of July weekend is the busiest time of year, and the jet skis, wake boarders, thundering jet boats, and party boats turned it into a choppy crowded mess without enough wind to keep the sails from flogging around. Randy Graves came up to join us, but couldn't even launch due to the jammed boat ramps and parking lots. Randy commented that even though he was towing a Montgomery, they didn't seemed inclined to let him go first at the ramp. <g> It wasn't much better out on the water. I was cut off numerous times by power boats that obviously didn't know the rules of the road. Later that afternoon, the wind came up strong and steady and we had some decent sailing, especially out in the middle of the lake where the traffic was thinner. Larry

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RE: M_Boats: Heaving To...
by Tom Smith 04 Jul '05

04 Jul '05

Don, only wimps need auto-pilots to help do anything single handed. Looks to me like you have the process well under control... t Tom Smith & Jane VanWinkle M15/345--Chukar M17/064--Unamed -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces+tsmith=nextit.com(a)mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces+tsmith=nextit.com@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of LUDLOWD2(a)aol.com Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2005 6:56 AM To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: Heaving To... Bill I have the same problem on my M-15 (IE Heaving to while reefing). I can heave to but when I get up to reef and pull the boom over, the boat rapidly rounds up. To solve this I re-rigged the reef lines like Doug shows on his web site. First and second clew reef lines run to cheek blocks on the boom, then forward through fairlead type clamcleats on the bottom of the boom. I have a horn cleat on the bottom of the boom in front of this. I bring the boat into the wind, release the main sheet a little, tie the tiller down amidships, stand up and pull the topping lift line to raise the end of the boom (clam cleat hods it in place), then I step forward and release the main halyard and quickly pull the sail down and snug the reef tack to the boom with a line. The clew reef lines are just above my head. I pull the first reef line hard and take a turn around the horn cleat, then step back and release the topping lift. By this time the boat has started to dfall off. I point her into the wind again and quickly tie the reef points in the middle of the sail. With some practice, I can do this in about 30 seconds. Hope this helps. I also cant get her to hold into the wind while raising sail so I start a slight turn under power, going in a slow circle. As she comes around in the wind I rapidly raise the main and cleat off the halyard. I wait until she comes around again, raise the jib, snug the lines and release the topping lift. I sit down, turn off the motor, sheet in and am sailing. Single handing takes practice and one day I hope to have a tiller auopilot to help out. Hope this helps Don _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats

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