October 2004 - montgomery_boats - mailman.xmission.com

North Channel Cruise
by htmills＠bright.net 02 Nov '06

02 Nov '06

I'm planning on a two week North Channel Cruise in mid June. I'll probably drive from Ohio to Tobermory, take the Chi-Cheemaun ferry over to South Baymouth (Manitoulin Island), and then drive to Little Current (Manitoulin Island) on Saturday June 5th. I might end up taking the ferry on the morning of the 6th depending on how late I hit the road. At the present time I'm thinking of making a general counter clockwise spin around the North Channel, launching at Spider Bay Marina in Little Current and going north and then west to the Bustard Islands and west and then crossing south to the west end of Manitoulin and returning east again. Of course, all plans are subject to the weather and whims of the person at the helm! Mid June will probably be a bit ahead of the crowd and still kinda nippy. There is some info on the area at: http://www.continuouswave.com/north-channel/ and here: http://www.continuouswave.com/sail-logs/ If anyone else is planning on a trip up there, perhaps we can meet up! Tod

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Additions
by BILLAMICASR＠aol.com 10 Nov '04

10 Nov '04

Hi All, I've added a few pics to the site. If you've ever wondered what the following people look like... Go to the site and you'll find their pictures in an area called MSOG Boats & Owners: Charles Fowlkes, Montana - Tom Wilkinson, Washington - Randy Graves, Idaho - Doug Kelch, Virginia - Todd Mills, Ohio - John Edwards, South Carolina - John Martin, Washington - Mark & Roberta Devorshak - Larry Yake, WA - Al Williams, Maryland - Fred & Lilly Shelley, Arizona. The list is beginning to grow. Now I need help... More boats, more owners! Come on folks... show off the boat. Email me and I'll tell you what I need. Regards, Bill Billamicasr.funtigo.com

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Re: M_Boats: furling genny - reefing cdi
by Steve R. 08 Nov '04

08 Nov '04

This may be a Jerry question. In the SCA interview, Jerry mentioned that the biggest difference between the M-15 and M-17 is the masthead rig. Or words to that effect. My home lake is often devoid of wind during the summer. A genoa would improve things. A genoa with a masthead rig would seem to be a greater improvement. I assume the difference in cost between the two genoa sizes would be slight. I have been thinking about new rigging. I do not think a longer forestay would be that costly. What would be needed to go with a masthead rig, aside from the top casting? Would a second set of shrouds be enough? Are spreaders needed? (Dwyermast.com lists the components on their website for the DM-4 profile.) Could the lower ends attach to the existing hull plates or would a second set be required? Anyone have thought or suggestions? steve Steve R. M-15 #119 Lexington, KY

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improving jib performance on the 15
by Richard Cottrell 01 Nov '04

01 Nov '04

Some time ago, I believe it was Doug Kelch, stated that he put a jug of water below in the forward compartment for added stability to his 15. Soon after reading his post I placed 50 pounds of lead down low in the forward compartment. It's significantly improved jib performance going to weather in heavier winds. The bow doesn't fall off as much in a gust. There's more of a "keel boat" feel to sailing than before. Thank you, Doug. Rich Cottrell "Really" M15

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40' Lyle Hess Motor Sailer
by BILLAMICASR＠aol.com 31 Oct '04

31 Oct '04

Here's one of interest... On Ebay there is a Lyle Hess Motor sailer. Ten day auction and 3 days left. The craft is going for $6800.00. On of two boats built by Lyle Hess himself. Located in Sacramento, CA Go to Ebay and look at Item number: 2496897527. Bill

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Re: M_Boats: Obsessus
by BILLAMICASR＠aol.com 30 Oct '04

30 Oct '04

Thanks Gary, Let's do an album of vanilla. I've only got a couple of shots that I found on Randy Graves CD's that he sent me, so I'll need more. Email me off list if you'ld like vanilla featured... Bill

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Obsessus
by BILLAMICASR＠aol.com 30 Oct '04

30 Oct '04

Hi All, Anyone know how to get ahold of Tom Wilkenson with the M-17 Obsessus? There is a possibility this may have been the first factory boat with oval ports. I'd like to do an album of Obsessus on the web site. Tom, if your there... Email me. Bill

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Re: M_Boats: furling genny - reefing cdi . . .
by Don Haas 30 Oct '04

