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Re: M_Boats: Yamaha 4 in left and right?!
by DDAYSTROM＠aol.com 13 May '03

13 May '03

Sorry for the confusion. Yor are correct the handle is on the left side. When I replied I was describing the handle location looking aft not forward. -alw In a message dated 5/13/2003 12:36:28 AM Eastern Standard Time, Wilsometer writes: > hen I read this, I was perplexed. I just looked at a 2003 Yamaha > 4hp/4-stroke this past weekend, and I could have sworn that it had the > control handle on the left side. I went to the Yamaha website, and sure > enough, there is a photo of both the 2.5 and 4 with left > handles:

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Yamaha 4 in left and right?!
by Wilsometer＠aol.com 13 May '03

13 May '03

In a message dated 5/12/03 7:08:38 AM, DDAYSTROM(a)aol.com writes: >How old is your M17? If you have a cut-out on the transom for the engine >make sure you check the look and feel of the Yamaha 4hp/4-stroke attached >to the transom. The control handle is centered on the right side of the >engine and does not give good side to side clearence in my opinion. I found >it to be a little awkward stering and controlling the engine at the same >time. When I read this, I was perplexed. I just looked at a 2003 Yamaha 4hp/4-stroke this past weekend, and I could have sworn that it had the control handle on the left side. I went to the Yamaha website, and sure enough, there is a photo of both the 2.5 and 4 with left handles: http://www.yamaha-motor.com/products/subcatinfo.asp?lid=5&lc=otb&cid=19&sci… &year=2003&cat=Four+Stroke+Series&scat=Portable I looked at my notes, and I think the model number I looked at was a "F4MLHB". Perhaps you can order in either left or right configurations? Scott Grometer M15 #478 'bebe'

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New old M-17
by Harvey Wilson 13 May '03

13 May '03

Hi .. >>I am in the process of buying an old M-17. It is motorless. Will a Honda 4-stroke 2hp do for me?<< I see most have encouraged you towards 4-6 hp motors...so will I. Even if you mostly sail on an inland lake, as I do, the more powerful motor will be more useful, especially if you trailer sail to the Gulf, or areas with a tide or currents. Be sure to get a long shaft, and F-N-R shifting. Also be aware of the size of the prop. I use one of two Seagulls..a 3hp and a 5 hp. The prop on the 3 hp will not bite the rudder, but the 5 hp will. Mention was also made concerning the motor's handle. Both of the Seagulls handles are on the port side of the boat...it has the cutout, as Stargazer is a 1979 model. Essentially, I steer with the rudder, leaving the motor centered. It's possible to do some steering with the motor, but it's only marginally effective when you want to turn to the right. Harvey/ Ga M-17 Stargazer #294

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Cleaning Non-Skid Stains
by Harvey Wilson 13 May '03

13 May '03

>>Does anyone have a remidy for removing tought stains from the non-skid?<< Pressure washing, with a bit of bleach if there's a container for it should do it. I pressure washed Stargazer when I got her and I was amazed how well she cleaned up...even gray teak!! Harvey/ Ga M-17 Stargazer #294

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Re: M_Boats: New old M-17
by DDAYSTROM＠aol.com 13 May '03

13 May '03

Bill, I believe the Merc 4,5,6, Nissan/Tohatsu 4,5,6 will work much better on the transom cut, than the Yamaha. Before I bought the Yamaha I had a 8hp 2cycle Tohatsu. -alw >Thanks for the heads up. My boat is a 1978 and does have the transom >cutout. Have you found an outboard that will work with the cutout? >How about the Mercury 4 Four Stroke Sailpower, the tiller appears to be >on the left side of the motor.

