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by Joe Kidd 05 Jan '02

05 Jan '02

----- Original Message ----- From: <security(a)yosemite.net> To: <jmbn(a)innercite.com> Cc: <jk(a)yosemite.net> Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 5:28 PM Subject: Yosemite Network Security Report > > RAV AntiVirus for Linux i686 version: 8.3.1 (snapshot-20011106) > Copyright (c) 1996-2001 GeCAD The Software Company. All rights reserved. > 23 more days to evaluate. > Running on host: yosemite.net > > Yosemite Network Security intercepted a virus-infected message: > > From: jmbn(a)innercite.com > To: jk(a)yosemite.net, > Subject: Re: Re: M_Boats: First test sail - guess I'll be buying a centerboard > > The message contained Win32/Badtrans.B@mm virus in > (part0001:New_Napster_Site.MP3.pif): > Cannot clean this file. > The file was successfully deleted. > > Scan engine 8.5 for i386. > Last update: Fri Jan 4 09:04:01 2002 > Scanning for 64668 malwares (viruses, trojans and worms). > > To get a free 60-days evaluation version of RAV AntiVirus v8 > (yet fully functional) please visit: > > http://www.ravantivirus.com > >

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Re: M_Boats: First test sail - guess I'll be buying a centerboard
by IDCLLC＠aol.com 04 Jan '02

04 Jan '02

In a message dated 1/3/02 8:37:46 PM Central Standard Time, htmills(a)bright.net writes: > A little known trick when racing your M15 is this: > > get the crew to wrap their lips around the drain (takes some practice) > and have them blow gently. This introduces air bubbles to the flow > thus reducing drag. conservative estimates range from 1 to 2 percent > increase in speed. > > > I'm getting visions of top-secret air pumps hidden below, one way valves, variable electronic control..... Steve Tyree

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Re: M_Boats: First test sail - guess I'll be buying a centerboard
by IDCLLC＠aol.com 04 Jan '02

04 Jan '02

In a message dated 1/3/02 8:26:43 PM Central Standard Time, doug_kelch(a)yahoo.com writes: > If I were to do any serious offshore > work in an M15 I would put in transom drains. The > transom outer hull and the inner wall of the cockpit > has a gap of about 1 inch. Super. A 1" gap can be easily accommodated by most thru-hull drains. And yes, I do have eventual offshore aspirations, although my current circumstances preclude it. Where there's a will, there's a way! Fair Winds, Steve Tyree, P-15 "Amy Ann"

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Re: M_Boats: First test sail - guess I'll be buying a centerboard
by IDCLLC＠aol.com 04 Jan '02

04 Jan '02

Stan, Thanks for the info on the cockpit drains. No need to dig up info on the 100 mph tape, although it does sound like useful stuff. Cheers Steve Tyree P-15

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Re: M_Boats: First test sail - guess I'll be buying a centerboard- M15 drain
by IDCLLC＠aol.com 04 Jan '02

04 Jan '02

In a message dated 1/3/02 1:49:58 PM Central Standard Time, watkins(a)odpemail.tamu.edu writes: > If you're in Texas anytime let me know and I'll be glad to take you out on > my M15. > > Thanks for the info and the invite! I'd be delighted to host you as well. Steve Tyree

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Re: M_Boats: Positive Floatation
by Steve_McClellan＠hmco.com 04 Jan '02

04 Jan '02

Randy, thanks for the tip: Ted's Sailing Page does have some very helpful contributions to the discussion of floatation. (see http://sites.netscape.net/tedsailingpage/Floatation.html) Specifically, it is very helpful to know that fiberglass weighs 125 lbs per cubic foot. Using Ted's method of calculation, a fully swamped M15 would displace about 3.8 cubic feet all by itself, without any added foam. However -- the brochure states that "We also core the V-berth section of the liner with foam so that it's strong yet light." In addition, the balsa-cored decks need to be taken into account. So the swamped M-15 unquestionably will displace even more than that 3.8 cu/ft of fiberglass. But how much more? I'm willing to chalk up small unknown amounts of displacement, such as the balsa deck cores, to extra reserve boyancy and leave them out of the calculations. But what about the alleged foam-cored V-berth area? Does anyone have the slightest idea how much volume of foam we might be talking about? How thick is it? and how much of the hull liner is constructed in this way? Also, does anyone know: were all the M15s built with that foam cored hull liner? (I have already found other claims in the brochure which do not seem to apply to my #152, such as the alleged "cavernous" port cockpit locker.) Steve M15 #152

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Re: M_Boats: First test sail - guess I'll be buying a centerboard
by IDCLLC＠aol.com 04 Jan '02

