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Re: montgomery_boats digest, Vol 1 #99 - 2 msgs
by BOGO441＠aol.com 20 Feb '02

20 Feb '02

The book ("Performance Advances in Small Boat Racing") that Jerry refers to is apparently available here: http://store.mysticseaport.org/media/books/degraff/sea.author.title.html

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Re: M_Boats: Mboat info
by DDAYSTROM＠aol.com 20 Feb '02

20 Feb '02

Also check Amazon.com -al williams

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Re: M_Boats: Mboat info
by Randy Watkins 19 Feb '02

19 Feb '02

Jerry, thanks for the education, would it be o.k. to forward your explanation to the SCA magazine site? >>> jmbn(a)innercite.com 02/19/02 02:39PM >>> Hi Randy- Haven't read the discussion in SCA but regarding the 15 and 17, I have some opinions. Aside from the obvious factor of the sailplans, the two main reasons for the excellent windward ability of the 15 and 17 (and also the M-23) are hull design and keel/rudder design. Keeping things simple, the rounded hulls of both these boats keep wetted area low, which means more speed because of less drag, especially upwind because an easily-driven hull will have less leeway. Also, a round hull will be more symmetrical when heeled and therefore the helm will be affected less by heeling. Regarding the keel (I'm including the centerboard here) and rudder, the keel is not at all "hi-tech", but it is more so than most of the competition, and it IS quite effective. Rudders are pretty high-aspect, even when compared to performance boats, and provide a lot of lift to weather when the boat is tuned right. One of my "bibles" thirty-some years ago was Stewart Walker's book PERFORMANCE ADVANCES IN SMALL BOAT RACING, which discusses these things and more, and if you can find a copy you would enjoy it. Reading it kind of makes you want to go out there and mess with your boat. Published in 1969 by Norton, it's probably long out of print. Too bad. Jerry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randy Watkins" <watkins(a)odpemail.tamu.edu> To: <montgomery_boats(a)lists.xmission.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2002 11:29 AM Subject: M_Boats: Mboat info > Hello Fellow sailors, > Here are a couple of items that are of interest to Mboaters. > > 1. The Small Craft Advisor magazine has a discussion going about the M15 & M17 and pointing ability. Those of us that sail one know how well they point. If there's someone that could explain the "why" that would be beneficial to the discussion. This is great , honest magazine and well worth the cost of subscription. > > http://www.smallcraftadvisor.com/ > > > 2. Doug King has posted a story / article about Jerry M. sailing the Sea of Cortez in a M15. It's good reading and will make you want to go cruising. Doug did a great job setting the article up as it was sent to him in a scanned ( Word ) format and kind of rough around the edges. > > http://msog.org/ > > > Take care > > Randy & Greta Watkins > M15#194 > > > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats

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Available now
by Bob 19 Feb '02

19 Feb '02

We sold the other 15 and 17 and we have another Montgomery 15 available without waiting. (we keep building no matter what) If you know anyone that wants this beautiful sister ship to Vince and Sharons Himsl's M_15 let me know. Heres what she looks like: http://personal.palouse.net/vhimsl Call or email....... Fair winds Bob Montgomeryboats.com Also we are starting a new 17 hull tommorrow... (949) 489-8227

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New Owner: M15 #412 "Chimpanzee"
by John Harris 19 Feb '02

