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Re: Forestay
by Ludlow, Don 06 Jan '04

06 Jan '04

Hi Guys and Gals: Happy new year. Sandra, I read john's remarks in SCA about Steve having his forestay come loose in the Catalina crossing, Ouch! I also replaced the clevis pin and cotter pin on the forestay with a fastpin but instead of taping it, I tie it in place with a shoelace, several half hitches and a bow knot. Same for the fastpin on the rudder. I replaced all the cotter pins with ring pins but after that remark, I will tape them all. We live and learn. Doug, Over the Christmas holidays, I added a Richie "Tactician" surface mount compass to the hatch cover like you have. I added a small teak board to the cover to elevate the compass with two screw heads sticking out about 1/4". The compass drops down on the screws and a twist locks it in place making it easy to remove and install when raising the mast. Works great! I can see the compass heading from anywhere in the cockpit and the adjustable bezel allows you to lock in your heading (my short term memory isn't what it used to be). Running out the Dog river channel into Mobile bay last Saturday (in shorts and a tee shirt - Isn't winter hell), I hit a fog bank. I locked the heading in, ran for thirty minutes, did a reverse and hit the channel dead on (allowing 9 degrees for leeway and current). Of course, A GPS would be better, but that will come later, after my new Genny. Fair winds and an early spring to you unfortunate souls living in the upper reaches of the USA. Don Ludlow, M15 #620 Sweet Dream -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-request@mailman.xmission.com] Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2004 8:53 AM To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 11, Issue 1 Send montgomery_boats mailing list submissions to montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com You can reach the person managing the list at montgomery_boats-owner(a)mailman.xmission.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of montgomery_boats digest..." Today's Topics: 1. RE: 12-28 fasteners? (Smith, Tom) 2. Re: 12-28 fasteners? (Wcpritchett(a)aol.com) 3. Re: 12-28 fasteners? (n9ca) 4. Response to John Edwards (Seawitch) 5. RE: 12-28 fasteners? (Smith, Tom) 6. Gas filling revisited (Doug Kelch) 7. RE: Gas filling revisited (Bill Riker) 8. gas can (Richard Cottrell) 9. Re: gas can (Steve & Diana Parsons) 10. Re: gas can (Doug Kelch) 11. Re: Gas filling revisited (Maria Jorge) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 08:42:09 -0800 From: "Smith, Tom" <Tom.Smith(a)itron.com> Subject: RE: M_Boats: 12-28 fasteners? To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Message-ID: <E15906480B361D4BAA27ADC6EDCAB9EE16DBF9(a)spokane-mx3.itron.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Well, I'm know around my house for overdoing it. I'll go for 12-24, but I'd also considered Bob's idea of overdrilling to 1/4. Thanks for all the feedback. Have a great New Years eve everyone. t Tom Smith & Jane Van Winkle Sandpoint, Idaho M15-345, Chukar M17-064, Unnamed -----Original Message----- From: Sandyal55(a)aol.com [mailto:Sandyal55@aol.com] Sent: Monday, December 29, 2003 5:08 PM To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: 12-28 fasteners? In a message dated 12/29/2003 3:56:38 PM US Mountain Standard Time, Tom.Smith(a)itron.com writes: Or am I overdoing it. Yup; You're overdoing it. Be sure to use "Never Sieze" on the threads to prevent corrosion between different metals. Try an Ace hardware to find it. _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats This message was scanned for viruses!! ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 12:56:56 EST From: Wcpritchett(a)aol.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: 12-28 fasteners? To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Message-ID: <12e.38964713.2d231668(a)aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Tom, I'm late on feedback but...you are talking sheer strength with the cleat right? It doesn't take much thread to hold for sheer. Pull strength is where you would be concerned with the thread. I think sheer on common 1/4" dia steel is around 1500-1800lbs. Pull tests I had done by an engineering firm for an insurance company on #12 steel sheet metal SCREWS in 20 gauge (I think it was 20) metal roof decking came out between 375-450 lbs per screw. They were 20 yrs old. ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 22:58:44 -0500 From: "n9ca" <n9ca(a)comcast.net> Subject: Re: M_Boats: 12-28 fasteners? To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Message-ID: <001601c3cf52$63332530$20e13b44@NONEUV4L664B2I> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" You can find the fasteners you need at: Wicks Aircraft Supply 410 Pine Street Highland, IL 62249 800-221-9425. The countersunk screw heads used in aircraft are 100 degrees, which is not the same angle as those you'd find at an ACE HARDWARE . Wicks is a first class outfit, and gives first class service. Clarence Andrews M-17 Carpe Ventum --- Original Message ----- From: "Smith, Tom" <Tom.Smith(a)itron.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Monday, December 29, 2003 5:55 PM Subject: RE: M_Boats: 12-28 fasteners? Hi guys. I'm mounting larger halyard cleats on our M15's mast and I bought a 4 inch Schaefer jam cleat that uses a #12 fastener. 12-24s are easy to find. Now, 12-28s are an entirely different story. I'd like to use the fine thread to get a better purchase for the fastener. Anybody encountered an outfit that carries this rare size? Or am I overdoing it. Will the 12-24 work okay? Thanks. t Tom Smith & Jane Van Winkle Sandpoint, Idaho M15-345, Chukar M17-064, Unnamed _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 04:08:18 -0800 (PST) From: Seawitch <seawitchlj(a)yahoo.com> Subject: M_Boats: Response to John Edwards To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Message-ID: <20031231120818.66999.qmail(a)web9605.