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RE: M_Boats: Fun sail today
by Hughston, Larry 07 Jun '04

07 Jun '04

That is just what I have been reading this morning. Good. Thanks for all the responses that are all positive. ----Larry -----Original Message----- From: Randy Watkins [mailto:watkins@iodp.tamu.edu] Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 8:55 AM To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: RE: M_Boats: Fun sail today re: 1981 Larry, I have a 1981 M15 and they are solid. The only thing I've done to this one is replace the standing rigging (Jerry Montgomery built it at a reasonable price.)This is our 2nd M15, both 1981 models. Randy W. M15 "Becca Anne" Texas >>> Larry.Hughston(a)dgs.ca.gov 6/7/04 9:39:16 AM >>> Mr. G, what year is your M-15? What can I expect from an M-15 built in 1981....have you heard any negative comments on those hulls from that year? ----Larry <larry.hughston(a)dgs.ca.gov> -----Original Message----- From: G Burmeyer [mailto:burmeyer@sbcglobal.net] Sent: Sunday, June 06, 2004 10:48 PM To: Montgomery Boats Subject: M_Boats: Fun sail today Hi all, Just wanted to crow a bit after getting back from a single-handed, heavy wind day sail on Clear Lake (CA). It was a blast: this is why I got the M15! The only casualty was my Windex which, piece by piece, fell to the deck. The poor little plastic thingy just got blown away. No idea how much wind there was, but there were whitecaps and wind waves and I sailed with both the main and jib reefed, and me hiking out like I was on a dinghy. When I got tired I'd just heave-to and sit there, safe and comfortable while the wind howled. One of the nicest things about sailing by yourself is that there is no one around to bear witness to your bonehead blunders...like letting the hauling end of the main halyard blow to leeward like a long pennant when you're trying get the sail up. Oops. Or letting the jib get wrapped around the forestay because you weren't fast enough with the sheets on a downwind jibe. Oops again. Bottom line, though, is that in spite of my lubberly foolishness, the boat forgave me and showed me time after time that she is sturdy and remarkably seaworthy. _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats

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RE: M_Boats: Fun sail today
by Hughston, Larry 07 Jun '04

07 Jun '04

Thanks, that's what I just read from another owner. No bad stories. .....Now if I could just get this owner to respond to my messages on the M-15 he has. -----L -----Original Message----- From: Stanley Winarski [mailto:winarski@cox.net] Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 9:13 AM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Fun sail today Larry, I've owned and sailed an '81 since 1981 and in my biased opinion she looks and sails as good as new. I've not heard anything derogatory about the year. Stan M-15, #177, Carol II _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats

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RE: M_Boats: Fun sail today
by Hughston, Larry 07 Jun '04

07 Jun '04

Thanks, that is encouraging to know that no bad stories have surfaced re: the M-15. ----L -----Original Message----- From: G Burmeyer [mailto:burmeyer@sbcglobal.net] Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 9:09 AM To: Montgomery Boats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Fun sail today Larry, My boat is a 1986, one of the last built by Jerry (I think). I don't know anything about other hulls, although plastic hulls can last a long, long time. It might be telling to note that I haven't read anything on this list about hull problems on any of the Mboats, old or new, like blisters or delaminations or hull-deck joint problems, which are major topics on some other boat lists. George M15 #385 On 6/7/04 7:39 AM, "Hughston, Larry" <Larry.Hughston(a)dgs.ca.gov> wrote: > Mr. G, what year is your M-15? What can I expect from an M-15 built > in 1981....have you heard any negative comments on those hulls from > that year? ----Larry <larry.hughston(a)dgs.ca.gov> > > -----Original Message----- > From: G Burmeyer [mailto:burmeyer@sbcglobal.net] > Sent: Sunday, June 06, 2004 10:48 PM > To: Montgomery Boats > Subject: M_Boats: Fun sail today > > > Hi all, > > Just wanted to crow a bit after getting back from a single-handed, > heavy wind day sail on Clear Lake (CA). It was a blast: this is why I > got the M15! The only casualty was my Windex which, piece by piece, > fell to the deck. The poor little plastic thingy just got blown away. > > No idea how much wind there was, but there were whitecaps and wind > waves and I sailed with both the main and jib reefed, and me hiking > out like I was on a dinghy. When I got tired I'd just heave-to and > sit there, safe and comfortable while the wind howled. > > One of the nicest things about sailing by yourself is that there is no > one around to bear witness to your bonehead blunders...like letting > the hauling end of the main halyard blow to leeward like a long > pennant when you're trying get the sail up. Oops. Or letting the jib > get wrapped around the forestay because you weren't fast enough with > the sheets on a downwind jibe. Oops again. > > Bottom line, though, is that in spite of my lubberly foolishness, the > boat forgave me and showed me time after time that she is sturdy and > remarkably seaworthy. > > > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats

