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Re: M_Boats: M15 Electrical System
by LUDLOWD2＠aol.com 10 Jan '05

10 Jan '05

In a message dated 01/07/2005 10:02:16 PM Central Standard Time, RandyG(a)cite.nic.edu writes: > http://sailing.gravesfam.us Randy: I cant get Windows Sharepoint Services to open for me. Any suggestions Don

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Re: M_Boats: montgomery 23
by LUDLOWD2＠aol.com 10 Jan '05

10 Jan '05

There'se a Northsea 27 fior sale in Fla, some hurricane damage Don

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Re: M_Boats: montgomery 23
by Sandyal55＠aol.com 10 Jan '05

10 Jan '05

There are 3 of them at Lake Pleasant near Phx. Have the sailboat Shop check to see if any are for sale. _http://home.att.net/~kehgchu/sail.az.html_ (http://home.att.net/~kehgchu/sail.az.html)

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montgomery 23
by Grove777＠aol.com 10 Jan '05

10 Jan '05

does any one know of a m-23 that might need a loving home??? thanks g

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Randy Graves' Website
by Rick Langer 10 Jan '05

10 Jan '05

Thanks Randy for the pictures of your boat's electrical system. The addition of pictures to our discussions add so much. Because of your pictures Bud asked the question of how you charge the battery and we all learned about the 12 volt DC outlet method. Now this method might be common knowledge for some, but for me it was a revelation of simplicity and convenience. I was planning on a 12 volt outlet, but I don't think I would have reasoned that I could charge the battery through it. I've been to your site before, when I first got my boat. I copied your trailer outboard mount and tire mount. I also made a foldable hatch screen insert that was inspired by the one I saw on your website. So, thanks for those pictures too. Bill has done a wonderful job on the MSOG photo site. I go there a couple of times a week to look at new entries and the ones I've already seen. However, these are formal pictures and even though they add a lot of richness to the MSOG site, they don't deal with the nuts and bolts type issues in which I seem to be more interested. I think it would be great to have a depository of "how to" and "unique features" pictures that we could all refer to during our discussions. When Bill first solicited pictures for the site I looked through my picture files for ones that I could send to him, but I didn't have any. All the pictures of my boat are of improvements that I made or of specific areas where someone on the list has asked for a particular view. I don't have any formal "this is the boat" pictures and no pictures with me in them. So, in the spring, I'll have to take some. So from now on the "Dinky Boat" website is at the top of my favorites list. Rick Langer M15 #337 Sialia

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M15 boom layout
by Doug Kelch 10 Jan '05

10 Jan '05

On an earliery posting some one had asked about my boom hardware layout. I put up 8 pictures at the funtigo site below. This configuration is not as it comes from the factory and may not work for you...... :-) It is merely provided to stimulate your own ideas. http://www.funtigo.com/dkelch?b=215326&p=start&c=1802951 The base site if the above link doesn't get there is: dkelch.funtigo.com and then select the M15 rigging album. Thanks Doug __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail

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RE: M_Boats: M15 boom layout
by RandyG 10 Jan '05

10 Jan '05

Doug, Thanks for posting the pictures. They are great! Truly worth a thousand words. A couple of questions: - Regarding the attachment points for the boom vang. I see the bail on the boom, but how does the vang attach to the base of the mast? And how far up from the base of the mast is the attachment point? I have a vang for our M-15 but no a specific attachment point at the base of the mast. I have been trying to figure out how best to attach it and not have the attachment point get in the way when raising and lowering the mast. - The outhaul travel: I see that when your outhaul is eased there are several inches between the end of the boom and grommet in the sail. i.e. that your outhaul has several inches of travel. Without any tension on my outhaul the main nearly touches the end of boom and has only an inch or so of travel with the outhaul. Am I understanding your picture correctly, that you mainsail without tension is several inches from the end of the boom? My main is the original Kern from 1988 and may be stretched more than I realized. Great idea to move the end of the outhaul line farther up the mast. I can see were that would make it easy to adjust with the boom swung out. Thank you, Randy M-15 #407 ________________________________ From: montgomery_boats-bounces+randyg=cite.nic.edu(a)mailman.xmission.com on behalf of Doug Kelch Sent: Sun 1/9/2005 11:21 AM To: Montgomery Subject: M_Boats: M15 boom layout On an earliery posting some one had asked about my boom hardware layout. I put up 8 pictures at the funtigo site below. This configuration is not as it comes from the factory and may not work for you...... :-) It is merely provided to stimulate your own ideas. http://www.funtigo.com/dkelch?b=215326&p=start&c=1802951 The base site if the above link doesn't get there is: dkelch.funtigo.com and then select the M15 rigging album. Thanks Doug __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats

