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Re: M_Boats: Dinghy for M15
by Wilsometer＠aol.com 20 May '02

20 May '02

In a message dated 5/19/02 9:49:19 PM, cwfowlkes(a)imt.net writes: << Some friends are cruising Desolation Sound in July and we may trail the M15 to Canada and join them. We will need some kind of dinghy for this trip. We have big dinghies but I think we want a minimal, small, 2-person, inflatable to use with the M15. Any advice on a dinghy for the M15? >> Charless, We have cruised our M15 in extensively in Desolation Sound, Princess Louisa, etc. We towed a West Marine FRU-260 Roll-up sport boat type dinghy (hard transom, slatted floor). This is an 8'-3" boat weighing about 50 pounds that can be stowed below if needed. I bought it for my larger boat, but it ended up working very well for the M15. We frequently hauled four people (we cruised, at times, with another M15). Our Honda 2hp (mother ship's main engine) would push it more than adequately, though we did this only once. We preferred oar power given that the boat rowed reasonably well (for an inflatable). Mine is vintage 1995, and at that time, West had 'Force 4' (a New Zealand company) make their inflatables. The current version is a little heavier, has a more blunt bow, and is made by Zodiac. They have since come out with an RU-200, which, at 6'-7", is probably of more appropriate scale to the M15 (though is only 2 passenger). Perhaps the latter would suit your needs. I would stay away from the pool-toy type inflatables for anything other than, well, pools! I would have loved to have one of the little Montgomery hard dinghies, but frankly, I found the inflatable the better choice both for the M15 and the type of conditions I encountered during Northwest cruising. Here is my reasoning: 1) I didn't want to/didn't think it is a good idea to tow the dinghy behind the M15 during rough, longer, open water crossings such as the Strait of Georgia. While not exactly compact when rolled, the RU-260 does fit below. 2) You are in the dinghy constantly in areas like Louisa and Desolation. You will find that most anchorages require a bow anchor and a stern tie line around a tree, rock, etc. on shore. You have to row this line to shore and back to the boat. Often the shore is a sheer cliff, and the stability of the inflatable was helpful in standing/reaching for attachment points. 3) In Desolation and points north, docks are virtually nonexistent You will go ashore for hikes, swims (freshwater lakes at Grace Harbour, Tenedos Bay, Roscoe Bay, Teakerne Arm, etc.), to empty your porta -potti (there are a few outhouses), and to get water. In some cases, you will need/want to anchor some distance from the shore landings. Furthermore, if you are gong to land for any period of time, you will need to carry your dinghy up to and/or down from above the high tide line. Tide ranges are BIG here, and you might find your dinghy long adrift if you leave it below high water mark. Conversely, if you land at high tide, you may be carrying your boat a considerable distance back to the water if you return at low tide. I was able to carry mine solo a reasonable distance to and from the water. Some say that hard dinghies are better suited to such rocky areas, but I found that I could disembark in ankle-deep water, and then carry the boat ashore. I would not be happy grinding a hard dinghy across the rocks anyway. 4) Because you will use the dinghy frequently, you will want it tied along side. I found that with the inflatable, I did not have to take any precautions to keep it from 'bumping' into the boat (it is, after all, a giant fender!). The stability of the inflatable makes for easier embarking/disembarking. 5) Stowage is easier once back home (they recommend that you stow partially inflated). Mine hangs in slings above the boat in the garage. The advantages of a hard dinghy are not lost on me (they row better, some have sailing rigs, no concerns about punctures, etc.); I only think that on the boat the size of an M15, a hard dinghy is best reserved for protected/calm waters. I have been in conditions where we would have had little choice but to cut the dinghy loose had we had a hard dinghy. You certainly could not fit one on deck! There is considerable debate as to whether Hypalon or PVC coated fabrics are better for inflatable dinghies. In general, Hypalon is probably the better material given its resistance to UV, but Hypalon boats are considerably more expensive. The Zodiac boats are PVC, and as long as you don't store them in the sun, or use them in tropical climates year-round, you will probably get years of trouble free service. I regularly slather mine with 303 Protectant as a precaution. Well, Larry Pardey would not agree with my choice, but then he probably would not like fiberglass lapstrakes either! (I actually have great respect for Larry and his choices). Hope this perspective is helpful. Perhaps we will run into you in Desolation. I am waiting to see if I will have time to squeeze in a trip. Hold onto that bow pulpit--I think you might want it someday!! Good Luck! Scott Grometer M15 #478, 'bebe'

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Fw: Dinghy for M15
by Charless Fowlkes 20 May '02

20 May '02

---------- > From: Charless Fowlkes <cwfowlkes(a)imt.net> > To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > Subject: Dinghy for M15 > Date: Saturday, May 18, 2002 11:03 PM > > I am still working on my "new" M15. The trailer is now rebuilt and looks > great. The bowsprit is gone and the holes are filled and textured with gel > coat so they are hard to see. The Suzuki motor is cleaned and started the > second pull. > > I added a telescoping, transom ladder. I resist adding stuff to this > pretty little boat but I think the ladder adds safety. > > I will re-arrange and probably augment the foam flotation. > > I may even launch the boat in a week or so and SAIL IT! > > Some friends are cruising Desolation Sound in July and we may trail the M15 > to Canada and join them. We will need some kind of dinghy for this trip. > > We have big dinghies but I think we want a minimal, small, 2-person, > inflatable to use with the M15. Any advice on a dinghy for the M15? > > Thanks. > > Charless Fowlkes > Bozeman, MT > > cwfowlkes(a)imt.net

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Trailer Hitches
by Honshells 20 May '02

20 May '02

Any opinions on the best brand of Class III hitch? Reese? Hidden Hitch (Draw-Tite)?

