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FW: M_Boats: Pacific trailers for M15's
by Morris, Giles 25 Sep '03

25 Sep '03

In a later reply, there was reference to LED lights sold by Seasense. I noticed that they also sell a trailer jack that claims to be corrosion resistant at http://www.unifiedmarine.com/cgi-bin/start.cgi/web2001/seasense/catalog_inde x.html for $63 Giles Morris -----Original Message----- From: Morris, Giles Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2003 9:46 AM To: 'For and about Montgomery Sailboats' Subject: RE: M_Boats: Pacific trailers for M15's Before shortening the distance between the mast stand and the hitch I would wonder what would happen to the weight on the hitch and stability on the road. If the tow vehicle has a tailgate, a reduced distance might make it difficult to open, too. I agree with you about the jack... They seem to have been made with the intent that they be kept dry. The lights on my trailer are sealed and have given no problems, although it helps that they're mounted high up on the guides that come almost to the gunwales and don't spend much time underwater. Giles Morris -----Original Message----- From: bobjudy2(a)comcast.net [mailto:bobjudy2@comcast.net] Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 4:56 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: M_Boats: Pacific trailers for M15's I have just replaced my 1982 Trailrite trailer for my M15 with a new Pacific trailer. The company used the same specs as for the Nor'sea Montgomery 15 factory model, so I guess this is what you get with a new Montgomery.

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RE: M_Boats: Pacific trailers for M15's
by Morris, Giles 25 Sep '03

25 Sep '03

Before shortening the distance between the mast stand and the hitch I would wonder what would happen to the weight on the hitch and stability on the road. If the tow vehicle has a tailgate, a reduced distance might make it difficult to open, too. I agree with you about the jack... They seem to have been made with the intent that they be kept dry. The lights on my trailer are sealed and have given no problems, although it helps that they're mounted high up on the guides that come almost to the gunwales and don't spend much time underwater. Giles Morris -----Original Message----- From: bobjudy2(a)comcast.net [mailto:bobjudy2@comcast.net] Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 4:56 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: M_Boats: Pacific trailers for M15's I have just replaced my 1982 Trailrite trailer for my M15 with a new Pacific trailer. The company used the same specs as for the Nor'sea Montgomery 15 factory model, so I guess this is what you get with a new Montgomery.

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Re: M_Boats: Pacific trailers for M15's
by Stephen Martin 25 Sep '03

25 Sep '03

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Pacific trailers for M15's
by bobjudy2＠comcast.net 25 Sep '03

25 Sep '03

I have just replaced my 1982 Trailrite trailer for my M15 with a new Pacific trailer. The company used the same specs as for the Nor'sea Montgomery 15 factory model, so I guess this is what you get with a new Montgomery. My question concerns the telescoping tongue. The telescoping beam that slides inside my trailer frame is 10 foot long, so when it is fully retracted, there is about 4 foot from the hitch to the mast stand. This is great for the launch ramp, but a problem when backing the rig into my yard. Would those of you with a factory trailer mind measuring your tongue? (That is, the trailer tongue. I really am not that curious about your personal anatomical details.) I am thinking about cutting about 3 foot off the beam and would like to know what length others have found best. My other comments are about the tongue jack and the lights. The trailer comes with a Fulton Magnum Series Jack. I have never been able to get more than about a years usage from Fulton Jacks. If I leave them on the trailer; they corrode and freeze from the salt water. I therefore take it off when I put the trailer in the water, which is a bit of a nuisence. Has anyone found either a way to preserve fulton jacks or a supplier of a better engineered jack? And then there are the submersible lights. These lights have an air pocket around the lights that is suppose to keep the mechanism dry. When I had the trailer in the water, I saw bubbles coming from the left light housing- not a good sign. Again, these seem to have a very limited lifetime due to moisture on the contacts, and I have not had good luck with this system. I always, if I do not forget, unplug the lights when putting the trailer in the water. I also water proof all connections with an electrical sealant and will try to fix the air leak in the left light. I have had much better luck with lights that are a sealed unit, so I guess I will just try to make these last and replace when needed. Thanks for tolerating my grumbling. Bob M15 #208 Castro Valley, CA

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Moet Cup
by Richard Cottrell 24 Sep '03