04 Jan '02

In a message dated 1/2/02 5:19:49 PM Central Standard Time, winarski(a)home.com writes: > The cockpit drains into the centerboard housing. Flushing with lots of > water while the centerboard is down should eventually get ride of any > accumulation of mud trapped in the box shaped housing through which the > drain flows. Once your remove your centerboard you could get at the > underside of the drain. It isn't a big opening and it can get partially > blocked. Inside the cabin, the bilge does not drain. What you are > finding is probably the accumulation of years of dirt - or the grunge > deposited through a leak at the backside of the cockpit drain housing. > Slapping some fiberglass (or 1,000MPH tape) around the back of that box > should stop the leak. A mirror will help you analyze what is going on > back there. > > I'm surprised the cockpit doesn't drain through the transom on M-15s. In your opinion, is the drain big enough for rough water sailing? IYO, is it feasible to install transom drains for the cockpit and bilge? I think I'm becoming ill with desire to see an M-15 firsthand. Is there anyone out there within 100 miles of Nashville, TN who owns one? Incidentally, what on earth is 1000mph tape? It sounds awefully fast! Steve Tyree, P-15 #2098 "Amy Ann"

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Re: M_Boats: First test sail - guess I'll be buying a centerboard- M15 drain
by Randy Watkins 03 Jan '02

03 Jan '02

M15 draining- Steve the M15 drains fast unless something is clogging the drain. I haven't taken a wave into the cockpit but think it would drain adequately. When I wash the boat out I put a garden hose in a full force and the drain keeps up. comparison to the P15 drain- it's a bit different, if I remember how my P15 was set up it drained out the rear transom through a ½" line. That set up worked pretty well and the M15 works well as it's designed to also. If you're in Texas anytime let me know and I'll be glad to take you out on my M15. Regards, Randy Watkins >>> IDCLLC(a)aol.com 01/03/02 08:02AM >>> In a message dated 1/2/02 5:19:49 PM Central Standard Time, winarski(a)home.com writes: > The cockpit drains into the centerboard housing. Flushing with lots of > water while the centerboard is down should eventually get ride of any > accumulation of mud trapped in the box shaped housing through which the > drain flows. Once your remove your centerboard you could get at the > underside of the drain. It isn't a big opening and it can get partially > blocked. Inside the cabin, the bilge does not drain. What you are > finding is probably the accumulation of years of dirt - or the grunge > deposited through a leak at the backside of the cockpit drain housing. > Slapping some fiberglass (or 1,000MPH tape) around the back of that box > should stop the leak. A mirror will help you analyze what is going on > back there. > > I'm surprised the cockpit doesn't drain through the transom on M-15s. In your opinion, is the drain big enough for rough water sailing? IYO, is it feasible to install transom drains for the cockpit and bilge? I think I'm becoming ill with desire to see an M-15 firsthand. Is there anyone out there within 100 miles of Nashville, TN who owns one? Incidentally, what on earth is 1000mph tape? It sounds awefully fast! Steve Tyree, P-15 #2098 "Amy Ann"

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RE: M_Boats: First test sail - guess I'll be buying a centerboard
by Morris, Giles 03 Jan '02

03 Jan '02

>The centerboard now pivots on a stainless steel eye imbedded in >the fiberglass which Doh! (Slaps forehead) I wish I'd thought of that. Giles Morris Arlington VA Vancouver 25 #002 "Dolphin" Montgomery 15 #264 "Umiaq" Sundry kayaks

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sail locker modification
by Steve_McClellan＠hmco.com 03 Jan '02

03 Jan '02

Thanks Connie! You are a bottomless font of useful info! I definitely won't be trying the cockpit locker modification until next year at the earliest, although I desperately need it. I have as yet NO experience in fiberglass or gelcoat working and don't want that to be the project I learn on. Would you (or anyone else out there) have a suggestion for a minor, perhaps less visible fiberglass/gelcoat modification that would make a good starter project for us neophytes? Steve M15 #152 Conbert H Benneck <chbenneck(a)juno.com>@mailman.xmission.com on 01/02/2002 05:36:33 PM Please respond to montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Sent by: montgomery_boats-admin(a)mailman.xmission.com To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com cc: Subject: Re: M_Boats: First test sail - guess I'll be buying a centerboard Steve, I have the same bulkhead that you see. It keeps thing in place in the sail locker. This bulkhead - about 1 foot high is located on both sides of the boat. My port sail locker, however, has a wall on the inside side, i.e., going from the side of the cockpit seat wall to the bottom of the hull. This keeps thing in the sail locker from rolling under the cockpit sole, and disappearing forever! Now that I cut out the starboard side shallow locker, there is no wall down there. All that is located there are the styrofoam flotation logs. So, the new storage area is only good for large, easily reached and grabbed objects; which is why I have my Bimini, my extra cushions, boarding ladder, etc. stored there. Incidentally, I drilled holes on each end of the shallow locker; threaded about an 1/8th inch line through the holes, put on a piece of plastic tubing as a handle, and tied off the lines on the outside of the shallow locker. This way, I have readily accessible handles for lifting out the locker when I wan to get at the "goodies" that are stored underneath. If you are thinking of doing this modification, let me know and I'll give you more detailed instructions on how I did it. No sense of reinventing the wheel! Connie ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats

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