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Re: M_Boats: New old M-17
by Wilsometer＠aol.com 11 May '03

11 May '03

In a message dated 5/11/03 4:11:07 PM, wmcsyl1(a)cox.net writes: >I am in the process of buying an old M-17. It is motorless. Will a >Honda 4-stroke 2hp do for me? > >Luffer Luffer, I use a Honda 2hp/4-stroke for my M15, and find it just adequate. The M17 weighs twice what the M15 does, and has more wetted area. If you were only going to use the motor for getting in/out of the dock, or on a small lake, the 2hp might suffice. For bigger water, fighting chop/headwinds/current, I think you would find the little Honda wanting. I think that you will find that most M17 owners opt for engines in the 4-5 hp range. My vote would be for either the Yamaha 4hp/4-stroke (which has both an integral fuel tank and hookup for external tank), or the Honda 5hp/4-stroke. From what I am hearing, the Yamaha may be the better engine (best fuel consumption, better dealer/service network). There are also offerings from Nissan, Mercury, etc. Most of these are based on the same Tohatsu engine, but with different cosmetic treatment. Be informed that two-strokes are now outlawed in many areas. Good luck! Scott Grometer, M15 #478 'bebe'

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Two interesting marinas
by Stan Froseth 11 May '03

11 May '03

Lynn & I had a super series of maiden voyages on Mission Bay with "Cat's Paw"...just wanted to thank folks on the list and website that generously provided info and opinioons about the area (including the archives). Bob Eeg, Natalie and Alonso at the Montgomery factory gave us a fun send-off in the parking lot. Roger at Pacific Trailers set us up with a spare tire at short notice, and gave the trailer a thorough adjustment and fine tuning before the 2500 mile trip to Minnesota. At Mission Bay, we rented a slip ($30/night) for four nights at the Dana Inn and Marina. This marina is primarily a small boat setup (due to the fixed bridge over the entrance to the bay). Even so, "Cat's Paw" was by far the tiniest lil thing in the harbor. We got lots of compliments on the boat and some stimulating conversations from long-term slip renters (mostly from Arizona, it seemed). The dockmaster there is Ted Bremer, who *really* enjoys his work. He's a crazed small boat sailor and racer. I highly recommend this place to anyone wanting a fun. "urban" small boat experience. On the way home, we stopped by Kaw Lake in northern Oklahoma. It's a Corps of Engineers project, about 20 miles long. During our visit (3 nights and 2 sailing days) the water was high and sediment-laden (i.e. brown), and the wind was mostly in the 10-15 mph range--good, challenging sailing with lots of wind shifts coming out of the draws. The shoreline is mostly undeveloped and scenic. In some of the gustier periods we practiced heaving-to; it worked fine. We stayed two nights in the McFadden campground next to the boat ramp, and one night on board at the McFadden Marina. It's a full-service place and inexpensive ($10/night); the owner/dockmaster is Terry Perry, who also does a great job. Stan Froseth M15 #616 "Cat's Paw" Duluth, MN _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail

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Re: M_Boats: M-15 For Sale in Maryland
by chbenneck＠juno.com 11 May '03

11 May '03

Hi John, I can see why you are in love with a Folkboat. An M15 with more room and capability - but not the trailerability! I sailed and raced a Folkboat in the Stockholm archipelago with a Swedish friend in a Royal Swedish Yacht Club race that ended at their club house on an outer island of the archipelago Folkboats were all pulled up; bow to the beach; anchor off the stern; formal clothes came out of the fore peak, and it became a joyous festival of 1 kreftor (crayfish) 1 aquavit; one kreftor, one aquavit........... far into the night. The Folkboat is a great sailer, and has been across the Atlantic many times : "JESTER" in the Single handed race from England to the USA, as an example Good luck on your sale. Your M15 sound great. Connie

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M-15 For Sale in Maryland
by John Harris 11 May '03

