November 2002 - montgomery_boats - mailman.xmission.com

outboard weight
by Jerry Duke 05 Nov '02

05 Nov '02

Hello All, I'm wondering if it's ok to tow bouncing down the road with the outboard mounted to the transom. I have a Sea Gull model 90 wich weighs about 55lbs Jerry, M17 #333 -- JD

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outboard weight
by Harvey Wilson 05 Nov '02

05 Nov '02

>> I have a Sea Gull model 90 wich weighs about 55lbs Jerry, M17 #333,, Another M-17 with a Seagull attached !! I've towed Stargazer from Florida to Atlanta, then a round trip to Marysville, Tenn with the 8hp Evinrude mounted. Finally sold the 'Rude and put on a Seagull. I've used a 3hp 1992 M-55, and the latest purchase, a 1980 M-90. Harvey/ Ga M-17 Stargazer #294

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Re: M_Boats: gimballed stove alternative?
by IDCLLC＠aol.com 05 Nov '02

05 Nov '02

For what it's worth, I have a butane/propane backpacking stove from MSR that gives outstanding performance. With an additional accessory, it can be hung from a boom, tree limb, etc. (it's actually for big wall climbing!) In any case, the stove is suspended via four cables which effectively hold pots or fry pans in place, as well as a high performing windscreen. I prefer to cook with it in this arangement, rather than on the ground or deck-no way to tip it over! It's probably equal to any conditions you'd care to cook in. I got it from REI (rei.com) for about $100. Steve Tyree, P-15 #2098 "Amy Ann"

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"do-it-yourself" portable gimballed stove?
by Honshells 05 Nov '02

05 Nov '02

So now I'm thinking about a "gimbal in a box" for a one-burner stove . . . But then I can see having to make the base bigger, ala Tod . . . Could get way too awkward . . . I don't like the pot size restrictions on the Forespar (had the bulkhead mount model on the Flicka) . . . I also want the flexibility to cook in the cabin or the cockpit . . . ----- Original Message ----- From: "Honshells" <chonshell(a)ia4u.net> To: <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Sunday, November 03, 2002 10:06 PM Subject: "do-it-yourself" portable gimballed stove? Ahhhh . . . Hadn't thought about differences in weight for whatever set on the burners . . . I think you just posed an insurmountable complication . . . I wonder how gimbaled stoves work on big boats? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stanley Winarski" <winarski(a)cox.net> To: <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Sunday, November 03, 2002 9:36 PM Subject: "do-it-yourself" portable gimballed stove? Not only would it be big - but while it might be relatively easy to make a gimbal for a compass or even a one burner stove, think of the complications to adjust the balance or a pot of coffee on one burner and a pot of stew on the other - then help yourself to a cup of coffee while waiting for the stew to get hot enough (readjusting the gimbal) then stirring the stew and having the coffee in the pot start its own sloshing about - If you get one built, you really will deserve a patent on it. Stan

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"do-it-yourself" portable gimballed stove? p.s.
by Honshells 05 Nov '02

05 Nov '02

I'm dying to know what's in the pot . . . Are those mussels? Looks great! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Honshells" <chonshell(a)ia4u.net> To: <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 9:05 PM Subject: "do-it-yourself" portable gimballed stove? Your setup looks very simple and practical, Tod. Our Flicka's Forespar is mounted so close to the bulkhead that only the smallest pots fit. The stove also has an aluminum "ring" that holds the pot in place and the ring restricts the pot size even more than the bulkhead clearance. I think the previous owner installed the Forespar solely to heat soup or coffee underway: I'm sure he used the fixed two-burner alcohol stove, while at anchor, for anything more ambitious. ----- Original Message ----- From: <htmills(a)bright.net> To: ">Mboats<" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 7:39 PM Subject: "do-it-yourself" portable gimballed stove? I don't like the pot size restrictions on the Forespar (had the bulkhead mount model on the Flicka) Ah, I was wondering about that, Craig.......I thought it odd that it came with pots (and optional percolator & tea pot) unless it was because typical pots might not fit. I have a pot that I really like because it has a very thick bottom, making it harder to scorch food.... For some reason I've always cooked with the stove on the cabin floor. I only tried out in the cockpit once or twice but find myself returning to the cabin. The propane stove sits pretty high: http://www.trailersailor.com/uploads/r03-01small.jpg putting the top of the pan nearly as high as the companionway. Tod

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LED light website
by Sandyal55＠aol.com 05 Nov '02

05 Nov '02

A while back, one of the members sent a website where you could buy LED lights for boats. Due a major brain fade in the old HP and a new Dell, I have lost all my websites. Could someone send the site please. Sandy

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Re: M_Boats: gimballed stove alternative?
by Conbert H Benneck 05 Nov '02

