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Re: M_Boats: cockpit drain backwash
by Wcpritchett＠aol.com 26 Apr '02

26 Apr '02

I don't know if this will work on the M17 but bigger boats have the cockpit drain hoses crossed over to the opposite side. The boat has to be deep enough to locate them below the max heel angle. This keeps them from backing up when heeled.

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RE: M_Boats: Mast-Step
by Smith, Tom 26 Apr '02

26 Apr '02

Check out this site Craig. Dwyer will at least give you an idea of what I'm talking about... http://www.dwyermast.com/plates.htm Tom Smith Itron Inc. Phone: 509-928-1707 ext. 248 Fax: 509-928-2581 E-mail: tom.smith(a)itron.com Website: www.linesoft.com Knowledge to Shape Your Future -----Original Message----- From: Honshells [mailto:chonshell@ia4u.net] Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 7:22 PM To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: M_Boats: Mast-Step I'm not familiar with deck-plates, Tom: Can you give me more detail? A piece of hardware that goes under the mast-step and has attachment points? External on the top of the cabin? Thanks! --Craig ----- Original Message ----- From: "Smith, Tom" <Tom.Smith(a)itron.com> To: <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 4:22 PM Subject: Mast-Step If you are going to the trouble of rebedding the mast step, why not install a deck plate at the same time. A plate gives you some nice options for attaching blocks, boom vang, etc. Tom Smith and Jane Van Winkle M15/345 -- Chukar Sandpoint, Idaho -----Original Message----- From: Howard Audsley [mailto:haudsley@tranquility.net] Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 5:07 AM To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: Mast-Step On 4/23/02 9:54 PM, "Honshells" <chonshell(a)ia4u.net> wrote: > > Has anyone rebed their M17's (perhaps the M15's is the same) mast-step? Was > it difficult to remove? What sealant did you use? Can anyone recommend any > other mast-step/compression-post maintenance, other than rebedding the step > for water-tightness? > > Thanks! > > > > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > I did mine last year. It is important to note that the mast-step is over an area with balsa core. I was hunting for leaks, so I decided to go after this too. The bolt holes are either 1/4" or 5/16ths". I drilled those out to at least 3/8" from the top, and 1/2" on the bottom. I then used a Dremmel tool with the saw blade to ream out a core area between the two sandwich layers. This was filled with thickened epoxy that seals the hole and serves as a compression post or plug in the core area. The holes for the mast-step were then re-drilled and bedded with boatlife caulk. At the same time, I also sealed the core area exposed by the light socket plug, which is adjacent to the mast step. Actually, I removed every bolt that goes through the cabin deck core areas (there are several), drilled the holes out oversized, backfilled with epoxy, re-drilled and bedded. This included not only the mast-step and light plug, but also both handrails, a winch, and turning blocks and cleat for the topping lift. So far, the deck leaks have stopped. Howard _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats

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Re: M_Boats: cockpit drain elegant solution
by GILASAILR＠aol.com 26 Apr '02

26 Apr '02

I think the cork in the cockpit drain (scupper) is an elegant solution, if augmented of with a lanyard tied around the helmsman's waist. Added Buoyancy! Auxiliary PFD Assistance. Temporary Floatation....... Thinking of other ways to complicate my Life, And finding new ones momentarily! TIC Gary O M-17 #316A C-21 Arizona Foothills 602 943-7252 Office 602 703-7245 Mobile 800 528-8962 Toll Free www.GaryOberbeck.com "Quality is never an accident; it is always the result of high intention, sincere effort, intelligent direction and skillful execution; it represents the wise choice of many alternatives." -William A. Foster

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Re: M_Boats: cockpit drain
by Mark Pavuk 25 Apr '02

25 Apr '02

Connie, You have a way with words! :) Thanks for the suggestions. Cherri ---------- >From: Conbert H Benneck <chbenneck(a)juno.com> >To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com >Subject: Re: M_Boats: cockpit drain >Date: Thu, Apr 25, 2002, 10:22 AM > >Hi Cherri, > >This is your M15's way of saying I love you! The faster you sail, the >happier the M15 is. It's like a puppy licking your feet in gratitude! > >My solution was to build a small teak block to fit into the hole, like a >drain plug. The block has a hole for the C/B pennant. Rain in the >cockpit while at the dock can drain; but it stops the splash from the C/B >slot. > >Other solutions are to just stuff a rag in the hole: or get more weight >forward. > >Happy sailing > >Connie > >________________________________________________________________ >GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! >Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! >Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: >http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. > >_______________________________________________ >http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats

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RE: M_Boats: cockpit drain
by Steve R 25 Apr '02

25 Apr '02

You are right Tom... I should have looked at the boat first. Steve R. M-15 #119 Lexington, KY --- "Smith, Tom" <Tom.Smith(a)itron.com> wrote: >Uh, Steve, the knot is supposed to be up on the teak board and not >down where the cockpit drains. I hope that's where you have it >tied... > >Tom Smith and Jane Van Winkle >M15/345 -- Chukar >Sandpoint, Idaho