24 Sep '03

Today, I had the pleasure of watching this America's Cup-style match on San Francisco Bay along the city front between Alinghi, the Swiss America's Cup victor and Oracle, owned by Larry Ellison. Becky (my better half) and I brought our bicycles. We found a spot on a hill at Fort Mason. I was not prepared for the excitement of seeing two spectacular sails beating towards us with a huge fleet of yachts following close behind. After they passed by going towards the Golden Gate bridge we tried to stay with them but couldn't catch up. The masts are humongous in comparison to their hulls. Oracle was ahead by only a boat length as they passed. However, on the down leg run Alinghi was ahead by a couple boat lengths. There was such a huge crowd of sail and motorized boats all over the city front that I can't imagine there won't be a foul called. It's a great setting for such competition. We had typical Indian Summer weather in the 70s with clear beautiful skys and maybe 15 knots of wind. Rich Cottrell on the left coast

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Re: balsa-core
by Jerry Montgomery 23 Sep '03

23 Sep '03

You got me, Tom. I would re-bed all the hardware on the deck anyway on such an old boat, so why not pull everything off this winter. The core would be 1/4" most places, but 1/2 in the cockpit sole, pretty much the same as the 15, altho the 17 will have a little more glass. Pull a bolt and measure the thickness that way. The glass itself is probably no more than 1/8 or 3/16 except in overlap areas and around the mast step and chainplates, so the thickness of the core, if any, should be obvious. We did use foam stringers around the chainplates in the early days; it was strong and I know of no problems with it. We went to balsa because it was less hand work. Jerry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Smith, Tom" <Tom.Smith(a)itron.com> To: "jerry montgomery" <jmbn(a)innercite.com> Sent: Monday, September 22, 2003 2:48 PM Subject: balsa-core > Boy, it sure doesn't look like this 75 I bought has a cored deck/cabin top Jerry. It's obvious all three hatch covers (1 forward and the two lazaret tops) have a core, but man, the rest of the horizontal surfaces look solid to me. The boat I bought was built in April of 75. It's got those lovely half-round strengtheners running beam-wise on the inside of the cabin top. Cored? Not cored? What? > > But I must say I like how the M17 sails. Jane is much more comfortable with the bigger boat feel. Cool boat. t > > Tom Smith > Electric Systems > Itron Inc. > 509-891-3674 > tom.smith(a)itron.com > www.itron.com > > > >

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M_Boats: RE: M-15 PHRF Number montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 7, Issue 27
by Ludlow, Don 22 Sep '03

22 Sep '03

Hi all: I've searched the archives and haven't found a PHRF number for the M-15. I did find some formulas though. The archives list the PHRF number for the M-17 as 295. Since the M-15 hull has about the same lines (scaled down), I thought I could work out a ratio. The rating velocity is given as 3600 / (PHRF + 500) which works out at 4.26 knots for the M-17. The theoretical M-17 hull speed is 1.34 x Sq rt of the LWL (15.8') or 5.33 knots. Thus the PHRF rating speed is 4.26/5.33 or 80% of the hull speed. Applying this to the M-15, I get a hull speed of 4.87S knot based on a LWL of 13.25'. 80% of this gives a PHRF rating speed of 3.90 knots. Backing into the formula above, this gives a PHRF number for the M-15 of 373. Any comments? Don Ludlow M-15 # 620 Sweet Dream Ludlowd(a)bek.com -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-request@mailman.xmission.com] Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2003 11:55 AM To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 7, Issue 27 Send montgomery_boats mailing list submissions to montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com You can reach the person managing the list at montgomery_boats-owner(a)mailman.xmission.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of montgomery_boats digest..." Today's Topics: 1. vague memory . . . (Honshells) 2. M23 (Honshells) 3. RE: vague memory . . . (htmills(a)bright.net) 4. vague memory . . . (Honshells) 5. Re: M_Boats:Plastic lumber for bunks (Steve & Diana Parsons) 6. Re: M_Boats:Plastic lumber for bunks (Richard Lane) 7. Isabel and the Montgomeryites (htmills(a)bright.net) 8. RE: Isabel and the Montgomeryites (htmills(a)bright.net) 9. Re: Isabel and the Montgomeryites (TOMMYVAL(a)aol.com) 10. Solomon's Photos (htmills(a)bright.net) 11. Re: RE: Balsa-core deck (Jerry Montgomery) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 22:30:47 -0400 From: "Honshells" <chonshell(a)ia4u.net> Subject: M_Boats: vague memory . . . To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Message-ID: <006001c37e56$09912420$0e42b3cf@ajrogers> I have vague memories of two "links" emails I archived for later, one for an M23 and one for an M15 for sale . . . Two separate postings . . . I can't find them . . . Does anyone have them? ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 22:32:40 -0400 From: "Honshells" <chonshell(a)ia4u.net> Subject: M_Boats: M23 To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Message-ID: <007001c37e56$4cf94e40$0e42b3cf@ajrogers> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Fred, I'm assuming you're talking about the new M23 Offshore Cutter. I think I speak for everyone when I say, "I'd very much like to see more of and hear more about your boat!!!" I'm also assuming that you've purchased the first Offshore Cutter built. Please post pics when you have them, and let us know how your 23' performs. Thanks! --Craig, chonshell(a)ia4u.net ----- Original Message ----- From: Derfsails(a)aol.com To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2003 3:35 PM Subject: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 7, Issue 3 Hi Mark, You may want to talk with Bob Eeg, as the 23 I have purchased from him does have a bronze center board. We are scheduled to put the mast up and check the center board this coming Monday then put it in the water on Tuesday. Fred Shelley derfsails(a)aol.com