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re: M15 boom layout
by Steve R. 10 Jan '05

10 Jan '05

Thanks Doug, Great idea about using the line for the outhaul block. My shackle arrangement is way too long. Also that is a neat reefing hook. So, what does your mast look like? I went to the "boat house" today to retrieve some winter items. No sailing but I did spend some time contemplating this year’s improvements to be. Had to pull the Honda three time before she cranked. BTW Gilbert I enjoyed your snow tale. I was five or six when it snowed in Montgomery, Alabama. I do not think it has snowed there again in the last four decades. steve Steve R. M-15 #119 Lexington, KY

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Re: M_Boats: Randy Graves' Website
by BILLAMICASR＠aol.com 09 Jan '05

09 Jan '05

When Bill first solicited pictures for the site I looked through my picture files for ones that I could send to him, but I didn't have any. All the pictures of my boat are of improvements that I made or of specific areas where someone on the list has asked for a particular view. Hi Rick, Originally, I posted two pages of instruction on how to submit photo's. One was high resolution shots for the "Show Boats & MSOG Boats & Owners" and page two, which has been removed, covered how to submit for the "how to" section. Regarding a depository... Up until a couple of weeks ago I was working 10 to 15 hours a day, six days a week. Now, I'm on my 5 month vacation. Those of you who have put together an album know that it took me a week or two to get the pictures up and the copy written. Now that I'm off for a while that may or may not improve as I plan on doing a bit of playing. Now, Back to the site... I agree, we need a "how To" section. Problem is, getting the PICS published so that a meaningful discussion can be had in a reasonable amount of time. Second concern is getting pictures that are detailed (900X650 pixels or greater) enough (like Randy's photos) to be able to have a good discussion. If all we are talking is to place a picture without copy... That is easily accomplished. We could call it the "How To Discussion Photo's" Pictures would come and go based upon the topics on the forum. Wouldn't take long to accomplish, easy to do and all that is needed... Is to send the photo(s) to me, and ask that I post them on the Photo Site for discussion. "If" we are talking about setting up a real "How To" section. That will be a bit difficult as it takes a bunch of time to format the site to make the copy match the pictures and the more info we get into, the harder it gets. Then comes the organization of different boats and different subjects and the various people who will be sending in the information. The first "How To" I pondered was Craig's pictures of the "How to" of installing the Bronze Ports on his M-17. It will require 8 to 10 pictures and lots of copy to make the pictures make sense. Possible... but, lenghty and time consuming. Not practicle for a spur of the moment discussion on the forum. The Funtigo Site belongs to the MSOG. However, even though I'm a participant. I'm not the only one who is allowed to assist. If there is a volunteer in the audience... please Email me. Maybe we can put together a permanent "How To" section. I agree it is needed. I can envision lots of subjects for the "How To" section. If this occurred, we could base discussions on pictures that are already archived and posted. I'll be picking up Tipperary pretty soon and bringing her to California. I've never raised the mast by myself yet. Boy, will I have questions for the group. I'd love to see the "How To" section be a part of the Photo Site. I know it would be an asset to me as well. We will be seeing another section added to the MSOG Photo Site in the next couple of weeks. This new section will be called "Montgomery Art." I know it will be a welcome addition to the site. And - Thanks for the generous praise of the Photo Site! Bill M-17 Tipperary #496

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RE: M_Boats: Bless those 12 volt outlets/ engine chargers
by RandyG 08 Jan '05