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RE: M_Boats: cockpit drain
by Smith, Tom 25 Apr '02

25 Apr '02

Uh, Steve, the knot is supposed to be up on the teak board and not down where the cockpit drains. I hope that's where you have it tied... Tom Smith and Jane Van Winkle M15/345 -- Chukar Sandpoint, Idaho -----Original Message----- From: Steve R [mailto:stever@mail.saabnet.com] Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2002 12:04 PM To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: cockpit drain In my limited experience with my M-15 (one year now!) I have not had a problem with water coming up through the drain hole. I only noticed a single spurt come up one day, that immediately drained back out. There may have been other spurts that I missed. I always go out with my wife and we sit forward, the way Jerry recommended in one of his treasured epistles. I have plowed through several motor boat wakes to see how the Monty responds, and if it would make my wife uncomfortable. The Monty did great and my wife was comfortable. We have not sailed in high winds. I have a knot in the centerboard pendant, again at Jerry's suggestion. The knot may function as a plug. If water comes in and stays in I would suggest trimming the nose down. Steve R. M-15 #119 Lexington, KY --- Howard Audsley <haudsley(a)tranquility.net> wrote: >On my older M17, I sometimes get water backflowing in, but that's more of a >factor of fore and aft balance. If crew moves to the stern, water flows >in...move the crew forward and it runs out. But the 17 drains out the stern. >I recall the 15 drains into the cb trunk or some similar fore location. > >Is this something a teak grate on the cockpit sole would solve? > >Howard > > >_______________________________________________ >http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats

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Re: M_Boats: cockpit drain
by Steve R 25 Apr '02

25 Apr '02

In my limited experience with my M-15 (one year now!) I have not had a problem with water coming up through the drain hole. I only noticed a single spurt come up one day, that immediately drained back out. There may have been other spurts that I missed. I always go out with my wife and we sit forward, the way Jerry recommended in one of his treasured epistles. I have plowed through several motor boat wakes to see how the Monty responds, and if it would make my wife uncomfortable. The Monty did great and my wife was comfortable. We have not sailed in high winds. I have a knot in the centerboard pendant, again at Jerry's suggestion. The knot may function as a plug. If water comes in and stays in I would suggest trimming the nose down. Steve R. M-15 #119 Lexington, KY --- Howard Audsley <haudsley(a)tranquility.net> wrote: >On my older M17, I sometimes get water backflowing in, but that's more of a >factor of fore and aft balance. If crew moves to the stern, water flows >in...move the crew forward and it runs out. But the 17 drains out the stern. >I recall the 15 drains into the cb trunk or some similar fore location. > >Is this something a teak grate on the cockpit sole would solve? > >Howard > > >_______________________________________________ >http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats

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Re: M_Boats: transducer position
by Conbert H Benneck 25 Apr '02

25 Apr '02

Howard, For what it's worth.... I think the problem is with the knotmeter. The transducer has a small propeller or paddlewheel sticking out in the water stream. As the boat moves, it makes the paddlewheel or propeller turn, which sends the unit a signal that tells you how fast you are going. If you leave that transducer hanging out in the air, and then drive over the road at 60 MPH, the poor transducer will be reving like crazy, hour after hour. .....and no water to lubricate the bearing. No wonder that they quit working! My recommendation would be to retract them into their housing; or if this is not possible, remove them prior to road transport (just remember to put them back in place before launching the next time!) Connie ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/.

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Re: M_Boats: (no subject)
by Conbert H Benneck 25 Apr '02

25 Apr '02

Hi Steve, To answer your questions: The teak board with the main sheet block and cam cleat is in the way for any work in the centerboard drain hole area - and that is where the leak was. So, .....board was removed for easier access to the work area. My leak was at the very aft end of the C/B slot. There was a slight misalignment between the C/B trunk and the deck/cockpit molding, so using an angled mirror I could look at the area but couldn't reach it to do any work. This meant opening up the aft end of the cockpit drain hole - where your C/B pennant emerges - to get at the leak area. With the teak board in place this an impossibility; unless you have triple jointed arms, and can work standing on your head. Nothing was cut or opened from inside the boat. All work was done in the cockpit, in the (enlarged) drain hole. That is why I said, save the cut-out pieces, you want to reinstall them when the job is done. My leak was at the joint between the C/B - hull molding, and the deck/cockpit molding; directly under the cockpit sole. Connie ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/.

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Re: M_Boats: cockpit drain
by Conbert H Benneck 25 Apr '02

25 Apr '02

Hi Cherri, This is your M15's way of saying I love you! The faster you sail, the happier the M15 is. It's like a puppy licking your feet in gratitude! My solution was to build a small teak block to fit into the hole, like a drain plug. The block has a hole for the C/B pennant. Rain in the cockpit while at the dock can drain; but it stops the splash from the C/B slot. Other solutions are to just stuff a rag in the hole: or get more weight forward. Happy sailing Connie ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/.

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