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RE: M_Boats: RE: M-15 PHRF Number montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 7, Issue 27
by Randy Graves 22 Sep '03

22 Sep '03

Hi Don, I had the same question a while back and received the following reply from Ken Abrahams. -----Original Message----- From: Ken Abrahams [mailto:abrahams@structurex.net] Sent: Fri 7/11/2003 7:52 AM To: Randy Graves; For and about MontgomerySailboats Cc: Subject: Re: M_Boats: PHRF Rating for M15? Here is a way to calculate PHRF if no rating is available. From the Portsmouth Tables the following conversion is given: Portsmouth = PHRF/6 +55 This converts to: PHRF = (Portsmouth - 55) X 6 Monty 15 is 108.1 Portsmouth and this converts to 318.6 PHRF. Ken Abrahams Monty 15, Petite Fleur Lake Charles, La ----- Original Message ----- From: Randy Graves <mailto:RandyG@cite.nic.edu> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <mailto:montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2003 1:26 PM Subject: M_Boats: PHRF Rating for M15? Can someone tell me the PHRF rating for the M-15? I searched the archives and found suggested numbers for the M-23 and M-17 but none for the M-15. Any help is appreciated! Thank you, Randy Graves M-15 #407 -----Original Message----- From: Ludlow, Don [mailto:LudlowD@BEK.com] Sent: Mon 9/22/2003 5:32 AM To: 'montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com' Cc: Subject: M_Boats: RE: M-15 PHRF Number montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 7, Issue 27 Hi all: I've searched the archives and haven't found a PHRF number for the M-15. I did find some formulas though. The archives list the PHRF number for the M-17 as 295. Since the M-15 hull has about the same lines (scaled down), I thought I could work out a ratio. The rating velocity is given as 3600 / (PHRF + 500) which works out at 4.26 knots for the M-17. The theoretical M-17 hull speed is 1.34 x Sq rt of the LWL (15.8') or 5.33 knots. Thus the PHRF rating speed is 4.26/5.33 or 80% of the hull speed. Applying this to the M-15, I get a hull speed of 4.87S knot based on a LWL of 13.25'. 80% of this gives a PHRF rating speed of 3.90 knots. Backing into the formula above, this gives a PHRF number for the M-15 of 373. Any comments? Don Ludlow M-15 # 620 Sweet Dream Ludlowd(a)bek.com

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Re: M_Boats: Moet Cup
by Rotortom2＠aol.com 21 Sep '03

21 Sep '03

Rich, Thanks for the blow-by-blow of the sailing you saw today. As I read your post, I could feel the power of those boats, and as I have only sailed for 5 years or so, I still cannot figure out how a sailboat with that much sail area in the winds they sail in can still stay upright. Have fun! Tom Woodworth M-17 "Wild Hare"

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Re: M_Boats: Solomon's Photos
by TOMMYVAL＠aol.com 21 Sep '03

21 Sep '03

Gordon, Solomons is a small town located at the end of Rt 4 in Southern Maryland. It's on the Patuxent River about 2 miles from the Chesapeake Bay. A real nice place to sail, a lot less crowed than Annapolis and better afternoon winds as well. Gary

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