11 May '03

I am suffering acutely from a need to buy a bigger boat. But before I give in to that sinful impulse, I thought I'd see to it that my beloved "Chimpanzee" found a good home, rather than joining the huddled mob of boats in my backyard. The ad is pasted below: For Sale: 1988 Montgomery 15 Boat Name: "Chimpanzee" (M15 #412) Location: Annapolis, Maryland Seller: John C. harris Email: jazzyachts(a)aol.com Description: A much-cossetted Montgomery 15. Glossy gelcoat, dark red sheer stripe, and excellent teak trim. Fully found vessel, ready to cruise anywhere. I used the boat for multi-day cruises on the Chesapeake, and in February 2003, for a 10-day cruise in Florida. The best equipped M-15 on the market? Partial gear list: Two mainsails (one 2002), two jibs (one used <15 times), new spinnaker, Harken roller furling (2002) and new blocks and deck hardware, Harken throughout. New boom, boom vang, wire halyards, and topping lift. New rudder and tiller. Bow pulpit, Danforth anchor. Boarding ladder. Cockpit cushions. 2001 Honda 2HP 4-stroke, <30 hours. No mixing oil with the gas! Professionally installed 12-volt system (2002). New battery, running lights, cabin lights, and accessory plug. A solar panel, neatly installed on the hatch, keeps up the battery. Interior is very clean and includes a removeable galley with stove and an excellent chemical head. Centerboard removed, faired and refinished, and reinstalled in 2002. Trailer is very good, with 2003 wheels and tires and A+ bearings. Why am I selling? IÂve found a Swedish Folkboat that I simply must have. Email for digital photos. Price: $ 5500 firm

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RE: M_Boats: Cleaning Non-Skid Stains
by Morris, Giles 11 May '03

11 May '03

> removing tought stains from the non-skid? Depending on the stain, I've had moderate success with a pressure washer. Giles

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Re: M_Boats: Cleaning Non-Skid Stains
by Wcpritchett＠aol.com 11 May '03

11 May '03

I use toilet bowl type cleaners to take tough stains off of fiberglass. I doesn't ruin the gelcoat and 30+ yrs of doing it on my boats has never damaged anything. The acids have changed throughout the yrs but these products still work. Do a couple of quick applications with rinses to get the idea how strong it is. Rinse well and don't leave it on more than a few minutes between applications. That's my 02.

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Who was that on SF bay today?
by Wilsometer＠aol.com 10 May '03

10 May '03

Who was that sailing a beautiful M17 (sail #362, I think) between the SF Bay Bridge and Alcatraz Saturday afternoon? We hailed you from the brown Flicka, but I don't think you heard (you probably thought we were trying to run you down, but we really just wanted to say 'hi'). Scott Grometer, M15 #478 'bebe'

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Re: M_Boats: Folding Sails
by Saltm17＠aol.com 10 May '03

10 May '03

I do roll up my racing sails, but the cruising sails I've folded for 18 years. They're quite baggy now after all these years but the folding never caused any problems. That mabe because I seldom flake the sail in exactly the same spots before folding them up. And when the winds pick up enough that it's time to reduce sail it sure helps to have the sails always in the same arrangement in the bag. John

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Briggs Outboard NOT saltworthy
by Wilsometer＠aol.com 10 May '03

10 May '03

In a message dated 5/4/03 8:18:23 PM, HarveyWilson(a)compuserve.com writes: >Can you get the specs on the Briggs O/B and compare to the Honda ?? If >the B&S does what you want, get it. A word of caution regarding the Briggs & Stratton outboard: It is *not* recommended for use in Salt Water. See for yourself at: http://www.briggsandstratton.com/MainSite.asp?CategoryID=289&lrID=1&ParentI… 89&MSCSSID=1234&MB=&EPAGE=/main/RealBriggs/WebSite/NA/EN/new_products/outboard .mb&l=0 Scott Grometer, M15 #478 'bebe'

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Re: M_Boats: Folding Sails
by Woodsybill＠aol.com 10 May '03

10 May '03

I'm not sure I want to get involved in this sail folding discussion but I just recently (April) took part in a basic Keelboat sailing course on San Francisco Bay conducted by OCSC from the Berkeley Marina in J-24's and we were taught to both fold and roll. After removing hanks, the jib is first flaked out on the foredeck, folded to approx.width of sail bag and then rolledforward toward the tack. The main sail, when remaining on the boom, is carefully folded into perhaps 12" to 16" folds and then wrapped to the boom with ties and then covered. You would not be able to stuff or cram a sail with stiff battens or wire luff into a bag. My HANDBOOK OF SAILING by Bob Bond advises that jibs be rolled if they have a wire luff and mains be folded, first from foot to head and then clew to tack to dimensions of sail bag. But under stress, wedging oneself in the bow pulpit and being inundated with spray and breaking waves, anything may go when attempting jib change just to get it out of the way, including just dragging it still sopping wet into the cabin or an available locker. Whatever works under the conditions. If anyone is interested in taking part in a first in a first class sailing course I would first recommend San Francisco Bay and then OCSC. Sailing conditions fantastic, facilities and boats top notch and instruction very intensive and most important, professional. Bill K. M-17 #55

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