30 Oct '04

oops! The first sentence should read "never" not "ever" regretted it... Don > [Original Message] > From: Don Haas <dshaas(a)sprintmail.com> > To: Craig F. Honshell <chonshell(a)ia4u.net>; For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Date: 10/29/2004 10:26:09 AM > Subject: Re: M_Boats: furling genny - reefing cdi . . . > > Hi Stan; > > I installed the CDI FF1roller furling on my M15 several years ago and have > ever regretted it. You still need to go thru the same process as described > for the M17s. I just had my 150 converted to use the furler and, > overall, sail shape is good throughout the entire range. Set up and take > down takes a little longer, but not much. The furler is about the same > length as the outside curve of the deck, so it rests there rides there when > trailering and in storage. The following is from a post in 1999 (searched > on "CDI" in the MSOG achieves. > > Don Haas, M15- 248 > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > From: Don Haas > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Sails > Date: 01 Jan 1999 17:52:16 -0800 > ----------------------------------- > I put a CDI furler on my M-15 this year and recommend it highly. I had my > genoa modified to work with the furler so going from full genny to a small > jib > takes seconds, and no one has to go forward. Maybe its just me, but the M15 > seems to behave better with less foresail when the winds kick up at all. > It requires some modification to the forestay and my rigger suggested > replacing > all the standing rigging since it appeared to be original equipment. The > total for all was about $65. CDI recommends having a swivel at each end of > the > forestay, so I made the following modifications. > Add a "dog leg" to the existing thru bolt where the side shrouds attach. (I > don't know if that's the official name for the thing or not, I look for my > West > catalog and find out) > The upper swivel attaches to the dogleg with a shackle pin and split ring. > The > furler drum attaches to the bow fitting like the old forestay. With this > arrangement I can rig either the furler or the original set up. I take the > hanked jib and original forestay with me, although I haven't ever used it. > The only problem I had during installation was with the top fitting on the > furler hitting the mast as it rotated. The angle on the M15 forestay is > quite > small so I may have lost a inch of hoist overall so it wouldn't touch. > Rigging for launch takes an additional 10 minutes or so, and a little more > time > at the end of the day. I trailer with the furler completely off the mast. > The > assembly is almost exactly as long as the outside curve of the boat, so it > lays > neatly along curve of the toe rail, securely attached to the bow pulpit, > shrouds and rear cleat. It . My wife made a padded cover that protects the > drum from gunk while we are on the road. > Hope this helps. > Don Haas > M15-248, Dream Catcher > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > [Original Message] > > From: Stanley Winarski <winarski(a)cox.net> > > To: Craig F. Honshell <chonshell(a)ia4u.net>; For and about Montgomery > Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > > Date: 10/28/2004 7:08:51 PM > > Subject: Re: M_Boats: furling genny - reefing cdi . . . > > > > Has anyone found a reefing furler for the M-15 ? Those I've looked at > > all specifically warn against using it for reefing. > > > > Stan Winarski > > M-15, #177, Carol II > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > > > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats

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Re: M_Boats: Shelley's in Arizona?
by Sandyal55＠aol.com 30 Oct '04

30 Oct '04

Thanks Randy for the info on the Shelley's. Green Valley is about 145 miles South of Mesa. I hope I can see the boat on our lake sometime.

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Re: M_Boats: furling genny - reefing cdi . . .
by Don Haas 29 Oct '04

29 Oct '04

Hi Stan; I installed the CDI FF1roller furling on my M15 several years ago and have ever regretted it. You still need to go thru the same process as described for the M17s. I just had my 150 converted to use the furler and, overall, sail shape is good throughout the entire range. Set up and take down takes a little longer, but not much. The furler is about the same length as the outside curve of the deck, so it rests there rides there when trailering and in storage. The following is from a post in 1999 (searched on "CDI" in the MSOG achieves. Don Haas, M15- 248 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From: Don Haas Subject: Re: M_Boats: Sails Date: 01 Jan 1999 17:52:16 -0800 ----------------------------------- I put a CDI furler on my M-15 this year and recommend it highly. I had my genoa modified to work with the furler so going from full genny to a small jib takes seconds, and no one has to go forward. Maybe its just me, but the M15 seems to behave better with less foresail when the winds kick up at all. It requires some modification to the forestay and my rigger suggested replacing all the standing rigging since it appeared to be original equipment. The total for all was about $65. CDI recommends having a swivel at each end of the forestay, so I made the following modifications. Add a "dog leg" to the existing thru bolt where the side shrouds attach. (I don't know if that's the official name for the thing or not, I look for my West catalog and find out) The upper swivel attaches to the dogleg with a shackle pin and split ring. The furler drum attaches to the bow fitting like the old forestay. With this arrangement I can rig either the furler or the original set up. I take the hanked jib and original forestay with me, although I haven't ever used it. The only problem I had during installation was with the top fitting on the furler hitting the mast as it rotated. The angle on the M15 forestay is quite small so I may have lost a inch of hoist overall so it wouldn't touch. Rigging for launch takes an additional 10 minutes or so, and a little more time at the end of the day. I trailer with the furler completely off the mast. The assembly is almost exactly as long as the outside curve of the boat, so it lays neatly along curve of the toe rail, securely attached to the bow pulpit, shrouds and rear cleat. It . My wife made a padded cover that protects the drum from gunk while we are on the road. Hope this helps. Don Haas M15-248, Dream Catcher ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ [Original Message] > From: Stanley Winarski <winarski(a)cox.net> > To: Craig F. Honshell <chonshell(a)ia4u.net>; For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Date: 10/28/2004 7:08:51 PM > Subject: Re: M_Boats: furling genny - reefing cdi . . . > > Has anyone found a reefing furler for the M-15 ? Those I've looked at > all specifically warn against using it for reefing. > > Stan Winarski > M-15, #177, Carol II > > > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats

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