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii John, I second Bill Rikers response to your request about what to include in a book. I'd also like to say, that I have read everything you write for SCA, and love your style. You keep it interesting, and somehow light with your humour. In the most recent issue which I just received you wrote about a trip you took with another Monty owner to Catalina. This one was especially interesting in that on my most recent trip out, my shroud snapped and I did dismast. But, like Bill said, it is the little things which are important in your writing, like mentioning that normally, he did not tape the pin on the forestay. This is one of those tidbits which someone who is eager to glean information will latch on to. No one told me to tape the pin on the shrouds, but I did it anyway, just to feel a little more secure that the little pin would not slip out. But like your friend, I did not tape the pin on the forestay. However, I did change out the original clevis/cotter pin for a more user friendly quick release push pin. Now, I will tape it in when I raise the mast. I look forward to reading your book. And a happy New Year to all on the list. The shortest day of the year has past, and now as each day gets longer, we know Spring is coming! ===== Time for a cool change! Sandra(Seawitch #617) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Find out what made the Top Yahoo! Searches of 2003 http://search.yahoo.com/top2003 ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 08:21:38 -0800 From: "Smith, Tom" <Tom.Smith(a)itron.com> Subject: RE: M_Boats: 12-28 fasteners? To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Message-ID: <E15906480B361D4BAA27ADC6EDCAB9EE16DC07(a)spokane-mx3.itron.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Thanks Clarence. I'll check these guys out. I can't believe I've had so hard a time finding this fastener. The tap was available locally, but when it came to the machine screw, I was SOL. Again, thank you. t Tom Smith & Jane Van Winkle Sandpoint, Idaho M15-345, Chukar M17-064, Unnamed -----Original Message----- From: n9ca [mailto:n9ca@comcast.net] Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2003 7:59 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: 12-28 fasteners? You can find the fasteners you need at: Wicks Aircraft Supply 410 Pine Street Highland, IL 62249 800-221-9425. The countersunk screw heads used in aircraft are 100 degrees, which is not the same angle as those you'd find at an ACE HARDWARE . Wicks is a first class outfit, and gives first class service. Clarence Andrews M-17 Carpe Ventum --- Original Message ----- From: "Smith, Tom" <Tom.Smith(a)itron.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Monday, December 29, 2003 5:55 PM Subject: RE: M_Boats: 12-28 fasteners? Hi guys. I'm mounting larger halyard cleats on our M15's mast and I bought a 4 inch Schaefer jam cleat that uses a #12 fastener. 12-24s are easy to find. Now, 12-28s are an entirely different story. I'd like to use the fine thread to get a better purchase for the fastener. Anybody encountered an outfit that carries this rare size? Or am I overdoing it. Will the 12-24 work okay? Thanks. t Tom Smith & Jane Van Winkle Sandpoint, Idaho M15-345, Chukar M17-064, Unnamed _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats This message was scanned for viruses!! ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2004 12:16:33 -0800 (PST) From: Doug Kelch <doug_kelch(a)yahoo.com> Subject: M_Boats: Gas filling revisited To: Montgomery <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Message-ID: <20040102201633.92255.qmail(a)web13507.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On an earlier posting for filling integral tanks without spilling - someone had responded about a spill proof tank that Briggs and Stratton used to offer. Indeed they still do - my local lawnmower repair shop looked them up in the B&S parts catalog - they offer a 1 1/4 gal plastic can for about $7 but only in quantities of 8. They also offer a 2 1/2 gal in quantities of 3 but I didn't get the price. Such a deal! If anyone wants the other 7 tanks for the $7 per tank plus shipping let me know and I will distribute them. Or if some one else is willing to buy one locally and ship it to us - let us know. Honda 2 hp - At my local Honda dealer I saw a 1 1/4 gal tank which seemed to replace the engine cowling on the Honda 2hp. They were apparently designed to let the Honda 2hp run all day on the bumper boats the carnivals. Only a $70 option but..... Thanks Doug Kelch "Seas the Day" __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Find out what made the Top Yahoo! Searches of 2003 http://search.yahoo.com/top2003 ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2004 17:36:04 -0500 From: "Bill Riker" <wriker(a)mindspring.com> Subject: RE: M_Boats: Gas filling revisited To: "'For and about Montgomery Sailboats'" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Message-ID: <000001c3d183$bc51bc20$a490bc3f@oemcomputer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Doug, I'm interested, if you think it might fit in the shallow cockpit locker. Bill Riker M-15 #184 Storm Petrel -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces+wriker=mindspring.com(a)mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces+wriker=mindspring.com@mailman.xmission. com]On Behalf Of Doug Kelch Sent: January 02, 2004 3:17 PM To: Montgomery Subject: M_Boats: Gas