19 Feb '02

After a prolonged search I have acquired a 1988 Montgomery 15, hull number 412. #412 has had many owners. The pedigree, as near as I can reconstruct, is thus: 1. Chris Jennewein of Atlanta, Georgia purchased the boat from Montgomery Marine Products on February 29th, 1988. 2. Mr. Jennewein either sold or gave the boat to Gigi Jennewein Fenton, of Greencastle, Indiana. Date unknown. One presumes that Mrs. Fenton is related to Mr. Jennewein. 3. Eric D. Cosens of Spencer, Indiana, purchased the boat from Mrs. Fenton on July 20, 1999. 4. Randy Cameron of Indianapolis, Indiana, purchased #412 from Mr. Cosens. Date unknown. 5. I bought the boat from Mr. Cameron on February 16th (yesterday). Mr. Cameron adored the boat and was clearly loath to sell it, but his wife did not like to sail, so room had to be made in the driveway. I drove out from Annapolis and towed it home. The boat now sits in the heated shops of Chesapeake Light Craft, my boatbuilding firm, awaiting refitting. In spite of the many and various owners, the boat doesn't appear to have had a name, or if it did, the lettering has since faded from the gelcoat. I have dubbed her "Chimpanzee." I think it's a whimsical, fun, boat, so she'll have a whimsical, fun name. Also in spite of changing hands many times, Chimpanzee is in beautiful condition. The gelcoat is slightly faded but I think I'll be able to buff it back to a fine gloss. From a careful survey, I'd say that the boat never was allowed to sit with rainwater or leaves in it; the topsides and interior are exceptionally clean. I had never seen a Montgomery 15 up close. To those who might be deterred by the expense of one, new or used, I would say: you're getting what you pay for. I have rarely seen such clean mold work, such thorough attention to construction detail. The design and fabrication is amazingly well thought out. The acquisition of the M15 brings the count of my personal fleet of small sailing boats to 9. Yes, I'm seriously addicted to small boats. The other eight boats range from 8-foot sailing prams to a 20-foot Pacific Proa. I owned a Ranger 23 for a time, and I've done some lengthy cruising in boats up to 45 feet. But while many sailors keep moving up in size, over the years I keep trying to find smaller boats with big cruising capability. Readers of this mailing list will understand, I'm sure. I have no plans for exploits in Chimpanzee. For the near future, I will thoroughly refit the boat, then take it to Rock Hall, Maryland, where it will live at the Rock Hall Yacht Club. They are installing a boat lift there. I'll be able to leave Chimp rigged and ready to go, to be plucked from its trailer by the lift and launched on impulse for daysailing and weekending in the Upper Bay. While I could rig the boat and go sailing in 15 minutes, I do plan to do some refitting: 1. I'll polish the gelcoat. 2. I'll lift the boat with the company forklift to remove and refinish the centerboard and refair the keel. 3. Renew the teak, and build new teak drop-boards for the companionway (they disappeared somewhere in the litany of owners, to be replaced by an ugly piece of plywood). 4. I've ordered new sails from Ulmer Kolius in Annapolis (I'm a longtime dinghy racer, and you know how we dinghy racers are about sails). 5. Install all new running and standing rigging, including Harken roller furling. 6. I will change out the horrid plastic jam cleats and fairleads for proper blocks and cam cleats. The jam cleats and so forth appear to be "stock" from the factory. I'll be retrofitting cleaner systems: liberally sprinkling the decks with bits of Harken, much more to my dinghy-racing tastes. 7. Install a watertight Lewmar hatch in the foredeck. While I like to sail mostly in the Fall, Winter, and Spring on the Chesapeake, the 8" x 8" screened hatch will take the edge off of hot and humid nights in August. What a nice community the Montgomery owners enjoy, and I'm pleased to make your acquaintance. Cheers, John C. Harris Chesapeake Light Craft The Best Boats You Can Build http://www.clcboats.com

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RE: M_Boats: New Owner: M15 #412 "Chimpanzee"
by Tom Smith 19 Feb '02

