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mast step sealer
by Jerry Duke 15 Nov '02

15 Nov '02

I have a small leak at the mast step and was wondering if it is sufficiant to reseal under it with silicone caulking or should I use some other product. Thanks for any info anyone has. Jerry M17 333 Mystic -- JD

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Re: M_Boats: mast step sealer
by Sandyal55＠aol.com 14 Nov '02

14 Nov '02

In a message dated 11/13/2002 6:18:46 PM US Mountain Standard Time, jrduke1(a)dslextreme.com writes: > reseal under it with silicone caulking or should I use > some other product. > Use boatlife caulk. Silicone shrinks after a few years and leaks again.

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Re: M_Boats: Twin staysails
by Doug King 11 Nov '02

11 Nov '02

As long as we're talking about interesting sails, how about interesting sail materials, not to mention cheap: Tyvek, the 10' wide super-strong stuff they wrap new houses in. http://www.boat-links.com/Tyvek/ has info on how to do it, and you can often get it free. He uses it for his sails and talks about a 40-footer with 300+ sq. ft. sails of Tyvek. I also referred a friend's brother to this and he has made sails for a homemade dinghy, which might be considered the world's cheapest boat. Don't know how they're working out yet. At the least, it may be good for dinghies, practicing sailcutting or as a quick replacement. And if it blows out, you're only out a couple of bucks. Start saving those FedEx envelopes. Of course, you'd wanna change your boat's name to "Tyvek" to match the sails, but DuPont might pay you for it. ;) Interesting idea, anyway. Doug King At , you wrote: >Hi, Doug > >Quite a while back someone on the Oar Club bulletin board described some >light-air sails he made: he took a used spinnaker and folded it down the >center >and sewed a low-stretch line into the "crease". Then he can fly it on a >broad reach >as a jib with the two clews doubled together and the line forming the head >and tack >or on a run with the sail opened up like twin jibs. > >If I recall correctly, he did have to do a little finagling to get the line >to fit so the sail >actually hung nicely. > > > >With a little hunting, used spinnakers can be had for pretty cheaply. > >Tod > > >_______________________________________________ >http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats

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Re: M_Boats: M-17 centerboard renovation advice
by Woodsybill＠aol.com 11 Nov '02

11 Nov '02

Mark, thanks again for advice re.stop pin. I will have boat hoisted off trailer in late November. Can't wait to see how everything works. So have a great Thanksgiving, Bill K

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Re: M_Boats: M-17 centerboard renovation advice
by Woodsybill＠aol.com 10 Nov '02

10 Nov '02

Mark, thanks again for your prompt reply and advice. Do you think it possible to locate pin through fiberglass layer by using one of these small magnetic stud finders, or is it vaguely visibile? Bill Klein

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Twin staysails
by Doug Kelch 10 Nov '02

10 Nov '02

I was able to test my twin jibs on my M15 used as staysails for self steering down wind. This is anticipation of a trip to the Dry Tortugas. When I had my new jib made (2000) I had the sailmaker offset the hanks from the old jib so I could rig them on the same stay. If I rigged them on the forstay I thought it would impede visibility too much so I lashed a block about 2 ft above the shrouds and put in a halyard. Of course this is an experiment only as I could no longer raise the main. I tied a 15 ft line in a loop through the head of the two sails and threaded the line down through all of the hanks, through the eye forward of the forestay and back through the tack of both sails. This would give a two part purchase when raising the flying sails. The whole contraption has to be raised "flying" without using the forestay. So I arranged the sail around the forestay and put up both poles and tied the two sheets off to the tiller, somewhat loosely so it didn't interfere with raising the sail. Raising the sail this way sort of worked. I have no topping lift lines on the poles so they were both in the water with part of the sail and one pole came out at sail end while I raised the sail. The boat came broadside to the wind with no ill effects. Good thing the winds were light. The self steering aspects worked very well. The boat wandered about 20 deg but with the light winds and powerboat wakes I couldn't tell what was going on. I consider them a success but the sail area of the two jibs is quite small and I will need bigger staysails for light air. Thanks, Doug Kelch "Seas the Day" M15 #310 __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive greatest hits videos http://launch.yahoo.com/u2

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Re: M_Boats: M-17 centerboard renovation advice
by Woodsybill＠aol.com 10 Nov '02

10 Nov '02

Dear Mark, thanks for the great advice. I did not know about the retaining pin at lower rear of keel trunk but should have suspected it since something had to stop centerboard from bottoming out. Can the stop pin be driven out from either direction? I hope you don't mind if on occasion I bother you with more questions. Thanks again for now. Bill K.

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New Rigging Service: Jerry Montgomery Rigging!
by Doug King 10 Nov '02

10 Nov '02

Just thought I'd mention (if you didn't hear already) that Jerry Montgomery has officially opened a rigging business. This is the listing in the MSOG Bucket O' Links List. I'll be replacing much or all of my standing rigging wire, a couple of turnbuckles, and adding a backstay release this winter and hope Jerry will do it. I figure he'd probably do a pretty good job. ;) Rigging - Jerry Montgomery Rigging Rigging services and parts from the original builder of Montgomery Marine Products. Rigging for most sailboats, including all of the Montgomery boats, for all types of sailing. Standing and running rigging, vangs, preventers, backstay adjusters, just about anything you need in rigging, Jerry Montgomery can do it. www.innercite.com/~jmbn

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M-17 centerboard renovation advice
by Woodsybill＠aol.com 09 Nov '02

09 Nov '02

I would really appreciate advice from some M-17 owner who has removed the centerboard from a M-17, inspected and/or renovated it and relaced it. I hope to remove the centerboard from my M-17 ( #55) in late November of this year for renovation, having never done it before. The situation is this: the boat is 27 years old and as far as I know, the centerboard has never been removed or restored. I jacked the boat above the trailer far enough for me to lower the centerboard and examine the lower 5-inches. It appears the cast iron centerboard was coated with an epoxy that had flaked off the bottom 2-inches and exposed the bare metal. It was rusty but did not appear to be in really bad shape. The important thing here is that I was able to lower and raise the centerboard with normal effort; in other words, it was not stuck in the the keel trunk, as noted by other M-17 owners. Later this month, I will have the boat hoisted off the trailer and placed on stands, high enough to lower the board to it's maximum extension, assumed to be 21-inches below the keel, according to manufactures specifications. Once this is done, I'm not sure what to expect; therefore, the following questions: 1. How high should the hull be raised to remove centerboard? Is 21-inches sufficient or something more or less? 2. By removing the pivot bolt, will the centerboard drop free? If so, should the centerboard be supported while removing the bolt? It weighs 100 pounds. 3. Are there any other obstructions to dropping and removing the centerboard? 4. How is the pendant ( line used to lower and raise centerboard in cabin) attached to the centerboard? 5. Are there any other procedures/problems that I should know about? Once board is removed, and not having any other experience, I plan to follow the instructions outlined in the Interlux VC Boater's Painting Guide: sandblasting, fairing rough areas with epoxy putty and then multiple coats of Interlux 2000E/2001E. At this time, this is the best I can do with questions. I will be extremely grateful for any and all advice. Bill K. (woodsybill(a)aol.com)

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LED lights
by Saltm17＠aol.com 09 Nov '02

09 Nov '02

Has anyone had any experience using the LEDs as cabin lights? I'm thinking of buying one but not sure how well they function as a cabin light. John Edwards Miss T M17 #3 72

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