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RE: M_Boats: Fun sail today
by Randy Watkins 07 Jun '04

07 Jun '04

re: 1981 Larry, I have a 1981 M15 and they are solid. The only thing I've done to this one is replace the standing rigging (Jerry Montgomery built it at a reasonable price.)This is our 2nd M15, both 1981 models. Randy W. M15 "Becca Anne" Texas >>> Larry.Hughston(a)dgs.ca.gov 6/7/04 9:39:16 AM >>> Mr. G, what year is your M-15? What can I expect from an M-15 built in 1981....have you heard any negative comments on those hulls from that year? ----Larry <larry.hughston(a)dgs.ca.gov> -----Original Message----- From: G Burmeyer [mailto:burmeyer@sbcglobal.net] Sent: Sunday, June 06, 2004 10:48 PM To: Montgomery Boats Subject: M_Boats: Fun sail today Hi all, Just wanted to crow a bit after getting back from a single-handed, heavy wind day sail on Clear Lake (CA). It was a blast: this is why I got the M15! The only casualty was my Windex which, piece by piece, fell to the deck. The poor little plastic thingy just got blown away. No idea how much wind there was, but there were whitecaps and wind waves and I sailed with both the main and jib reefed, and me hiking out like I was on a dinghy. When I got tired I'd just heave-to and sit there, safe and comfortable while the wind howled. One of the nicest things about sailing by yourself is that there is no one around to bear witness to your bonehead blunders...like letting the hauling end of the main halyard blow to leeward like a long pennant when you're trying get the sail up. Oops. Or letting the jib get wrapped around the forestay because you weren't fast enough with the sheets on a downwind jibe. Oops again. Bottom line, though, is that in spite of my lubberly foolishness, the boat forgave me and showed me time after time that she is sturdy and remarkably seaworthy. _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats

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Re: M_Boats: Sheeting angles
by BILLAMICASR＠aol.com 07 Jun '04

07 Jun '04

Hi George, Here in San Francisco yesterday, NOAA said it was 20-25 knots with gusts to 35. Clear Lake being just a little north... I'll guess it was very breezy indeed. I don't have my M-boat as yet, so it is a bit difficult to answer the question about the jib sheets. However, my last sailboat was a Potter 15 which had, I believe, Ronstan Bullseye Fairlead/Cleat on Swivel Base as shown in my 2003, West Marine catalog on page 895. Possibly any of the Cam Bases would do the job. I like to sit up close to the cabin as well and the swivel made it easy. I sold the Potter after only a few months because of feeling unsafe in the conditions you were comfortable in. How fortunate you are for choosing the right boat the first time. Rail down ... hiked out and flying... I'm trying not to be to jealous. Bill

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Sheeting angles
by G Burmeyer 07 Jun '04

07 Jun '04

During my sail today, a couple of things came up that I think need to be fixed. Well, three things actually, but my lack of sailing skill will only be remedied by practice and learning from my mistakes. The first is the tiller tamer thing. Enough has been said about that in many recent posts, and I know what has to be done...but it has to be done! A reliable way to keep the boat on a heading while going about one's business is really a necessity when you're out there on your own. The second thing, though, is the way the jib sheets come in off the cabin top. The clam cleats are angled toward the center of the boat in a position that would be about right for someone sailing the boat from the middle of the cockpit or aft. Problem is I like to sit up close to the cabin to keep my weight forward and from there the sheeting angles are awkward. I find myself having to lean to leeward to adjust the sheet, and the body mechanics are ugly. Has anyone else had this problem and dealt successfully with it? Thanks George M15 #385