filling revisited On an earlier posting for filling integral tanks without spilling - someone had responded about a spill proof tank that Briggs and Stratton used to offer. Indeed they still do - my local lawnmower repair shop looked them up in the B&S parts catalog - they offer a 1 1/4 gal plastic can for about $7 but only in quantities of 8. They also offer a 2 1/2 gal in quantities of 3 but I didn't get the price. Such a deal! If anyone wants the other 7 tanks for the $7 per tank plus shipping let me know and I will distribute them. Or if some one else is willing to buy one locally and ship it to us - let us know. Honda 2 hp - At my local Honda dealer I saw a 1 1/4 gal tank which seemed to replace the engine cowling on the Honda 2hp. They were apparently designed to let the Honda 2hp run all day on the bumper boats the carnivals. Only a $70 option but..... Thanks Doug Kelch "Seas the Day" __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Find out what made the Top Yahoo! Searches of 2003 http://search.yahoo.com/top2003 _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2004 16:10:46 -0800 (PST) From: Richard Cottrell <rc2222(a)pacbell.net> Subject: M_Boats: gas can To: Montgomery Boats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.Xmission.com> Message-ID: <20040103001046.89367.qmail(a)web80204.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Doug: I'm interested in participating in the purchase of one. Rich Cottrell ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2004 17:17:45 -0800 From: "Steve & Diana Parsons" <sparsons(a)canby.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: gas can To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Message-ID: <000201c3d197$b34905c0$eaac6f0c@Parsons> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I noticed a similar can at my local John Deere dealer. Pricey, but looked like it would do the job. Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Cottrell" <rc2222(a)pacbell.net> To: "Montgomery Boats" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.Xmission.com> Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 4:10 PM Subject: M_Boats: gas can > Doug: > > I'm interested in participating in the purchase of > one. > > Rich Cottrell > > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2004 17:39:32 -0800 (PST) From: Doug Kelch <doug_kelch(a)yahoo.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: gas can To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Message-ID: <20040103013932.13106.qmail(a)web13506.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii The B&S catalog showed a spill resistant 2 1/2 gal container for $23+ and I thought that was a bit pricey. It also has a 2 1/2 gal spill proof which I didn't price but the 1 1/4 gal spill proof was listed for $7. They are going to check the pricing and availability for me on Monday to confirm. I did try the 1 quart oil containers but I made more of mess filling those at home and still overfilled the tank as it wasn't empty enough :( The spill proof dispenser is sounding quite attractive for a mere $7. Doug --- Steve & Diana Parsons <sparsons(a)canby.com> wrote: > I noticed a similar can at my local John Deere > dealer. Pricey, but looked > like it would do the job. > > Steve > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Richard Cottrell" <rc2222(a)pacbell.net> > To: "Montgomery Boats" > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.Xmission.com> > Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 4:10 PM > Subject: M_Boats: gas can > > > > Doug: > > > > I'm interested in participating in the purchase of > > one. > > > > Rich Cottrell > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Find out what made the Top Yahoo! Searches of 2003 http://search.yahoo.com/top2003 ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2004 09:57:12 -0500 From: "Maria Jorge" <mcjorge(a)bellsouth.net> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Gas filling revisited To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Message-ID: <006201c3d209$de9437a0$a3c41542@default> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Doug: I am interested. Maria Jorge Miami, Florida ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Kelch" <doug_kelch(a)yahoo.com> To: "Montgomery" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 3:16 PM Subject: M_Boats: Gas filling revisited > On an earlier posting for filling integral tanks > without spilling - someone had responded about a spill > proof tank that Briggs and Stratton used to offer. > > Indeed they still do - my local lawnmower repair shop > looked them up in the B&S parts catalog - they offer a > 1 1/4 gal plastic can for about $7 but only in > quantities of 8. > > They also offer a 2 1/2 gal in quantities of 3 but I > didn't get the price. > > Such a deal! If anyone wants the other 7 tanks for > the $7 per tank plus shipping let me know and I will > distribute them. > > Or if some one else is willing to buy one locally and > ship it to us - let us know. > > Honda 2 hp - At my local Honda dealer I saw a 1 1/4 > gal tank which seemed to replace the engine cowling on > the Honda 2hp. They were apparently designed to let > the Honda 2hp run all day on the bumper boats the > carnivals. Only a $70 option but..... > > Thanks > > Doug Kelch > "Seas the Day" > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Find out what made the Top Yahoo! Searches of 2003 > http://search.yahoo.com/top2003 > > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ montgomery_boats mailing list montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats End of montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 11, Issue 1 ***********************************************