19 Feb '02

John, I'd be curious to know what your deck plan is and what hardware you are thinking of using...a dingy racer's perspective would be interesting... Tom Smith and Jane Van Winkle M15/345 -- Chukar Sandpoint, Idaho -----Original Message----- From: John Harris [mailto:john@clcboats.com] Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2002 10:03 AM To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: M_Boats: New Owner: M15 #412 "Chimpanzee" After a prolonged search I have acquired a 1988 Montgomery 15, hull number 412. #412 has had many owners. The pedigree, as near as I can reconstruct, is thus: 1. Chris Jennewein of Atlanta, Georgia purchased the boat from Montgomery Marine Products on February 29th, 1988. 2. Mr. Jennewein either sold or gave the boat to Gigi Jennewein Fenton, of Greencastle, Indiana. Date unknown. One presumes that Mrs. Fenton is related to Mr. Jennewein. 3. Eric D. Cosens of Spencer, Indiana, purchased the boat from Mrs. Fenton on July 20, 1999. 4. Randy Cameron of Indianapolis, Indiana, purchased #412 from Mr. Cosens. Date unknown. 5. I bought the boat from Mr. Cameron on February 16th (yesterday). Mr. Cameron adored the boat and was clearly loath to sell it, but his wife did not like to sail, so room had to be made in the driveway. I drove out from Annapolis and towed it home. The boat now sits in the heated shops of Chesapeake Light Craft, my boatbuilding firm, awaiting refitting. In spite of the many and various owners, the boat doesn't appear to have had a name, or if it did, the lettering has since faded from the gelcoat. I have dubbed her "Chimpanzee." I think it's a whimsical, fun, boat, so she'll have a whimsical, fun name. Also in spite of changing hands many times, Chimpanzee is in beautiful condition. The gelcoat is slightly faded but I think I'll be able to buff it back to a fine gloss. From a careful survey, I'd say that the boat never was allowed to sit with rainwater or leaves in it; the topsides and interior are exceptionally clean. I had never seen a Montgomery 15 up close. To those who might be deterred by the expense of one, new or used, I would say: you're getting what you pay for. I have rarely seen such clean mold work, such thorough attention to construction detail. The design and fabrication is amazingly well thought out. The acquisition of the M15 brings the count of my personal fleet of small sailing boats to 9. Yes, I'm seriously addicted to small boats. The other eight boats range from 8-foot sailing prams to a 20-foot Pacific Proa. I owned a Ranger 23 for a time, and I've done some lengthy cruising in boats up to 45 feet. But while many sailors keep moving up in size, over the years I keep trying to find smaller boats with big cruising capability. Readers of this mailing list will understand, I'm sure. I have no plans for exploits in Chimpanzee. For the near future, I will thoroughly refit the boat, then take it to Rock Hall, Maryland, where it will live at the Rock Hall Yacht Club. They are installing a boat lift there. I'll be able to leave Chimp rigged and ready to go, to be plucked from its trailer by the lift and launched on impulse for daysailing and weekending in the Upper Bay. While I could rig the boat and go sailing in 15 minutes, I do plan to do some refitting: 1. I'll polish the gelcoat. 2. I'll lift the boat with the company forklift to remove and refinish the centerboard and refair the keel. 3. Renew the teak, and build new teak drop-boards for the companionway (they disappeared somewhere in the litany of owners, to be replaced by an ugly piece of plywood). 4. I've ordered new sails from Ulmer Kolius in Annapolis (I'm a longtime dinghy racer, and you know how we dinghy racers are about sails). 5. Install all new running and standing rigging, including Harken roller furling. 6. I will change out the horrid plastic jam cleats and fairleads for proper blocks and cam cleats. The jam cleats and so forth appear to be "stock" from the factory. I'll be retrofitting cleaner systems: liberally sprinkling the decks with bits of Harken, much more to my dinghy-racing tastes. 7. Install a watertight Lewmar hatch in the foredeck. While I like to sail mostly in the Fall, Winter, and Spring on the Chesapeake, the 8" x 8" screened hatch will take the edge off of hot and humid nights in August. What a nice community the Montgomery owners enjoy, and I'm pleased to make your acquaintance. Cheers, John C. Harris Chesapeake Light Craft The Best Boats You Can Build http://www.clcboats.com <http://www.clcboats.com>

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Nor'Sea 27 Fest in the Bay Area
by Bob 18 Feb '02