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M17 High-Aspect Rudder
by Honshells 20 May '02

20 May '02

What is a "High-Aspect Rudder"? What are the implications when Jerry says the M17 has a "High-Aspect Rudder"? Thanks.

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Montgomery Dinghy
by Maria Jorge 19 May '02

19 May '02

If anyone is interested, there is a 9ft Montgomery dinghy on Ebay complete with sail and trailer. Looks to be in great shape. Must be picked up in California.

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Dinghy for M15
by Charless Fowlkes 19 May '02

19 May '02

I am still working on my "new" M15. The trailer is now rebuilt and looks great. The bowsprit is gone and the holes are filled and textured with gel coat so they are hard to see. The Suzuki motor is cleaned and started the second pull. I added a telescoping, transom ladder. I resist adding stuff to this pretty little boat but I think the ladder adds safety. I will re-arrange and probably augment the foam flotation. I may even launch the boat in a week or so and SAIL IT! Some friends are cruising Desolation Sound in July and we may trail the M15 to Canada and join them. We will need some kind of dinghy for this trip. We have big dinghies but I think we want a minimal, small, 2-person, inflatable to use with the M15. Any advice on a dinghy for the M15? Thanks. Charless Fowlkes Bozeman, MT cwfowlkes(a)imt.net

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Re: M_Boats: trailer refurb and a question on winch location.
by Larry Yake 19 May '02

19 May '02

Wayne, With the older models like ours, you can suspend the boat by the toe rails if you use several attachment points. Either build a rack over the boat (which is what I did) or, if you have access to a shop with strong enough beams, hang it in there. Take all the excess weight out of the boat first (anchor, motor, etc.) and make sure you toe rails are tight and sound. One way of raising the boat off the trailer is to lower the jack as far as possible, which raises the rear several inches. Tie that up. Then raise the jack all the way and tie up the bow. Add some lines in the middle too for extra support. With any luck, when you lower the tongue, the boat will be off the trailer. You may have to let the air out of the tires to squeak it out of there. Add a couple extra ropes slung under the boat for safety that you can shift out of your way as you need and some sort of cross bracing a little below the boat to prevent it from dropping on you if something fails. Mines been hanging like that for 3 weeks now as I redo the hull. Good luck. Larry Yake M17, #200 Tullamore On Fri, 17 May 2002 21:56:20 -0500 "wayne yeargain" <wayne(a)ev1.net> writes: > Could you tell me the details of jacking the boat up and getting it > off the > trailer. I need to do the same with my M17, want to paint the boat, > & do > some repair on the trailer, & I. have been reluctant to start. > What type jack did you use, where did you place it, & how did you > block the > boat up? > How do you get the trailer out from under the boat with the jack in > place? > Appreciate your input. > > Wayne M17 #204 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <htmills(a)bright.net> > To: ">Mboats<" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Sent: Friday, May 17, 2002 4:24 PM > Subject: M_Boats: trailer refurb and a question on winch location. > > > Well, wish me luck....Am in the process of a trailerectomy. Last > time I > jacked > the boat up off the trailer; this time I'm jacking up the whole kit > and > caboodle, > then blocking the boat and lowering the trailer. We'll see which is > easier. > 'Twould be nice to have slings and a hoist but alas I have none > (next time > around > I hope to!). > > Just picked up the sandblaster. Bought some steel from work to > replace the > tongue > tube and add keel rollers (will have 4 instead of 1) and keel > guides. > Thanks everyone > > > for sending in their pictures of their guides (and Doug for adding > them to > the web page), > it helped me see how I'd like to do them. > > Hopefully by this time tomorrow the trailer will have that stuff and > a coat > of primer > on it. > > *******Question in this paragraph******Right now, there is a 2.5" x > 2.5" > square > tube sticking up from the tongue tube. On top of that is a 3" or 4" > (can't > recall just > what it is) channel with both legs facing down. The winch is > mounted on top > of that > and there is a V-block at the aft end of the channel for the bow of > the > boat. The > V-block contacts the bow a couple of inches below the bow eye. Does > anyone > ave a better arrangement? > > Thanks much, > > Tod > > > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > > > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats >

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Re: M_Boats: List Introduction
by Larry Yake 18 May '02

18 May '02

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Raising the Montgomery
by Thomas Howe 18 May '02

18 May '02

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List Introduction
by Randy Graves 18 May '02

18 May '02

M-Boaters, A quick note to re-introduce myself to the list. Randy Graves – Post Falls, Idaho 1988 M-15 #407 “Dinky Boat” Zieman trailer and Yamaha 4 hp OB Have only slight modifications to boat and trailer. Added PVC keel guides to trailer and a mount for the OB on the winch post on the front of the trailer. For the boat, I brought all the lines back aft for single handed sailing. I am working on some canvas projects for this season to include a main sail cover and a pouch or two in the cockpit for storing lines. Was active on the list up until a couple of years ago when my family and I relocated to N. Idaho. Had my hands full with a new job and going back to school, not much time for sailing. Things have settled down again and am again looking forward to more sailing. We live near Coeur d’Alene Idaho, just 5 miles over the border from Washington. Lake of choice for sailing is Pend Orreille (pronounced Pond-O-Ray). Glad to be a part of the list again. Looking forward to reading what is happening with other “M” owners. Randy G. Randy_Graves(a)nic.edu

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