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Boat for sale
by Jslubliner＠aol.com 05 Jan '04

05 Jan '04

Just to inform the group that I have listed the Flush-Deck "Coyote" in the for sale category of the MSOG. If you have any questions you can contact me off line. Fun, fast and well equipped. Located in Tucson, Az. John Lubliner "Coyote" M17FD #69 jslubliner(a)aol.com

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Re: M_Boats: Umiaq has a new owner
by chbenneck＠juno.com 04 Jan '04

04 Jan '04

Hi Giles, What a way to start the New Year! Sell a boat. ..........well, not up here in Connecticut with snow and ice! I, for one, am perfectly agreeable to have you stay on the list and contribute, but it's going to cost you.......... How about crab cakes once a month or rock fish filets? Happy New Year, and Happy sailing, Connie

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Umiaq has a new owner
by Morris, Giles 03 Jan '04

03 Jan '04

I'm hyperventilating! Umiaq just passed to a new owner and left a few minutes ago. I'll let the new owner introduce himself (assuming he follows my suggestion to join the list), but will say that Tom is a really nice guy and Umiaq will stay in the Chesapeake. This is the most enjoyable mailing list I know, and I hope to remain a participant for the foreseeable future. It wouldn't even be too surprising if there was another Montgomery somewhere in the future. Giles Morris (now Montgomery-less)

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re: B&S gas can
by Seawitch 03 Jan '04

03 Jan '04

Just prior to my trip to FL at Thanksgiving, I located at one of the nearby lawnmower shops one of those gas cans. I got it for the low $7 price. I guess I'm "challenged" but I could not figure out how the thing works. And no, it will not fit in the shallow cockpit locker on the M16. If anyone gets one, and can clue me in on how it works I'd sure appreciate it. ===== Time for a cool change! Sandra(Seawitch #617) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Find out what made the Top Yahoo! Searches of 2003 http://search.yahoo.com/top2003

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Gas filling revisited
by Doug Kelch 03 Jan '04

03 Jan '04

On an earlier posting for filling integral tanks without spilling - someone had responded about a spill proof tank that Briggs and Stratton used to offer. Indeed they still do - my local lawnmower repair shop looked them up in the B&S parts catalog - they offer a 1 1/4 gal plastic can for about $7 but only in quantities of 8. They also offer a 2 1/2 gal in quantities of 3 but I didn't get the price. Such a deal! If anyone wants the other 7 tanks for the $7 per tank plus shipping let me know and I will distribute them. Or if some one else is willing to buy one locally and ship it to us - let us know. Honda 2 hp - At my local Honda dealer I saw a 1 1/4 gal tank which seemed to replace the engine cowling on the Honda 2hp. They were apparently designed to let the Honda 2hp run all day on the bumper boats the carnivals. Only a $70 option but..... Thanks Doug Kelch "Seas the Day" __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Find out what made the Top Yahoo! Searches of 2003 http://search.yahoo.com/top2003

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gas can
by Richard Cottrell 03 Jan '04

03 Jan '04

Doug: I'm interested in participating in the purchase of one. Rich Cottrell

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