18 Feb '02

A new 2002 Nor'Sea 27 will be at..... The Annual Nor'Sea 27 Fest at the Oakland Yacht Club April 20th. (on a Saturday) Every year Nor'Sea owners converge at the Oakland Yacht club for a Nor'Sea fest. Nor'Seas come in from all over, some are already at the marina (6) and people fly in to see and talk Nor'Sea. We have a great dinner and drinks at the Yacht club. I know some of you who live in the Bay Area had asked where to see a Nor'Sea 27. We have just finished a brand new 2002 model that will be on display at Nor'Sea 27 Fest 2002. This boat was ordered in September and just finished a couple of days ago. The Surveyor said he had never seen a better built boat but I did have to buy him lunch. :-) This year we have many improvements (if you have been following the boat over the years) including: New fuel tank set-up. Water tanks are now removable and have nice clean out ports on them. A 3 switch master DC system for the new group 31 batterys. The Rudder seam is now epoxyed all the way around. The area where the bottom rudder gudgeon bolts up is now a solid fiberglass area instead of a hollow area. So if any of you would like to attend this Nor'Sea party let me know and we can make arrangements for the dinner/hotel information. It runs concurrent with Pacific Sail Expo, at Jack london Square and we plan on having a M_boat in the show like we did last year. My oldest son Mike will be working the show during the Nor'Sea fest across the channel. (8 minutes away from the show) Fair Winds Bob (949) 489-8227

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Montgomery 23 Offshore Cutter update.
by Bob 18 Feb '02

18 Feb '02

Jerry and I have completed removing the new deck mold from the plug and it looks great! We welded up a pipe frame that reinforces the mold and then welded on the wheels upside down. Using our hoist we lifted the mold from the plug. It came off after about 15 minutes of placing wedges around the perimeter of the deck. we have already wet sanded and polished the front half. Looks great and is polished to a mirror finish. Can't wait to spray the new deck and lay it up. All three hatch molds have been polished, sprayed and laid up. I will 'pull' them this afternoon. We had to do a new centerboard plug because the one we did earlier wouldn't work for the foundry we delivered it too. Seems there going to sand cast it as a loose part and it will be made of BRONZE. Very heavy but will keep the 23 stiff and weatherly. Jerry went off hunting pig in Arizona (i think he left this morning) after spending the weekend back in Sacramento. He will return March 4th and we expect to lay the deck up and get some photos for the 23 website over to Doug. Fair winds Bob Montgomeryboats.com (949) 489-8227

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RE: M_Boats: New Owner: M15 #412 "Chimpanzee"
by Morris, Giles 18 Feb '02

18 Feb '02

>After a prolonged search I have acquired a 1988 Montgomery 15, hull number 412 >Chesapeake Light Craft, my boatbuilding firm I hope John won't mind my mentioning that Chesapeake Light Craft ( http://www.clcboats.com/) is <http://www.clcboats.com/) is> very well thought of in the small (as in kayak and small rowing/sailing craft) world. And, to me, the M-15 is an excellent boat for somebody who enjoys other small boats (kayaks, in my case). Giles Morris Vancouver 25 "Dolphin" Montgomery 15 "Umiaq" Sundry small craft

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Re: M_Boats: Mainsheet traveler
by Larry Yake 18 Feb '02

18 Feb '02

Thanks Jerry, I really appreciate the input. Larry On Sun, 17 Feb 2002 14:40:56 -0800 "Jerry Mongomery" <jmbn(a)innercite.com> writes: Hi Larry- the later location (further back) is an improvement. I don't remember the measurement offhand, but the idea is to put the traveller between the skipper and the crew. Jerry ----- Original Message ----- From: Larry Yake To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2002 7:02 PM Subject: M_Boats: Mainsheet traveler I plan on replacing the mainsheet traveler on my M17 with a roller bearing model complete with control lines, blocks, etc. for windward sheeting under load. My boat is a 1976 model with mid-boom sheeting and the existing traveler is clear forward on the cockpit floor right behind the main hatch. I see on the newer models the traveler and boom attachment are a couple feet further back. This looks like a handier arrangement for being able to make adjustments while at the tiller without having to reach forward through your passengers legs (although they may be shapely ones). I'm thinking I will change my boat to this set-up unless there are good reasons not to. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks, Larry Y. M17 #200 Tullamore

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