08 Jan '05

Friends, Bob forwarded to me two pictures showing the electrical system and stern light setup on the new M-15's. Thanks Bob! I've added these pictures to the archive at: http://sailing.gravesfam.us see the link on the left for "M-15 #407 Electrical System". The pictures from Bob are labeled "2005 M-15 ...." Randy Graves M-15 #407 ________________________________ From: montgomery_boats-bounces+randyg=cite.nic.edu(a)mailman.xmission.com on behalf of Bob Sent: Sat 1/8/2005 11:42 AM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: M_Boats: Bless those 12 volt outlets/ engine chargers One of the best electrical items is that 12 Volt DC outlet. For those boats without a built in automatic battery charger they can save time if you do what Randy does. Just remember to turn the 12 V switch to 'on'. The Honda 5 HP does have an optional charger (just over 3 amps per hour) and the kit is about $155. The weight of the 5 Honda is 61 pounds, not bad, not good. The lower the weight the better on the stern. I heard that someone (can't remember who) had a Honda 8 HP on their M_17. That motor weighs in at 117 pounds. (the same weight at the Honda 9.9, that gets its extra HP from a higher RPM, same pistons and bore, just more Revs) I don't know if I can lift a 117 pound motor onto the outboard bracket. :-) On the larger Honda's (8 and 9.9) they do have a neat charging system. Normally 6 amps and can be 12 amps if they have the electric start system. Maybe a Honda 5 with the optional 3 amp charger and some solar panels while at anchor for those long inland passage cruises. Bob RandyG wrote: >Bud, > >We use a standard plug-in type battery charger. It's a multi purpose charger that works with both car batteries and deep cycle, nothing fancy. We keep our M-15 in the garage and the charger on the work bench. When getting ready for a cruise I connect the charger to one end of my pig-tail cable and the other end I plug into the 12 vdc aux outlet in cockpit. The onboard battery then charges through the 12 vdc aux. connector. > >I mostly use the M-15 battery for the anchor light and occasional use of the VHF. I also use a small 150 watt inverter to charge my cell phone, digital camera, and PDA. The inverter plugs into the 12vdc aux outlet in the cockpit. Everything else on the boat; FRS radio, Walkman, flash light, GPS, they all run on "AA" batteries. The most power hungry of these is the GPS but it will run for several days on a set of "AA" 's. Its a Garmin GPS 12. I buy one of those 32 pack of "AA's" from Costco at the beginning of the season and have batteries to spare. One thing I have been careful to do when bringing other electronics on board is to buy devices that use "AA's", that way I only have to stock one battery size. > >The battery full charged will handle a long weekend of use and anchoring. For longer cruising I use a kerosene anchor light that hangs from the boom, it will run all night on a single fill and is amazing at staying lit even in a strong blow! The anchor light and transmitting on the VHF are what put the greatest drain on the main battery. > >My wife and I are in the market for a good clean M-17. On a 17 I think the best setup would be to have a alternator/charger built into the outboard. In a pinch you could run the outboard to charge the battery. On the longer trips like the San Juan & Gulf Islands we tend to motor about 50% of the time, that would keep the battery full charged. The only obsiticle I see with this solution is how best to make the electrical connection between the outboard alternator and your onboard battery. The connector would need to be highly weather & salt water resistant if at the motor. Or maybe a short pig-tail from the motor to a less weather resistant connector in the cockpit locker. > >Randy Graves >M-15 #407 > > > >________________________________ > >From: montgomery_boats-bounces+randyg=cite.nic.edu(a)mailman.xmission.com on behalf of Bud >Sent: Sat 1/8/2005 2:57 AM >To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com >Subject: M_Boats: M15 Electical system...Thanks RandyG > > > >Just wanted to say thanks Randy for the informative photos regarding the wiring of your M15. Its really a nice set up. Very neat. I may do the same thing. Can you tell me how you charge your battery? Small portable solar system? > >Fair winds >Bud M15 #500 > > > > >--------------------------------- >Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn more. >_______________________________________________ >http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats

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