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Fun sail today
by G Burmeyer 07 Jun '04

07 Jun '04

Hi all, Just wanted to crow a bit after getting back from a single-handed, heavy wind day sail on Clear Lake (CA). It was a blast: this is why I got the M15! The only casualty was my Windex which, piece by piece, fell to the deck. The poor little plastic thingy just got blown away. No idea how much wind there was, but there were whitecaps and wind waves and I sailed with both the main and jib reefed, and me hiking out like I was on a dinghy. When I got tired I'd just heave-to and sit there, safe and comfortable while the wind howled. One of the nicest things about sailing by yourself is that there is no one around to bear witness to your bonehead blunders...like letting the hauling end of the main halyard blow to leeward like a long pennant when you're trying get the sail up. Oops. Or letting the jib get wrapped around the forestay because you weren't fast enough with the sheets on a downwind jibe. Oops again. Bottom line, though, is that in spite of my lubberly foolishness, the boat forgave me and showed me time after time that she is sturdy and remarkably seaworthy.

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Bungee cord tiller tammer
by Rick Langer 07 Jun '04

07 Jun '04

Lewis, Your system sounds like a good one. Do you use only bungee cord or do you use a section of line where it meets the cleat, as some other owners have suggested? Also, once it is set can you fine tune it easily? Thanks, Rick Langer M15 #337 Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 18:51:46 -0400 From: "Lewis Baumstark" <lbaum(a)preferred.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Bungee cord tiller tammer To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Message-ID: <002701c448f4$308ec6e0$fd617642@fcy2801> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Rick, I've used the jam cleat/bungee tiller tamer system on three different boats. Got the idea from the Handbook of Trailer Sailing by Robert Burgess. I fashioned the jam cleat out of wood. It's kinda like 1/2 of a clothes pin. Attach it to the under side of the tiller with screws with the open end facing forward and forward of your bungee attachment points. The bungee hangs free until you need it, then just grab it and pop it in the jam cleat. Neat, easy, CHEAP, and works great. Lewis Baumstark WWP 15 Bristol, TN>

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Launch and Retrieval Checklist
by Rick Langer 06 Jun '04

06 Jun '04

I don't have a launch checklist yet, but something I learned the hard way is that hot trailer light bulbs don't do well when they hit the water. So my first item for the list is disconnect the wire harness before doing any setup so the bulbs cool off and aren't activated when backing into the water. On retrieval I've decided to put the headstay clevis pin and ring in my pocket as oppose to lying on the deck. In sailing three time I lost one pin and two rings. One time they both stayed aboard for the ride home, but that didn't help me learn the lesson. Rick Langer M15 #337

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Bow Chocks
by Rick Langer 06 Jun '04

06 Jun '04

Tom, I think your suggestion of removing some portion of the toe rail and using at least one pre-existing hole on each side is the way I'm going to go. Do you, or anyone, know why the toe rails are staggered at the bow? From the headstay chainplate to the first hole on the port side is 5 1/4" and on starboard it's 3 1/2". The toe rail is not even at the stern either, but to a lesser degree. It's hard to believe that such a nicely put together boat would have the toe rails put on in a haphazard way. What size chock did you use and do you have a preference between a straight bow chock and a skene chock? Thanks, Rick Langer M15 #337 Rick, I removed a few inches of toe rail on my M15 to accommodate bow chocks. I liked the idea of reusing one existing hole (the foreward-most toe rail attaching point), and only having to drill one new one on each side. This approach had the added advantage in my mind of situating the chock over the deak/hull seam, which is a very strong point on the deck. I personally hate the idea of drilling through the balsacore deck of the M15--it's an invitation to damage the integrity of the sandwiched material. The chocks are slightly uneven side to side (because the bolts attaching the toe rails are located different side to side), but it's no big deal to me, and it looks good. t Tom Smith and Jane Van Winkle M15--345 Chukar M17--064 Unnamed

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