05 Nov '02

Hi Tod, To answer your question on gimbaled stoves: On my NE-38 I had a gimbaled four burner stove with oven. The pivot point was at about the level of the top burners, so the whole lower portion was the "weight" keeping the stove level. The top burners had a railing to keep pots and pans in place, and if things really got rough, there were clamps that fastened to the rails to enclose the pot or kettle and keep them in place. This is all well and good in a 38 footer with a full galley; but in an M17 ........? My solution, that has been refined from the MICRO to the ComPac16 to the M15, is a low single burner propane stove. It's only use is cooking at anchor or at the dock. I wouldn't think of cooking in a seaway in an M15. On our Tripp-Lentsch 29, when the weather deteriorated, the first thing the Admirable did was head for the galley and cook up some "proper" bad weather food. I've sat at the tiller in oilskins with salt water from the bow hitting me in the face eating tuna fish pancakes with spinach. She came up with some marvelous meals.............! We often said, we ought to write a cook book about on board cooking, the trouble is, all the cooking is based on what's availble in the galley at the moment. It is an artfull creation based on available ingredients. How can you start a recept: take the leftover bluefish from yesterday's lunch and, ..........? It's culinary art: make do with what you have.....! I have to chuckle - forgive me Scott - about the fear of using propane on board. When we sailed in Europe, European boats had diesel engine and propane stoves (no warning systems or automatic shut-off valves). My Tripp-Lentsch had a Universal gasoline engine and an alcohol stove. The European were horrified: GASOLINE how dangerous!!!!!! When I pointed out that they were cooking and heating with propane, they just shrugged their shoulders. That's the way European boats are built! So it boils down to knowing, - and respecting - the devil you live with; be it gasoline; or propane, both are equally dangerous! Connie

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Re: M_Boats: Stoves and the big bang
by Conbert H Benneck 05 Nov '02

05 Nov '02

Tod, God didn't build the Origo stove: man did. If the sharp edges bother you, take a smooth file and round off the edges till they are the way you like them. Remember sailor's motto No. 1. If you don't like it, modify it or change it to suit your tastes. This law allows you to drill holes; add hardware; change what you don't like: in short adapt the boat to your desires and needs - you don't have to live with what someone else thinks is ideal. After all, it's your boat! Amen Connie

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Stoves and the big bang
by Wilsometer＠aol.com 05 Nov '02

05 Nov '02

Hi group, At the risk of sounding like a broken record, I would like to share my success/happiness with the Origo absorption-type alcohol stove (I have the single burner model #1500). I can just hear the collective sighs of those who fought with the earlier generations of pressurized alcohol stoves--some probably still missing eye brows. Well, the absorption stoves are *much* safer, and I would argue almost as easy to use as propane. This new generation of stove utilizes a round stainless canister packed with a wool-like substance that absorbs all of the alcohol poured into it. When properly filled, this canister will not spill. The stove is all stainless, has one moving part (a shutter door that opens and closes the aperture to the fuel canister), has an adjustable flame (yes you can simmer), and has been rated the safest of all stoves for marine use. We have used this stove now for about four years with complete satisfaction (including three week trips). Indeed, there is nothing to rebuild, clean, se rvice, or replace. We get about six or seven hours use per quart of alcohol (at full burn). I added the optional pot holders, and have found them to be more than satisfactory in keeping the pot on the stove while under way or at anchor (I tend not to cook/heat water while under way. We heat water while still at anchor in the morning, and fill a high quality thermos for use during the day). I have been witness to two boat explosions--one in San Francisco caused by leaking propane that blew the entire deck off the hull, and another in British Columbia caused by gasoline in the bilge. The owners survived, but the boats in both cases were a total loss. I personally won't have propane on a boat, and I don't think cooking with white gas on a boat is such a good idea either. Keep in mind that on the M15, the cockpit drain does not provide a means of egress for errant gas vapors/fumes (drains into centerboard trunk filled with water), so even cooking in the cockpit could be potentially dangerous. I am aware that the overwhelming weight of opinion is against me, and that propane has become the fuel of choice for purposes of convenience. I am also aware that there are 'sniffers' and safety solenoid valves, etc. I am sure these represent an improvement in safety, but at the cost of added complexity. I am frustrated that so few people are aware of what I feel is a much better alternative. Try one of the Origo's, you'll like it. Scott Grometer, M15 #478 'bebe'

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Re: M_Boats: N-27
by Sandyal55＠aol.com 05 Nov '02

05 Nov '02

In a message dated 10/29/2002 10:52:51 AM US Mountain Standard Time, stever(a)mail.saabnet.com writes: > dreaming about a 27. > > Nice to know she may be towed cross country with a small V-8. > A boat that weighs 10,000 lbs on a trailer cannot be towed with a small V8. A 1 ton dually with a diesel is the minimum truck for the job.

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