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Where are they now?
by Doug King 13 May '03

13 May '03

If anyone has the current email address for either Bud Chalecki or Rick Jacobson, could you please email it to me off-list to msog(a)msog.org? Someone would like to get in touch with either of them. Thanks, Doug ------------------------------------------ Doug King M-17 #404 "Vixen" Montgomery Sailboats Owners Group Web site: http://msog.org Email: mailto:msog@msog.org

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RE: Outboards again summary
by Harvey Wilson 13 May '03

13 May '03

Hi Ran.. Looks like you should get the 4hp Yamaha, as the convenience of F-N-R is considerable, especially if you motor a lot. However, I'd reconsider and get the long shaft, for the reasons given. My M-17 has the cutout transom, but I still use long shaft motors..a 30 pound 3hp Seagull with F-N, and a 56 pound 5 hp Seagull with F-N-R. The admirable approves of the F-N-R, and I like the lighter 3 hp...guess what sits on the transom 90% of the time <GG> Harvey/ Ga M-17 Stargazer #294

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Re: M_Boats: New old M-17
by DDAYSTROM＠aol.com 12 May '03

12 May '03

Hi Bill, How old is your M17? If you have a cut-out on the transom for the engine make sure you check the look and feel of the Yamaha 4hp/4-stroke attached to the transom. The control handle is centered on the right side of the engine and does not give good side to side clearence in my opinion. I found it to be a little awkward stering and controlling the engine at the same time. For that reason and others, I'm reinforcing the transom and installing an adjustable motor mount on the port side and a transom ladder on the starboard side. al williams M17 #329 Horizon In a message dated 5/11/2003 8:30:12 PM Eastern Standard Time, wmcsyl1(a)cox.net writes: > Scott and Irv, > > Thank you very much for your words of wisdom. I will start looking > for the Yahama. Right now the boat has an electric trolling motor and > will probably be real snail under power. > The owner has it in a slip in our harbor and is trying to secure the > trailer so I can bring her home. She is presently in working condition > but will need a lot of work to bring her up to snuff. I think we will > have a mussel feed when I first get her home as she is now home to many. > Our new boat will be a real challenge for us. I am thankful to have > other Montgomery owners as a resource. > > Thanks, > > Bill ( boat name and hull number to be determined) > > On Sunday, May 11, 2003, at 05:04 PM, Wilsometer(a)aol.com wrote: > > > > > In a message dated 5/11/03 4:11:07 PM, wmcsyl1(a)cox.net writes: > > > >> I am in the process of buying an old M-17. It is motorless. Will a > >> Honda 4-stroke 2hp do for me? > >> > >> Luffer > > > > Luffer, > > I use a Honda 2hp/4-stroke for my M15, and find it just adequate. The > > M17 > > weighs twice what the M15 does, and has more wetted area. If you were > > only > > going to use the motor for getting in/out of the dock, or on a small > > lake, > > the 2hp might suffice. For bigger water, fighting > > chop/headwinds/current, I > > think you would find the little Honda wanting. > > > > I think that you will find that most M17 owners opt for engines in the > > 4-5 hp > > range. My vote would be for either the Yamaha 4hp/4-stroke (which has > > both > > an integral fuel tank and hookup for external tank), or the Honda > > 5hp/4-stroke. From what I am hearing, the Yamaha may be the better > > engine > > (best fuel consumption, better dealer/service network). There are also > > offerings from Nissan, Mercury, etc. Most of these are based on the > > same > > Tohatsu engine, but with different cosmetic treatment. > > > > Be informed that two-strokes are now outlawed in many > areas. > > > > Good luck! > > Scott Grometer, M15 #478 'bebe' > > > > _______________________________________________

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New old M-17
by Bill Sylvester 12 May '03

12 May '03

I am in the process of buying an old M-17. It is motorless. Will a Honda 4-stroke 2hp do for me? Luffer

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M17 Outboard
by ron and cathryn goodspeed 12 May '03

12 May '03

Hello Luffer, After much thought, questioning, etc I just ordered a Suzuki 6HP 4 stroke for our older M17. It has an internal tank and the connections for an external tank, a longer tiller than most and weighs less than 60 lbs. M-boat subscriber Randy Watkins recommended this motor [see his posting on May 5]. It can also be equipped with an alternator. I ordered from www.marine-outboards.com for a delivered price of $1280 [no tax]. They said delivery will take 2-3 weeks so have not taken delivery yet nor have I ever dealt with this company so am hoping all goes well. The Honda 5HP looks great but must use an external tank-too bad! Best Wishes, Ron Goodspeed

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