April 2002 - montgomery_boats - mailman.xmission.com

Re: M_Boats: Tongue Weight
by Sandyal55＠aol.com 01 May '02

01 May '02

In a message dated 04/29/2002 12:30:10 AM !!!First Boot!!!, chonshell(a)ia4u.net writes: > 4-cylinder Tacoma has the same towing capacity as the > 6-cylinder. I'm not an expert on Toyotas but it's possible that the 4 cyl has the same torque as the 6. Toyota's 6 has a bad rep for torque. It's a high revving motor that doesn't like being lugged. It develops it's HP at higher RPM's. The 4 has a longer stroke and develops torque at lower RPM's. The dealer should have engine specs to see before buying. Sandy

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Yard Sale
by Jslubliner＠aol.com 01 May '02

01 May '02

Just to announce that with Doug's help, I have posted a bunch of M-17 extras on the web site in the "for sale" section. I purchased a new Mylar Main and Mylar 150 this year. After looking at the pile of sailbags here at the house, I realized I have a bunch of extras in usable to reasonably decent condition which I will probably not use again. These are for a tall rig 17 and are the kind you would either use to supplement your sail locker or fill in some invenetory blanks. The two mains would be great for backups. I also have accumulated 3 outboards. Information is located on the web site, so check them out and if interested, please contact me directly. John and "Coyote" M17FD #69

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Anchoring
by Harvey Hochstetter 01 May '02

01 May '02

Connie, Thanks for the anchoring info. Pelican has a small (8#)Bruce and a heavier Danforth type, I believe it's about 12#, with chain and rode. It does not have the chocks and I do intend to get something up on the bow to prevent chafe. A couple of questions. One is good for sand, mud and weedy bottoms, one is good for rocky. Without a fishfinder type depth sounder I don't know what the bottom is made of. Would the Danforth be the best all around bet? I am thinking of getting a third anchor so I want to get what would be best for most situations. Also, I want to probably increase the weight and chain size/length as well. Considering the "West Advisors" info, I want to go up in size. Within reason, is there any problem with going to far over-size? Thanks for your response. One of the next sailing days is going to be a day of anchoring drills. Happy Sails to You Harvey & Deena H M-15 #348 Pelican Walla Walla, WA

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Re: M_Boats: Yard Sale
by Jslubliner＠aol.com 30 Apr '02

30 Apr '02

Hi, Jerry. Your boat is doing just fine. New Ullmans: mylar 150 and full batton mylar main, new halyards (wire splicing finally had gotten iffy), lots of other goodies. New lowers you made for us fit perfectly. Almost time for the San Carlos race, so gotta make a showing. In the process of getting ready for Phoenix Tall Cactus Regatta a couple of weeks ago I realized I now have 3 mains, 2 150's, a Skip Elliott 170 I never have used and two spinnakers, along with the keepers: storm jib, 110, 130 and the 3/4 oz chute. I'm keeping the purple 3/4 oz chute but the white 1/2 oz never gets out of the bag. Next time you get to Tucson, drop in and lets visit. John & Anne

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Re: M_Boats: M17 Galley Model
by GILASAILR＠aol.com 30 Apr '02

30 Apr '02

Howard, Hull #316 has the tank under the cockpit sole. The volume is undetermined. I will be removing it as soon as I find nothing better to do on that fine morning. When I have dimensions I will forward them to you. Good Sailing Gary O. M-17 #316A M-7-11 #? C-21 Arizona Foothills 602 943-7252 Office 602 703-7245 Mobile 800 528-8962 Toll Free www.GaryOberbeck.com "Quality is never an accident; it is always the result of high intention, sincere effort, intelligent direction and skillful execution; it represents the wise choice of many alternatives." -William A. Foster

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RE: M_Boats: towing "Really"
by Smith, Tom 30 Apr '02

30 Apr '02

...as opposed to Jerry's normal operating speed of 80+ with one hand on the horn and the other making gestures out the window... Tom Smith Itron Inc. Phone: 509-928-1707 ext. 248 Fax: 509-928-2581 E-mail: tom.smith(a)itron.com Website: www.linesoft.com Knowledge to Shape Your Future -----Original Message----- From: Jerry Mongomery [mailto:jmbn@innercite.com] Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2002 11:33 AM To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: towing "Really" Yeh, but Tom never gets above 30 mph! Jerry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Smith, Tom" <Tom.Smith(a)itron.com> To: <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Friday, April 26, 2002 8:19 AM Subject: RE: M_Boats: towing "Really" > We towed our M15 to the bay area two years ago for the Cruiser Challenge in Oakland with a '91 4WD Toyota. It's a 5-speed, but I kept it in 4th so as not to lug the engine. It won't leap long hills in a single bound, but if you're patient, you'll get there. > > Tom Smith and Jane Van Winkle > M15/345 -- Chukar > Sandpoint, Idaho > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: rc2222(a)postoffice.pacbell.net > [mailto:rc2222@postoffice.pacbell.net] > Sent: Friday, April 26, 2002 7:43 AM > To: Montgomery Boats > Subject: M_Boats: towing "Really" > > > Regarding manual vs. automatic on a small truck: > > How would a small truck with manual transmission perform vs one with an > automatic when towing my M15 from the San Francisco Bay area to the > Sierra Nevadas, up and down steep grades at elevations over 10,000 feet > on hot summer days? > > Purchasing a small used truck with a manual transmission is > significantly less expensive than one with an automatic. Past postings > on this list had convinced me to go with an automatic but now I'm > beginning to think otherwise. I need some good advice for mountain > towing with a small truck. > > Thanks, > > Rich Cottrell > M15 "Really" Menlo Park > > > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats

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(no subject)
by Jerry Mongomery 30 Apr '02

30 Apr '02

About a month ago I inquired on this list if there was an interest in a new centerboard for the "old" M-17, and got quite a bit of interest; looks like enuff to ppursue the matter. Interest was divided between a bronze board and a lead-filled glass board. There is no bronze foundery around here and after a quick search the closest one is in the Los Angeles area, which would mean shipping the boaards to here (Sacramento), where I would grind and drill them, then ship them to the customer. The cost would be in excess of a thousand dollars, which seems like a lot to me. A glass board with a cast lead core would be lighter (120 lbs???) and there is no good, simple way I can think of to mold in the tang which stops the board from overdropping so it would have to be supported from the hoisting line, which PROBABLY wouldn't be a problem considering the lesser weight of the board. The good side is that the board should be less than half the cost of a bronze one. Something to consider is that several (many?) of the older 17's have a problem of swelling cb trunks, probably due to water getting in and causing rust. I could help this problem by making the board about 3/4" thick instead of the original 7/8". Owners of boats not having this problem- hopefullly the great majority- could shim the boards around the pivot hole (a simple matter). If I do this project it will be either in mid-summer, when I am finished with the 23 project at Nor' Sea, or next fall sometime. Also, I need an accurate paper pattern of a board as I have no good measurements. The original foundry pattern disappeared during the bankruptcy of the iron foundry that had made the boards for many years. So if one of you pulls your cb in the next few months, please lay it on paper (newspaper is fine) and trace around it with a marker pen, not forgetting the pivot hole. Jerry

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Re: M_Boats: Yard Sale
by Jslubliner＠aol.com 30 Apr '02

30 Apr '02

Jerry? How many of the regular cabins have tall rigs. Can you answer this one for us? John

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Re: M_Boats: (no subject)
by Larry Yake 30 Apr '02

30 Apr '02

Jerry, I've got the centerboard out of my '76 M17 getting a new tang welded on, sandblasted, and primered. When I get it back in about a week, I'll make a tracing for you. Larry Y. On Mon, 29 Apr 2002 11:39:38 -0700 "Jerry Mongomery" <jmbn(a)innercite.com> writes: About a month ago I inquired on this list if there was an interest in a new centerboard for the "old" M-17, and got quite a bit of interest; looks like enuff to ppursue the matter. Interest was divided between a bronze board and a lead-filled glass board. There is no bronze foundery around here and after a quick search the closest one is in the Los Angeles area, which would mean shipping the boaards to here (Sacramento), where I would grind and drill them, then ship them to the customer. The cost would be in excess of a thousand dollars, which seems like a lot to me. A glass board with a cast lead core would be lighter (120 lbs???) and there is no good, simple way I can think of to mold in the tang which stops the board from overdropping so it would have to be supported from the hoisting line, which PROBABLY wouldn't be a problem considering the lesser weight of the board. The good side is that the board should be less than half the cost of a bronze one. Something to consider is that several (many?) of the older 17's have a problem of swelling cb trunks, probably due to water getting in and causing rust. I could help this problem by making the board about 3/4" thick instead of the original 7/8". Owners of boats not having this problem- hopefullly the great majority- could shim the boards around the pivot hole (a simple matter). If I do this project it will be either in mid-summer, when I am finished with the 23 project at Nor' Sea, or next fall sometime. Also, I need an accurate paper pattern of a board as I have no good measurements. The original foundry pattern disappeared during the bankruptcy of the iron foundry that had made the boards for many years. So if one of you pulls your cb in the next few months, please lay it on paper (newspaper is fine) and trace around it with a marker pen, not forgetting the pivot hole. Jerry

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Re: M_Boats: Things that go "Twang!"
by Conbert H Benneck 30 Apr '02

30 Apr '02

John, Come-on, do you really know any sailor that didn't tinker with his boat? There is always something that can be improved; or that needs modification; or tweaking....... That's half the fun of sailing. Connie ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/.

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