October 2004 - montgomery_boats - mailman.xmission.com

RE: M_Boats: Off Topic--vote
by Smith, Tom 28 Oct '04

28 Oct '04

Don't care how you vote, just vote. t Tom Smith and Jane Van Winkle M15--345 Chukar M17--064 Unnamed

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Re: M_Boats: safety in swage fittings vs
by chbenneck＠juno.com 28 Oct '04

28 Oct '04

Hi gang, FWIW: I owned my 29 footer for 26 years. Used in fresh and salt water - 1/3 fresh: 2/3 salt. When I sold the boat it still had all the original standing rigging, and nothing was ever replaced. Being from the aviation industry, I'd check each swaged fitting with a 10X loupe at the start of each season, and never found any cracks or indications of incipient failure. The only failure that I experienced was with a life line. The life line itself deteriorated at the swage fitting and the wires broke. (poor quality stainless?) But, ..............the boat I bought had been built by one of Europe's major yacht yards, and they had used Fokker Aircraft Co. to be their consultant on the fiberglass work. It was a total quality product, and every part of the boat and the rigging reflected that. Connie

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RE: M_Boats: safety in swage fittings vs
by Hughston, Larry 27 Oct '04

27 Oct '04

Welcome to the 21st Century. Sometimes I feel like I am in a futuristic, dark movie. We just get the local sherif's night time patrols with the biggest search light I have ever seen. You should take photos these choppers when they get real close but not until you have called your next of kin and filed a flight plan. You have had an interesting past and lucky enough to have been introduced to the fun of flying in an affordable way. My flying was restricted to local flights here in the local airspace. I got 14 hours accumulated then got shipped out the Wiesbaden, Germ. With the AirForce as Graphic Artist. Nice tour, saw lots of art and architecture. Great experience. Good food, best wines, right on the Rhein River in little town down the road from Wiesbanden call Schierstein. Intel outfit, 497th RTG. Let me some photos when you get a chance. Thanks for the information. Fair Winds. --Larry Hughston <larry.hughston(a)dgs.ca.gov> -----Original Message----- From: Wcpritchett(a)aol.com [mailto:Wcpritchett@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 11:50 AM To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: safety in swage fittings vs Larry, All my pics and scanned disks are sealed and stashed away for hurricanes another month or two. I may have a few on another pc that isn't online and will check. Where to send them? I was a student for 15 yrs and finally took vacation time to finish it all at once. My father was a crop duster and later a B24 captain and bomber check ride instructor. He used to take me flying in a Cub and it got into my blood. Ultralight and then experimental. When flying in Florida I feel like an F16 always has me in their gun sites. When boating locally in my pontoon boat there's a military copter with big guns always in site...they fly up and hover close enough to check you out and then fly away. I've seen them hovering low enough to splash the water with their propwash. Bill P. _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats

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Re: M_Boats: safety in swage fittings vs
by Wcpritchett＠aol.com 27 Oct '04

27 Oct '04

Larry, All my pics and scanned disks are sealed and stashed away for hurricanes another month or two. I may have a few on another pc that isn't online and will check. Where to send them? I was a student for 15 yrs and finally took vacation time to finish it all at once. My father was a crop duster and later a B24 captain and bomber check ride instructor. He used to take me flying in a Cub and it got into my blood. Ultralight and then experimental. When flying in Florida I feel like an F16 always has me in their gun sites. When boating locally in my pontoon boat there's a military copter with big guns always in site...they fly up and hover close enough to check you out and then fly away. I've seen them hovering low enough to splash the water with their propwash. Bill P.

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RE: M_Boats: safety in swage fittings vs
by Hughston, Larry 27 Oct '04

27 Oct '04

Ok, you have my attention. Do you have more information and photos you could share of your ultralights and MiniCoupe? ---Larry (an old flying student, never got the license but I am still intrigued by airplanes with pistons and propellers and controll cables. Favorite large airplanes: DC-3. Other favorites: Ercoupes, P-51 bubble canopy type, Electra and any restored biplane) You know, something that needs constant work! :) -----Original Message----- From: Wcpritchett(a)aol.com [mailto:Wcpritchett@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 8:23 AM To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: safety in swage fittings vs Bob, 1. Wood/Fabric ultralight...Fisher FP 101 with Kawasaki engine. 2. Aluminum exp...MiniCoupe with VW Type IV engine Bill _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats

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Re: M_Boats: safety in swage fittings vs
by Wcpritchett＠aol.com 27 Oct '04

27 Oct '04

Bob, 1. Wood/Fabric ultralight...Fisher FP 101 with Kawasaki engine. 2. Aluminum exp...MiniCoupe with VW Type IV engine Bill

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Re: M_Boats: safety in swage fittings vs
by Wcpritchett＠aol.com 27 Oct '04

27 Oct '04

Yes, fittings can be magnafluxed for cracks and that's what the maxi ocean racers do to check their rigging. I saw this in a Ft.Lauderdale rigging yard where they grouped to refit. They would toss the whole stay/shroud and us "regular" people would buy the one year old wire and cut/swage to fit our boats. It's a cheap way to rerig with near new wire.Terminal fitting cracks are 99% the cause stay/shroud replacement. Rigging yards say 10yrs is normal life for wire and that is when you turn it end for end every year...that applies to bigger "non-trailer type" boats. Old wire can look A1 but work hardens from sailing and becomes brittle. I've seen 15 yr old wire that looked perfect and it actually broke strands when coiled up while we were un-stepping the mast. I missed the earlier postings on swage fittings but...aircraft and safety applications use flexible cable (7x19 or higher) and sailboats use the less flexible and lower stretch 1x19. Aircraft rigging has little to zero tension (I'm a past experimental plane builder) and sailboats high tension in comparison. They can share the same terminal ends but fatique is greater with sailboats. Bill P.

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RE: M_Boats: New photos
by RandyG 27 Oct '04

27 Oct '04

Doug, Really enjoyed the pictures! Thanks, Randy Graves M15 #407 ________________________________ From: montgomery_boats-bounces+randyg=cite.nic.edu(a)mailman.xmission.com on behalf of Doug Kelch Sent: Mon 10/25/2004 7:55 PM To: Montgomery Subject: M_Boats: New photos I have put two new photo albums up. Hess Tribute II which has a couple of interior shots of the BCCs and CBC 2004 that are from the Chesapeake Bay Cruise. http://www.dkelch.funtigo.com/ I never knew that if you move the cursor near the upper right corner of the picture you can get a high resolution vesion of the photo. If you have high speed access, try it you will like it. Doug Kelch "Seas the Day" __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats

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Re: M_Boats: safety in swage fittings vs
by David Thomason 27 Oct '04

27 Oct '04

Here in the Great Lakes they say that the standing rigging can last longer than 10 years, due to the lack of salt water. But, unless you can't afford it, why not just replace it every 10 years & sleep better? I have an unstayed 16' 8" mast, and you would not believe the stresses that can be observed starting at about 10 knots. If you're lucky, a busted mast will only scare you half to death, and not actually kill you.

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safety in swage fittings vs
by MC Carpenter 27 Oct '04

27 Oct '04

Follow up on the email on types of fittings used in safety, just how often do the fittings crack, apart from x-ray the fitting can they be checked with the acoustical machine that finds cracks in steel plate welding . can the aircraft ratings for the strength be the same.

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